If Pak withdraws support to us, war will be fought there: Salahudin

[livingdead]

India needs to execute this dickw***. Enough of Pakistan's blood has been shed for these ungrateful pigs.

Negotiated settlement which is acceptable to all the three parties is the only way out. killing terrorists is only firefighting, wont achieve long term peace.

 

[DGMO]

i dont think Kashmir would ever slip from Pakistan's agenda as it is a very deep-rooted issue for ALL Pakistanis....not just the government.

All Pakistani's??

It may have had resonance back in the 90's when all we had was PTV churning out Kashmir stories 24/7 as part of its propoganda tool to brainwash the population. However, times are a changing as someone once said.

From my visits to Pakistan throughout the last 12 years, I don't see any evidence of Kashmir presenting itself as a deep-rooted issue for ALL Pakistani's as you claim. Pakistani's have so many local and national issues that Kashmir no longer has the same resonance it once did. Inflation, increasing poverty, unemployment, worsening law and order, water issues, corruption, loadshedding - those are the deep-rooted issues that Pakistani's want answers to. My cousins and friends aren't talking to me about Kashmir, and when I ask them, they say what everyone knows - it's a political football played by the military.

Coupled with the explosion of private media channels, the focus is much more on domestic issues, rather than Kashmir. How many nightly talk shows even touch on Kashmir? How many news items a day do you see in the Pakistani print and TV media? Exactly, close to zilch. We have much more on our plate to deal with than Kashmir.

Then take those issues that we have above. Are those the issues that Kashmiris want? Are they charging the LoC to cross into Pakistan in the hundreds or thousands on a daily basis? Where is the 'bandh's' that were so common in Kashmir? The protests? The news of Hurriyat having meetings with xyz from the Centre?

Kashmir seems relatively stable right now. The prospects for them seems better there than it does being part of the hell hole that is Pakistan today. We can't look after our own people in Balouchistan, in KP, in Sindh so what enticing benefits have we got lined up for Kashmiri's? 18 hour loadshedding? Any takers? Didn't think so.

Whether you like it or not, the freedom struggle mantra we gripped on to has no buyers in the world today. Syed's statements if true in the context it's mentioned is a classic case of the chickens coming home to roost. We have that already in the North West of the country, and the last thing we need is this in the North East.

9/11 changed everything in a day, our stance carried no weight then, and it doesn't now. Emerging India is everyones buddy, and no one dare upset it. We're weak on all fronts, diplomatically, militarily, and most important of all, economically.

The solution is simple, and has been for a while. Take what we have (LoC as the border / soft border), and look for solid peace, and increased trade and trust. The days of relying on these tools as proxies to further military and foreign policy is long gone.

However, if we crave isolation, then by all means continue supporting these groups. With that approach, we can carry on tightening the noose around our necks.

 

[Ignited Mind]

If someone believes that Pakistanis care more about Kashmir than about loadshedding, gas, and other such mortal concerns, he's either lying or a fool.

I don't see Pakistanis do this for Kashmir the way they do for electricity.

If you believe that these(^^) Pakistanis care more about Kashmir than about electricity, either oyu're lying, or you're stupid. Pick one.

 

[Ignited Mind]

All Pakistani's??

It may have had resonance back in the 90's when all we had was PTV churning out Kashmir stories 24/7 as part of its propoganda tool to brainwash the population. However, times are a changing as someone once said.

From my visits to Pakistan throughout the last 12 years, I don't see any evidence of Kashmir presenting itself as a deep-rooted issue for ALL Pakistani's as you claim. Pakistani's have so many local and national issues that Kashmir no longer has the same resonance it once did. Inflation, increasing poverty, unemployment, worsening law and order, water issues, corruption, loadshedding - those are the deep-rooted issues that Pakistani's want answers to. My cousins and friends aren't talking to me about Kashmir, and when I ask them, they say what everyone knows - it's a political football played by the military.

Coupled with the explosion of private media channels, the focus is much more on domestic issues, rather than Kashmir. How many nightly talk shows even touch on Kashmir? How many news items a day do you see in the Pakistani print and TV media? Exactly, close to zilch. We have much more on our plate to deal with than Kashmir.

Then take those issues that we have above. Are those the issues that Kashmiris want? Are they charging the LoC to cross into Pakistan in the hundreds or thousands on a daily basis? Where is the 'bandh's' that were so common in Kashmir? The protests? The news of Hurriyat having meetings with xyz from the Centre?

Kashmir seems relatively stable right now. The prospects for them seems better there than it does being part of the hell hole that is Pakistan today. We can't look after our own people in Balouchistan, in KP, in Sindh so what enticing benefits have we got lined up for Kashmiri's? 18 hour loadshedding? Any takers? Didn't think so.

Whether you like it or not, the freedom struggle mantra we gripped on to has no buyers in the world today. Syed's statements if true in the context it's mentioned is a classic case of the chickens coming home to roost. We have that already in the North West of the country, and the last thing we need is this in the North East.

9/11 changed everything in a day, our stance carried no weight then, and it doesn't now. Emerging India is everyones buddy, and no one dare upset it. We're weak on all fronts, diplomatically, militarily, and most important of all, economically.

The solution is simple, and has been for a while. Take what we have (LoC as the border / soft border), and look for solid peace, and increased trade and trust. The days of relying on these tools as proxies to further military and foreign policy is long gone.

However, if we crave isolation, then by all means continue supporting these groups. With that approach, we can carry on tightening the noose around our necks.

I once read somewhere, "A man's fall starts when he starts lying to himself.". Your post reminded me of that, in a positive way of course.

 

[Kaniska]

All Pakistani's??

It may have had resonance back in the 90's when all we had was PTV churning out Kashmir stories 24/7 as part of its propoganda tool to brainwash the population. However, times are a changing as someone once said.

From my visits to Pakistan throughout the last 12 years, I don't see any evidence of Kashmir presenting itself as a deep-rooted issue for ALL Pakistani's as you claim. Pakistani's have so many local and national issues that Kashmir no longer has the same resonance it once did. Inflation, increasing poverty, unemployment, worsening law and order, water issues, corruption, loadshedding - those are the deep-rooted issues that Pakistani's want answers to. My cousins and friends aren't talking to me about Kashmir, and when I ask them, they say what everyone knows - it's a political football played by the military.

Coupled with the explosion of private media channels, the focus is much more on domestic issues, rather than Kashmir. How many nightly talk shows even touch on Kashmir? How many news items a day do you see in the Pakistani print and TV media? Exactly, close to zilch. We have much more on our plate to deal with than Kashmir.

Then take those issues that we have above. Are those the issues that Kashmiris want? Are they charging the LoC to cross into Pakistan in the hundreds or thousands on a daily basis? Where is the 'bandh's' that were so common in Kashmir? The protests? The news of Hurriyat having meetings with xyz from the Centre?

Kashmir seems relatively stable right now. The prospects for them seems better there than it does being part of the hell hole that is Pakistan today. We can't look after our own people in Balouchistan, in KP, in Sindh so what enticing benefits have we got lined up for Kashmiri's? 18 hour loadshedding? Any takers? Didn't think so.

Whether you like it or not, the freedom struggle mantra we gripped on to has no buyers in the world today. Syed's statements if true in the context it's mentioned is a classic case of the chickens coming home to roost. We have that already in the North West of the country, and the last thing we need is this in the North East.

9/11 changed everything in a day, our stance carried no weight then, and it doesn't now. Emerging India is everyones buddy, and no one dare upset it. We're weak on all fronts, diplomatically, militarily, and most important of all, economically.

The solution is simple, and has been for a while. Take what we have (LoC as the border / soft border), and look for solid peace, and increased trade and trust. The days of relying on these tools as proxies to further military and foreign policy is long gone.

However, if we crave isolation, then by all means continue supporting these groups. With that approach, we can carry on tightening the noose around our necks.

I agree with your post. Thanks for sensible reply...Even same things goes to India also...If really Kashmir issues needs settlement then kashmir separatist to make sure that they should be trusted by Indian public and civil society as an indigenous movement rather than paid and sponsored by Pakistan....Of late India has realy started looking seriously to the Kashmir issue and GOI is taking alot of steps to resolve this issue withing the scope of Indian Constitution...And of course if someone of my country does not accept the rule of law and my country...then RULE of law is same for all.

 

[surya kiran]

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[Hyperion]

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Ok. Understood!