If India or US attack, Afg will back Pakistan: Karzai

[Gautam]

Forget about Afghanistan, even China can't do anything in case Pakistan is attacked. though some lip service is needed in diplomacy.

 

[Avatar]

To be honest, Mr Karzai does not really mean what he says. What concerns me more is why does he need to make such a statement ? Are the Pakistani people so insecure that they feel that a war with either India or the US is inevitable ?

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Forget about Afghanistan, even China can't do anything in case Pakistan is attacked. though some lip service is needed in diplomacy.

China can definitely intervene and save Pakistan's nuclear a**, but the Chinese always see if the cost/benefit ratio is in their favor first. Depending on the scale of attack Chinese intervention will be between unlikely to very unlikely.

 

[Tshering22]

China can definitely intervene and save Pakistan's nuclear a**, but the Chinese always see if the cost/benefit ratio is in their favor first. Depending on the scale of attack Chinese intervention will be between unlikely to very unlikely.

You think they can? Intervention in a third party war that has nothing to do with Chinese needs just more than a massive army and a brainwashed cadre, mate. Let's see what China has to do with US and/or us:

USA: Has invested trillions in them. Is their largest buyer of last resort and CCP expects returns in the coming future, meaning long term investments. Why would they want to hinder their own benefactor of long term except some Red Guard internet warriors here?

India: Almost a $100 billion trade, large consumer market for Chinese products. Massive economic benefit. Only needs to keep us in check more than anything else, so uses Pakistan as the "troublesome kid of the block".

Karzai can be funny sometimes.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Obviously a great indication that Afghanistan is our Twin nation , we should ideally integrate it into Pakistan has a Province and assign a budget for it annually for its growth and prosperity

But a great gesture from Afghania province

 

[Xracer]

My personal feeling is that this Karzai character makes anti-Pakistan statements whenever he recieves more $$$ from the indos. And when he wants some more, pro-Pakistan statements start to come out.

Mine tooooo

 

[DV RULES]

Karzai has to come Pakistan and learn what is politics and how to do politics, a cheap tricks. Even a 1st year student of international relations/defense studies or even a simple Pakistani will not agree with such comments in particular conditions.

What he meant by it;
1. Show Pakistan that he already matured and has support of US & India?
2. Attempt to attack western border in help mode.

Karzai dude, grow up first and then come for such statements.

 

[roadrunner]

To be honest, Mr Karzai does not really mean what he says. What concerns me more is why does he need to make such a statement ? Are the Pakistani people so insecure that they feel that a war with either India or the US is inevitable

He was probably making a point that wasn't meant to be understood by the likes of yourself. It's a bit of a simpleton argument though since ethnic rivalries make the situation more complex.

 

[RazPaK]

Karzai trying to be cute. We should slap this fool.

 

[Qasibr]

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Sometimes, one must learn to distinguish between "FEEL GOOD" statements and reality.

Yes - one must distinguish between "feel good" statements and reality. I bet it feels good to think about the Afghans siding with India in any future war. But let's look at the facts.

Afghanistan has heavily leaned on Pakistan for the past thirty years. Though in the past, during the British era, Afghanistan closed it's borders when Muslims tried to migrate away from British rule, Pakistan buried the hatchet and literally one-third of Afghanistan moved into Pakistan. We took a principled stand and helped our Afghan brothers, US support started coming after two years(when the war started, CIA expected the mighty Red Army to crush the resistance within three months - they had been undefeated thus far), and for two years Pakistan supported the Afghan Mujahideen on it's own.

Tens of thousands of Pakistani youth joined the Afghan jihad, along with Muslims coming in from all over the world. The Pakistan Army SSG officer endearingly called "Colonel Imaam" trained Afghan groups in special forces warfare, and had also been a teacher of Mullah Omer, who now heads the Afghan resistance. When the Soviets deployed their Spetznaz crack troops and the Mujahideen were overpowered in the face of superior tactics and high-tech weaponry, our SSG was covertly deployed deep inside Afghan territory to help the resistance. There were pitched battles near areas such as Panjshair that the Soviets could not overwhelm, and even they publically raised protests about their suspicion that they were fighting Pakistani SSG units and not the ragtag Afghan militia. When the US-backed "Pakistani Taliban" kidnapped Colonel Imam, Mullah Omer himself sent a delegation to request that he be freed.

Very recently when the US pressured Pakistan on the Haqqani group after Adm. Mike Mullen's public statements alleging Pakistan having ties with this sub-group of the resistance, the central Afghan resistance issued public statements to the effect that Pakistan was not responsible for the Haqqani group. This surprised many international analysts, because the Mujahideen leadership was publically trying to alleviate pressure from Pakistan - they didn't have to come to Pakistan's help like that. The western intelligence agencies have been alleging for years that a segment within the ISI is playing a very similar role to the one they did in the 80's against the Soviet army, alleging that this segment(they call it the "S Wing" of the ISI) comes up with strategic planning and overall tactical direction and guidance for the Afghan resistance. I don't know if their allegations are true, but if it is, Pakistan is absolutely right to help the Afghans repel another invader. When we helped them in the 80's it was lauded internationally, our morality cannot simply re-define based on the US mood at the time.

So do some research, learn some facts, and then some and play some more. The Afghan victory against the Americans would be a victory for Islam and the Pakistani people, perhaps it might not be a victory for our political elite, but that's not bad really. India poured alot of money into the puppet regime in the Soviet era as well, the army India trains is the one the local resistance groups fight, this made the locals hate India then, and it makes them hate India now.

 

[RazPaK]

Yes - one must distinguish between "feel good" statements and reality. I bet it feels good to think about the Afghans siding with India in any future war. But let's look at the facts.

Afghanistan has heavily leaned on Pakistan for the past thirty years. Though in the past, during the British era, Afghanistan closed it's borders when Muslims tried to migrate away from British rule, Pakistan buried the hatchet and literally one-third of Afghanistan moved into Pakistan. We took a principled stand and helped our Afghan brothers, US support started coming after two years(when the war started, CIA expected the mighty Red Army to crush the resistance within three months - they had been undefeated thus far), and for two years Pakistan supported the Afghan Mujahideen on it's own.


Tens of thousands of Pakistani youth joined the Afghan jihad, along with Muslims coming in from all over the world. The Pakistan Army SSG officer endearingly called "Colonel Imaam" trained Afghan groups in special forces warfare, and had also been a teacher of Mullah Omer, who now heads the Afghan resistance. When the Soviets deployed their Spetznaz crack troops and the Mujahideen were overpowered in the face of superior tactics and high-tech weaponry, our SSG was covertly deployed deep inside Afghan territory to help the resistance. There were pitched battles near areas such as Panjshair that the Soviets could not overwhelm, and even they publically raised protests about their suspicion that they were fighting Pakistani SSG units and not the ragtag Afghan militia. When the US-backed "Pakistani Taliban" kidnapped Colonel Imam, Mullah Omer himself sent a delegation to request that he be freed.

Very recently when the US pressured Pakistan on the Haqqani group after Adm. Mike Mullen's public statements alleging Pakistan having ties with this sub-group of the resistance, the central Afghan resistance issued public statements to the effect that Pakistan was not responsible for the Haqqani group. This surprised many international analysts, because the Mujahideen leadership was publically trying to alleviate pressure from Pakistan - they didn't have to come to Pakistan's help like that. The western intelligence agencies have been alleging for years that a segment within the ISI is playing a very similar role to the one they did in the 80's against the Soviet army, alleging that this segment(they call it the "S Wing" of the ISI) comes up with strategic planning and overall tactical direction and guidance for the Afghan resistance. I don't know if their allegations are true, but if it is, Pakistan is absolutely right to help the Afghans repel another invader. When we helped them in the 80's it was lauded internationally, our morality cannot simply re-define based on the US mood at the time.

So do some research, learn some facts, and then some and play some more. The Afghan victory against the Americans would be a victory for Islam and the Pakistani people, perhaps it might not be a victory for our political elite, but that's not bad really. India poured alot of money into the puppet regime in the Soviet era as well, the army India trains is the one the local resistance groups fight, this made the locals hate India then, and it makes them hate India now.

The russians even made a film about this. This is when the SSG earned the title, "The Black Storks".

The guy with the long hair and and scarf in black is supposed to be an undercover SSG officer.

 

[roadrunner]

i don't think his point was the Soviet-Afghan war

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Incidentally. Why is the guy with long hair and a black scarf supposed to be an SSG officer? Any particular reason for singling him out?

 

[RazPaK]

i don't think his point was the Soviet-Afghan war

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Incidentally. Why is the guy with long hair and a black scarf supposed to be an SSG officer? Any particular reason for singling him out?

Russian friend told me, it was after this battle that they found proof of Pakistani soldiers fighting against the Russians. I think the guy with the scarf is supposed to be the most professional and commanding the attack.

 

[roadrunner]

so you liked the look of him in a film and decided he was SSG?

 

[RazPaK]

so you liked the look of him in a film and decided he was SSG?

It was just a film, and far from the truth. We both know that.

If you read about this specific battle, the SSG commanded the Mujahadin, so it doesn't take genius to figure it out.Plus this is where they earned the nickname "the black storks", because they would wear black clothing. Obviously the guy depicted in the film is supposed to be a commando.

 

[Developereo]

Why are we even giving attention to his silly, schizophrenic statements?

Karzai fancies himself a shrewd operator who is balancing India, US, Pakistan, etc. and milking them all to get maximum benefit for Afghanistan -- or, at least, himself. Unfortunately, he is such a rank amateur at diplomacy that all his 'machinations' are openly transparent for all to see. Even the Afghans don't respect him.

We rightly complain that Pakistani politicians are idiot paindoos, but this guy Karzai makes Gilani look like a political genius by comparison.