If India & China go on war who will win?

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Chinese support of pakistan was always there. It was always chinese decision to what extend.

We support Pakistan as friend and not as the way you guy with Bhutan to direct enter confrontation with China.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Yes I do understand, but you fail to take into account that a costly campaign in Tibet may be worth the gains to be made. China's going to fall because Indian troops remain on the ridges? The Chinese have far better infrastructure there and the ability sustain a prolonged presence. You're also bringing in the past, of course the Chinese withdrew due to the logistical limitations but they have moved on from that now.

For your reference again;

China’s improved infrastructure in the TAR and near the LAC has added immensely to its military capacity. China’s ability to rapidly deploy forces has increased “tremendously with the infrastructure built up over the last decade.” All-weather roads and rail infrastructure in addition to a number of airstrips that have come near the LAC give it an “edge in deploying forces.” With the improved infrastructure, China can now deploy up to 32 divisions (previously only 22), and, importantly do so year-round. Additionally, China’s creation of logistic and fuel depots near border regions suggest that China is attempting to improve its ability to not just rapidly deploy forces but also to sustain them for a significant period of time. [8] Clearly, China’s infrastructure development gives it a huge advantage over India at the LAC.

India’s capacity for an effective counter-deployment has been undermined by its torpid approach to improving its overland travel infrastructure near the LAC. Chinese border roads run almost up to the LAC or even cross the LAC into the Indian side; a road in the Siri Jap area in Ladakh runs 5 km into Indian territory, for instance (Times of India, May 26, 2013). Indian border roads, in contrast, stop well ahead of the LAC, sometimes even 50–70 km from the disputed border (Asian Age, July 21). [9]

Daulat Beg Oldie, India’s most significant outpost adjoining Aksai Chin, is yet to be linked by road. Tawang, an important bone of contention in the Sino-Indian border dispute, has just a single, narrow, pot-holed road linking the town to Bum La, the last border post on the Indian side of the McMahon Line. Conditions on the Tawang-Bum La Road are so poor that it takes three hours to cover the 30 km distance. Even trucks and other heavy vehicles cannot ply this road. While the condition of this road hasn’t improved since 1962, the Chinese have constructed a four-lane highway running within 4 km of the McMahon Line. It takes the Chinese a mere 45 minutes to reach the Bum La Post from Sonajung town, which lies 37 km from the McMahon Line on the Chinese side (Arunachal Times, June 6, 2012 and Outlook, October 22, 2012).

The absence of roads to the LAC means that supplies for outposts in forward positions have to be airlifted. This is the case with Daulat Beg Oldie, for instance, where supplies must be airlifted, leaving personnel and operations here extremely vulnerable to poor weather conditions and enemy action (India Strategic, September 2013). The absence of roads and rails would be felt especially in a time of crisis. India’s mobilization of forces to forward posts would be severely hampered as it will have to depend on aircraft to augment force levels. Importantly, the full potential of augmenting troop levels, raising strike corps and improving air strike and defense capabilities are likely to be tapped only if these are supported by robust road and rail links. In the latter’s absence, “the cruel Himalayan terrain reduces even the largest divisions to isolated groups of soldiers sitting on widely separated hilltops” (Business Standard, April 25, 2013). With a strong road and rail network, India could reduce force levels in the forward areas and station them instead at lower altitudes, with better weather conditions. It could rush troops to the borders when needed; trucks and trains would enable it to move large numbers of soldiers at short notice. This makes it imperative for India to focus its attention on improving overland links to the LAC.

The plans for strategic roads and railways could make a positive difference. Construction of the Tawang-Vijaynagar highway and the Guwahati-Tawang Road via Tashigang in Bhutan could reduce India’s current vulnerabilities along the McMahon Line. The latter, for instance, would not only reduce dependence on the current Tawang-Bum La route but also allow for bypassing the Se La pass that is prone to avalanches and landslides. It would also cut travel time between Guwahati and Tawang by six hours (Indian Express, October 16, 2014 and Arunachal Times, April 30). Besides, the Indian government plans to construct three strategic railway lines—the Missamari-Tawang railway line, Murkongselek-Pasighat-Tezu-Parasuramkund-Rupai line and the North Lakhimpur-Along-Silapathar line—in the Northeast. Of these, the Missamari-Tawang railway line would strengthen logistic support to the strategic Bum La post. Missamari is home to an infantry division, air force station, oil depots etc. Troops stationed at the base here could be transported in large numbers via train to Tawang within hours (Economic Times, May 10, 2015).

India is however addressing some of the shortcomings, but it's a case of playing catchup not taking the initiative, which lies with the Chinese and continues to grow.



The Chinese will beat you alone, please don't talk about a two front war.

The Problem with China is it has Too many enemies

China has to decide whether it is worth Fighting a Strong India
for a Few Plateaus and valleys

We have a lot to fight for ; we are going to fight with all that we have

China cannot sustain a war for too long because of other factors

Once China attacks India ; ALL Asian countries will form an Alliance

TAIWAN will declare independence

There will be revolts in Xinjiang ; Tibet and Hongkong

And if US gets involved ; it will be a Mighty humiliation for China

 

[SrNair]

They don't need to, their progress speaks for itself. Also remember they beat you in a conflict before. I can't believe you are ever contemplating the question.

Dont think so .
Only conflict that they were beat us was 1962.Or we would say our own misplaced self imposed restrictions caused the negative outcome.

You dont have to look somewhere ,the last one was during 1987 .After that they were always cautious in dealings with us in LAC .

On topic: Chinese will have some advantage due to their own military industrial complex and economy.
But they will have to exhaust all of their resources and economy . Both India and China will destroy their own economy and US will gets total decisive monopoly in entire world .
I think both of China and India will stay out from that venture .

 

[Stephen Cohen]

They disbelieve because it is ridiculous and you will be beaten badly. That's why people laugh at it.

All we know is that Both Pakistan and China want something
that INDIA has ie Kashmir and Arunachal but YET are UN WILLING to FIGHT
Together

Though both of them claim to be Best Friends

 

[SrNair]

"We were not expecting them to attack", that explains a great deal about your posts. Whenever there is even a remote chance of conflict or a form of hostile intent by the enemy, you should be prepared for anything.
The 1967 account only comes from Indian sources, please show me third party sources which confirm the casualties and conflict you speak about.
As for other times, China has been building its strength, you also had 65 and 71 under the shadow of the Soviets, so the Chinese would not intervene.
The South Tibet issue is a sideshow and is done to enrage the Indian establishment. They're not serious about it at the moment.
They haven't threatened the states you mentioned with direct military conflict, and the same is with India.
You just need to accept facts and understand that India is no match for China in any shape or form.



You're going to nuke them with a landmass three times smaller and weaker weapons.

There is a reason for hesitation from Chinese part even after we bulldozed their structures on the behalf of Bhutan .
We know how to play this games and we knows how much they can go .


Fact is noone knows about Indian nukes except our own PMO and their SFC .Not even US .
Underground nuclear city has various applications.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Dont think so .
Only conflict that they were beat us was 1962.Or we would say our own misplaced self imposed restrictions caused the negative outcome.

You dont have to look somewhere ,the last one was during 1987 .After that they were always cautious in dealings with us in LAC .

On topic: Chinese will have some advantage due to their own military industrial complex and economy.
But they will have to exhaust all of their resources and economy . Both India and China will destroy their own economy and US will gets total decisive monopoly in entire world .
I think both of China and India will stay out from that venture .

@waz

The Last war that China fought did NOT go down well for them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

China will NOT attack us because they
ONLY wants an EASY Victory ; which they will never get

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

The Problem with China is it has Too many enemies

China has to decide whether it is worth Fighting a Strong India
for a Few Plateaus and valleys

We have a lot to fight for ; we are going to fight with all that we have

China cannot sustain a war for too long because of other factors

Once China attacks India ; ALL Asian countries will form an Alliance

TAIWAN will declare independence

There will be revolts in Xinjiang ; Tibet and Hongkong

And if US gets involved ; it will be a Mighty humiliation for China

Sure we have a lot of adversaries but not to the point to become enemies, Vietnam, Japan and even US all have trade relation with China even more with India, we still have diplomatic relation, if there is any war with India, you think China is stupid to declare war to all at the same time or if these countries are stupid enough to come fight in India side? No they will rather enjoy the show...and certainly not at their expense.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

We support Pakistan as friend and not as the way you guy with Bhutan to direct enter confrontation with China.

Well Bhutan is our friend and we support them. In fact Bhutan and india have a treaty as well. It would be better if china has a treaty with pakistan as well.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Well that's very obvious! Someone who is making weapons for these countries and someone who will lend money to buy those weapons.
Both of the countries will loose.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

All we know is that Both Pakistan and China want something that INDIA has ie Kashmir and Arunachal but YET are UN WILLING to FIGHT
Together
Though both of them claim to be Best Friends

With Bhutan affair, China and Pakistan can get closer for common cause, we will support Pakistan over J&K as India to Bhutan, and Pakistan can do us some favor too over South Tibet...so don't rule out that we will sit idle in the future.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

With Bhutan affair, China and Pakistan can get closer for common cause, we will support Pakistan over J&K as India to Bhutan, and Pakistan can do us some favor too over South Tibet...so don't rule out that we will sit idle in the future.

You can do what ever you want ; we are ready for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Well Bhutan is our friend and we support them. In fact Bhutan and india have a treaty as well. It would be better if china has a treaty with pakistan as well.

Treaty or not India should never complain from now on or be surprise that China to support Pakistan over J&K.

 

[war&peace]

I don't wish a war in the region but if hyothetically a full scale war breaks out between both nations, here are my two cents

1. In conventional war, China will simply walk over India and a truce of some sort will be mediated by international community and China may withdraw under certain condition but it will occupy the territory it claims its own like Tibet, Aksai Chin, Sikkim etc and Pakistan get IoJ&K + Ladakh.
2. A limited nuclear exchange, both nations will suffer immensely but Chinese are a resilient and a disciplined nation so they will be recuperate from the losses much faster but India is a chaotic multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religion and a divided country so it will be in deep trouble for a long time and won't remain intact in the current form and many states will become independent.
3. The war may turn into a global conflict i.e. WWW-III with certain countries supporting India while the rest supporting China and Pakistan and that will be a gruesome and the most horrific war in the history of mankind and losses will be unimaginable thus it should be avoided.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You can do what ever you want ; we are ready for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING

With your two fronts war doctrine, no your're not prepare .

 

[Brickwall]

You're going to nuke them with a landmass three times smaller and weaker weapons.

Doesnt same argument applies to Pakistan vs India.In war you never knows how things can turn ugly