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Short of putting boots on the ground, India should put its full weight behind the Ghani government despite its many infirmities.
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There seems to be an unholy rush in several countries, including India, to concede Afghanistan to the marauding Taliban forces. The implications of what a Taliban takeover may mean for the hapless people of the blighted country, in particular for its women and children, as an obscurantist and intolerant version of Islam is given free rein once again, seem to be no more than collateral damage. Suddenly, this is now for the ‘Afghan people to decide’— as if they have a choice.

Taliban’s soul hasn’t changed
There are already reports coming in that in areas that have fallen under the Taliban control, there has been swift and even ruthless imposition of the strict dictates of Sharia, or at least how the militant movement interprets it. To describe them merely as ‘conservative but smart and sophisticated political operators’ is a cosmetic makeover that says more about the commentators than about the Taliban themselves. It suits the latter to be painted in gentler hues since they may go about their violent impositions without meddling foreigners to distract them. Nothing detracts more from US President Joe Biden’s passionate urging about freedom and democracy, and respect for human rights, than this unseemly abandonment of a people staring at the loss of even the limited freedoms that they had begun to enjoy despite a fragmented, but nevertheless democratically elected government.

There also appears a vain hope that the Taliban are nationalistic after all. As if the current Kabul government is not. If the Ashraf Ghani government relied heavily on American support, the Taliban flourished because of Pakistani assistance. Americans lost the plot because they failed to battle the real enemy — the manipulative handlers sitting in Islamabad. One may rubbish Pakistani calculations on Afghanistan being its indispensable “strategic depth”, or the prediction that Pakistan may itself come a cropper once Taliban are entrenched in Afghanistan and begin to pursue its own “interests”.

But in the meantime, Pakistan’s quiet satisfaction at having seen off another superpower into ignominious defeat is patent. That Pakistan is gaining renewed strategic relevance because it now controls the levers of influence over the dangerous force that may soon be presiding over a turbulent Afghanistan, is apparent from the overtures being made to Islamabad by the cluster of neighbouring countries. Even some Indian commentators are urging Pakistan to see a convergent interest in a peaceful and stable Afghanistan. Urging New Delhi not to perceive the Taliban as a Pakistani instrument, to engage with it so that it may resist Pakistani efforts to use it to harm Indian interests, is a flight from reality staring us in the face. The Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad armed cadres are fighting alongside the Taliban. Could they be doing so without Pakistani encouragement if not direction? Do we really believe that a Taliban-controlled Afghanistan will not, once again, become a base for renewed and intensified cross-border terrorism against India? Pakistan is posing as a guarantor against similar activities against China, Russia and perhaps even Iran. If their concerns can be assuaged, at least initially, would there be any support if India is targeted?

I understand that, eventually, Pakistan may not be able to control other extremist forces such as Al-Qaeda or ISIS from re-establishing bases and sanctuaries in Afghanistan. We know that they are already active in some areas of the country. But that may be of little consolation. As the Chinese are beginning to discover, they cannot depend on Pakistan to protect their personnel working in the country. Will they be able to do so in Afghanistan? But it’s too late now for them to reverse course. All they can do is hope for the best.

What may be the best or the least bad option for India at this difficult juncture?
Protect the Kabul govt
The best course lies in shoring up the government in Kabul and helping it to prevent a complete takeover by the Taliban. If the ongoing civil war can grind to a stalemate, that might be the best outcome in the short run. The Taliban momentum needs to be broken.

The recent Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) deliberations on the Afghan situation may be a pointer to forging a regional consensus on preventing a Taliban takeover, and supporting a power-sharing dispensation. There may be room for enhanced political and material support to the Kabul government and India could certainly lead the way. If Turkey is to take on the responsibility for guarding the Hamid Karzai International Airport, then here is an interlocutor that India needs to engage with. The Taliban have been swift to warn Turkey on its taking on this role from the Americans.

It may be tactically wise to engage with the Taliban and India has been doing so. It should not, however, give in to demands that New Delhi should stop assisting the Ghani government, including with arms supplies. Short of putting boots on the ground, India should put its full weight behind the Ghani government despite its many infirmities.

The bottom line is this: a military stalemate in Afghanistan, even a protracted civil war, may be a better outcome from India’s standpoint than a Taliban takeover. One may not be able to contribute to the Taliban’s defeat. We may, however, be able to prevent its victory and that would be a more prudent choice.

 
The bottom line is this: a military stalemate in Afghanistan, even a protracted civil war, may be a better outcome from India’s standpoint than a Taliban takeover. One may not be able to contribute to the Taliban’s defeat. We may, however, be able to prevent its victory and that would be a more prudent choice

Let me get this straight, Indian media is advocating for a civil war in Afghanistan by direct interference in the name of 'democracy' and 'development'.

This defies all international conventions and all definitions of a mature state.

I guess India is a super power afterall.
 
The bottom line is this: a military stalemate in Afghanistan, even a protracted civil war, may be a better outcome from India’s standpoint than a Taliban takeover

These Indian cu*** are not even hiding their support for civil war in Afghanistan.

World needs to see that when Pakistan says that its India which is the peace spoiler, it is absolutely spot on.
 
Thank you India... This is giving Pakistan stragetic depth by default and expanding their horizone automatically. The Afghan people will lap into the Pakistani mindset by default:partay::tup: boarding Pakistan's pull, manpower and stragetic depth... India has been working for Pakistan's advantage without realizing it and making everything easy for them... Pakistan is an enemy and making Taliban out of an enemy plays into Pakistan advantage without trying much.. This was my initial plan and I was talking about it how this was crucial guess what India is delivering that for Pakistan... Pakistan's plan was to get it on long term by mending ties with the Afghan people could have taken atleast a decade but guess what it came free now and immediately..

Victory has already happen the minute the Americans left that much is locked but what this does is give the Afghan people entirely into the Pakistani mindset. That is more crucial than anything else.. You need to breed hatred inside the Afghani people for India... I love the relentless of the Afghanis that is a major asset to require for Pakistan and deploy them against India :lol:
 
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The articles is full of contradictions and author's claims are full of wild accusations instead of facts. The worst part is that no one, literally no one in Pakistan has replied to such articles and a popular narrative that Pakistan is the main enemy has been left unchecked.

Pakistan has no desire of a strategic depth in Afghanistan and as @Taimoor Khan explained in one thread that our only interest is to ensure that NDS, TTP, BLA and all such hostile elements don't get a free hand in Afghanistan. Indian side is worried that their investments in such projects will no longer be protected once taliban takeover and they won't be able to finance more problems against Pakistan.

Indian side has to decide an option in Afghanistan soon and this is what everyone is waiting for.
 
The articles is full of contradictions and author's claims are full of wild accusations instead of facts. The worst part is that no one, literally no one in Pakistan has replied to such articles and a popular narrative that Pakistan is the main enemy has been left unchecked.

Pakistan has no desire of a strategic depth in Afghanistan and as @Taimoor Khan explained in one thread that our only interest is to ensure that NDS, TTP, BLA and all such hostile elements don't get a free hand in Afghanistan. Indian side is worried that their investments in such projects will no longer be protected once taliban takeover and they won't be able to finance more problems against Pakistan.

Indian side has to decide an option in Afghanistan soon and this is what everyone is waiting for.

Pakistan does seek stragetic depth in Afghanistan.. India is irrelevant can't decide jack-shit in Afghanistan bro.. Pakistan will not allow anyone else to have influence specifically India.. Pakistan can take all of Afghanistan within a week if triggered so everything is under Pakistan's control and it will let Taliban take full control but if someone was to miscalculate Pakistan it can take AFGHANISTAN within a week it has already deployed it's regular army on the border... They will just do a false flag and enter without any issues... They could do a major false flag tomorrow if they wanted..

Hatred for India must be created into hearts of the Afghan people by putting in anti-indian media in Afghanistan circulating nonestop anti-Indian propaganda and than finally when the hour come use them in the future...

 
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The bottom line is this: a military stalemate in Afghanistan, even a protracted civil war, may be a better outcome from India’s standpoint

This statement is enough to expose the real ugly face of this indian rat. Afghans are morons to think india wants their good.
 
That is exactly what I want LOL The more India and particularly Modi gets involved the better.
 
Imagine a superpower like the US for 2 decades with on boot grounds couldn't defeat the Talibans, a Covid stricken country who can barely compete with regional powers will defeat Taliban, yeah right.
 
Mr Ghani can ask for free daal from the Patels? In return Indian soliders could be gifted Afghan women. Ghani is very desperate.
 
Short of putting boots on the ground, India should put its full weight behind the Ghani government despite its many infirmities.
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There seems to be an unholy rush in several countries, including India, to concede Afghanistan to the marauding Taliban forces. The implications of what a Taliban takeover may mean for the hapless people of the blighted country, in particular for its women and children, as an obscurantist and intolerant version of Islam is given free rein once again, seem to be no more than collateral damage. Suddenly, this is now for the ‘Afghan people to decide’— as if they have a choice.

Taliban’s soul hasn’t changed
There are already reports coming in that in areas that have fallen under the Taliban control, there has been swift and even ruthless imposition of the strict dictates of Sharia, or at least how the militant movement interprets it. To describe them merely as ‘conservative but smart and sophisticated political operators’ is a cosmetic makeover that says more about the commentators than about the Taliban themselves. It suits the latter to be painted in gentler hues since they may go about their violent impositions without meddling foreigners to distract them. Nothing detracts more from US President Joe Biden’s passionate urging about freedom and democracy, and respect for human rights, than this unseemly abandonment of a people staring at the loss of even the limited freedoms that they had begun to enjoy despite a fragmented, but nevertheless democratically elected government.

There also appears a vain hope that the Taliban are nationalistic after all. As if the current Kabul government is not. If the Ashraf Ghani government relied heavily on American support, the Taliban flourished because of Pakistani assistance. Americans lost the plot because they failed to battle the real enemy — the manipulative handlers sitting in Islamabad. One may rubbish Pakistani calculations on Afghanistan being its indispensable “strategic depth”, or the prediction that Pakistan may itself come a cropper once Taliban are entrenched in Afghanistan and begin to pursue its own “interests”.

But in the meantime, Pakistan’s quiet satisfaction at having seen off another superpower into ignominious defeat is patent. That Pakistan is gaining renewed strategic relevance because it now controls the levers of influence over the dangerous force that may soon be presiding over a turbulent Afghanistan, is apparent from the overtures being made to Islamabad by the cluster of neighbouring countries. Even some Indian commentators are urging Pakistan to see a convergent interest in a peaceful and stable Afghanistan. Urging New Delhi not to perceive the Taliban as a Pakistani instrument, to engage with it so that it may resist Pakistani efforts to use it to harm Indian interests, is a flight from reality staring us in the face. The Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad armed cadres are fighting alongside the Taliban. Could they be doing so without Pakistani encouragement if not direction? Do we really believe that a Taliban-controlled Afghanistan will not, once again, become a base for renewed and intensified cross-border terrorism against India? Pakistan is posing as a guarantor against similar activities against China, Russia and perhaps even Iran. If their concerns can be assuaged, at least initially, would there be any support if India is targeted?

I understand that, eventually, Pakistan may not be able to control other extremist forces such as Al-Qaeda or ISIS from re-establishing bases and sanctuaries in Afghanistan. We know that they are already active in some areas of the country. But that may be of little consolation. As the Chinese are beginning to discover, they cannot depend on Pakistan to protect their personnel working in the country. Will they be able to do so in Afghanistan? But it’s too late now for them to reverse course. All they can do is hope for the best.

What may be the best or the least bad option for India at this difficult juncture?
Protect the Kabul govt
The best course lies in shoring up the government in Kabul and helping it to prevent a complete takeover by the Taliban. If the ongoing civil war can grind to a stalemate, that might be the best outcome in the short run. The Taliban momentum needs to be broken.

The recent Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) deliberations on the Afghan situation may be a pointer to forging a regional consensus on preventing a Taliban takeover, and supporting a power-sharing dispensation. There may be room for enhanced political and material support to the Kabul government and India could certainly lead the way. If Turkey is to take on the responsibility for guarding the Hamid Karzai International Airport, then here is an interlocutor that India needs to engage with. The Taliban have been swift to warn Turkey on its taking on this role from the Americans.

It may be tactically wise to engage with the Taliban and India has been doing so. It should not, however, give in to demands that New Delhi should stop assisting the Ghani government, including with arms supplies. Short of putting boots on the ground, India should put its full weight behind the Ghani government despite its many infirmities.

The bottom line is this: a military stalemate in Afghanistan, even a protracted civil war, may be a better outcome from India’s standpoint than a Taliban takeover. One may not be able to contribute to the Taliban’s defeat. We may, however, be able to prevent its victory and that would be a more prudent choice.



India must help Ghani regime and best thing India can do as they are supa power should send army to safe the government in Kabul.
 
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