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If China were sued over the pandemic, the US should be over Iraq

The pandemic is something that is referred to in law as an act of God. War is an act of man.

The Arab Weekly
Sunday 05/04/2020

62-251-U-S-iraq-reuters.jpg

17 years on.US troops block a highway in outskirts of Baghdad after a roadside bomb attack December 7, 2003.(Reuters)

News of a US intelligence report alleging Chinese fabrications about the coronavirus outbreak came in, coincidentally, the very week that marked the 17th anniversary of the American seizure of Baghdad International Airport.

The intelligence report on China and the pandemic was handed to the White House at the end of March. It was on April 4, 2003 that the United States took control of Baghdad airport, just a few miles from the centre of the Iraqi capital. The timing of the US report is unfortunate.

The allegation that China intentionally concealed the extent of the domestic outbreak is clearly meant to buttress attempts by American politicians to make a moral case that Beijing pay damages. What it actually does is revive memories of the false prospectus for the US-led invasion of Iraq.

The United States has not been held to account for its false public justification for invading a sovereign nation without provocation. It has not acknowledged moral responsibility for the millions of casualties inflicted by the war, the bloody sectarian civil strife that was subsequently triggered in Iraq and the destruction of basic infrastructure in the country. It has not compensated the Iraqi people, although it’s hard to even begin to tally the cost of decades of bloodshed, chaos and tragedy.

According to a 2019 estimate, the death toll from 16 years of US military intervention in Iraq stands at 2.4 million. How do you put a price on that?

In any case, if China were to be sued over the coronavirus pandemic, then the US should be sued over Iraq — and the case against the United States would be the stronger.

The Chinese government is protected by the doctrine of sovereign immunity and its obfuscations in the early days of the coronavirus outbreak do not constitute sufficient grounds for a waiver. But the legal precedent set by the post-Second World War Nuremberg trials is strong. During the tribunals, prosecutors successfully argued that the Nazi leadership was liable for crimes of aggression and crimes against humanity by invading sovereign nations without provocation.

In 2004, then UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan called the Iraq invasion “illegal.” In 2009, Benjamin Ferencz, one of the American prosecutors at Nuremberg, wrote that “a good argument could be made that the US invasion of Iraq was unlawful.” In 2010, the Dutch parliament called it a breach of international law. It was the first independent legal assessment of the decision to invade.

All of the above is worth remembering at this point of time. US President Donald Trump, his administration and members of his Republican Party continue to refer to Covid-19 as the “Chinese virus” or the “Wuhan virus.” They have been dropping dark hints about the reparations due from China. A Republican congresswoman and a Republican senator have introduced resolutions in the House and Senate respectively, calling for an international investigation into the Chinese Communist Party’s alleged cover-up of the early spread of the coronavirus and for China to pay back all affected nations.

But as Yale law Professor Stephen Carter recently noted, sovereign immunity is a “broad” doctrine, an act of reciprocity. The US 1976 Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act (FSIA) maintains that shared global understanding, with one US federal court saying FSIA is intended “to protect foreign sovereigns from the burdens of litigation, including the cost and aggravation of discovery.” It was only in 2016 that the United States passed the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA), which allows US citizens to sue foreign governments for terrorist acts such as 9/11 on American soil. President Barack Obama had vetoed it, warning that JASTA could expose American companies, troops and officials to lawsuits in other countries but Congress overrode him.

Obama’s warning assumes new importance now that the US administration seems keen to blame and shame China for the high costs of its behaviour. It’s entirely likely that this will renew the focus on the illegality of the Iraq invasion and its terrible toll. In December 2016, the US Ninth Circuit Federal Court of Appeals heard the only case ever filed in the United States that questioned the legality of the Iraq war. The court affirmed immunity for the executive branch, no matter the scale of the crime.

But then on October 9, Trump tweeted that the United States “went to war under a false & now disproven premise” and that “millions of people have died on the other side.” Trump’s fulminations were the first such admission by a sitting US president. The tweet could be seen as official acceptance by the US government that the Iraq war was wrong and resulted in mass murder. It may not necessarily result in a viable prosecution of the US government. However, it does highlight a key difference between America’s war in Iraq and China’s actions after the coronavirus outbreak. The pandemic is something that is referred to in law as an act of God. War is an act of man.

https://thearabweekly.com/if-china-were-sued-over-pandemic-us-should-be-over-iraq
 
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LOL, last time the sue against China don't work very well, the US does not have the guts for the enforcement part so even Philippines, the benefiter of the sue, abundant them, forget about the sue and work with China.:rofl:

And you American masters have yet to pay the damage for HIV, swine flu or American 1918 flu, as well as the smallpox that intend to wipe the native Indians out of earth?:eek:

Guess what, what goes around comes around.

Btw, good to know you, as a german, care for human lives, you know, if thats the case how about you pay for all the damage plus interests for WW2 you started?

Now you can quit acting like as if you were something
 
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The american citizens should be sued in general for electing Captain ObliviousOrange. But then again whom amongst today's world has the balls to bell the cat?
 
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If China is sued in any way, China must out 9/11 as an inside job with 100s of pieces of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

If Russia sides with the US in any way, China can expose this:

Take care Tony, that man has blood on his hands

Evidence shows secret police were behind 'terrorist' bomb

John Sweeney


Sat 11 Mar 2000 21.31 EST



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The photograph below of a detonator pre-set to explode a bomb calls into question Russian leader Vladimir Putin's line - endorsed by Tony Blair during his visit to Russia yesterday - that Chechen terrorists were responsible for the explosions that killed more than 200 Russians last year.
Two bombs went off in Moscow, but a third bomb planted in Ryazan, 100 miles south, was defused by bomb squad officer Yuri Tkachenko who said: 'It was a live bomb.' It was made of the same explosive, Hexagen, and planted in a similar target - a working-class block of flats.


The third bomb did not go off because the bombers were caught red-handed. They were Russian, not Chechen, and when they were arrested by local police they flashed identity cards from the FSB - the new styling for the KGB, the secret police Putin headed before he became Russia's acting President. Two days later the FSB announced that the third bomb had only been 'a training exercise'.


The Kremlin's evidence that Chechen terrorists bombed Moscow is extremely thin. After the bomb outrages, secret police in the FSB handed out Photofit pictures of unnamed Chechens. No suspects were arrested and no convincing explanation was given to the public.


The third bomb was found in the basement of the flats on the night of 22 September at around 9pm. Tkachenko said: 'It was a live bomb. I was in a combat situation.' He tested the three sugar sacks in the basement with his MO-2 portable gas analyser, and got a positive reading for Hexagen, the explosive used in the Moscow bombs.


The timer of the detonator was set for 5.30am, which would have killed many of the 250 tenants of the 13-storey block of flats. The sacks were taken out of the basement at around 1.30 am and driven away by the FSB. But the secret police forgot to take away the detonator, which was left in the hands of the bomb squad. They photographed it the next day.


The bombers were discovered by the people they meant to kill. Vladimir Vasiliev, an engineer com ing home for the night, noticed three strangers acting suspiciously by the basement of his block of flats at 14/16 Novosyolov Street, literally New Settlers Street.


Vasiliev noticed that the number plate at the front of the car had been covered up with a piece of paper, on it '62', the Ryazan regional code. At the back of the car the plate had the Moscow regional code.


Vasiliev, puzzled, decided to call the police. 'As we were waiting for the lift, one of the young guys got out of the car and the girl asked: "Have you done everything?" '


Vasiliev observed the three in the car: 'They were Russian, absolutely, not Asiatic. The girl was a blonde.'


The local police arrested two men that night, according to Boris Kagarlitsky, a member of the Russian Institute of Comparative Politics. 'FSB officers were caught red-handed while planting the bomb. They were arrested by the police and they tried to save themselves by showing FSB identity cards.'


Then, when the headquarters of the FSB in Moscow intervened, the two men were quietly let go.


Police Inspector Andrei Chernyshev was the first to enter the basement. He said: 'It was about 10 in the evening. There were some strangers who were seen leaving the basement. We were told about the men who came out from the basement and left with the car with a licence number which was covered with paper. I went down to the basement.


'This block of flats had a very deep basement which was completely covered with water. We could see sacks of sugar and in them some electronic device, a few wires and a clock. We were shocked.


'We ran out of the basement and I stayed on watch by the entrance and my officers went to evacuate the people.'


The following day, on 24 September, the FSB in Moscow announced that there had never been a bomb, only a training exercise. Vasiliev said: 'I heard the official version on the radio, when the press secretary of the FSB announced it was a training exercise. It felt extremely unpleasant.'

 
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If China were sued over the pandemic, the US should be over Iraq

The pandemic is something that is referred to in law as an act of God. War is an act of man.

The Arab Weekly
Sunday 05/04/2020

62-251-U-S-iraq-reuters.jpg

17 years on.US troops block a highway in outskirts of Baghdad after a roadside bomb attack December 7, 2003.(Reuters)

News of a US intelligence report alleging Chinese fabrications about the coronavirus outbreak came in, coincidentally, the very week that marked the 17th anniversary of the American seizure of Baghdad International Airport.

The intelligence report on China and the pandemic was handed to the White House at the end of March. It was on April 4, 2003 that the United States took control of Baghdad airport, just a few miles from the centre of the Iraqi capital. The timing of the US report is unfortunate.

The allegation that China intentionally concealed the extent of the domestic outbreak is clearly meant to buttress attempts by American politicians to make a moral case that Beijing pay damages. What it actually does is revive memories of the false prospectus for the US-led invasion of Iraq.

The United States has not been held to account for its false public justification for invading a sovereign nation without provocation. It has not acknowledged moral responsibility for the millions of casualties inflicted by the war, the bloody sectarian civil strife that was subsequently triggered in Iraq and the destruction of basic infrastructure in the country. It has not compensated the Iraqi people, although it’s hard to even begin to tally the cost of decades of bloodshed, chaos and tragedy.

According to a 2019 estimate, the death toll from 16 years of US military intervention in Iraq stands at 2.4 million. How do you put a price on that?

In any case, if China were to be sued over the coronavirus pandemic, then the US should be sued over Iraq — and the case against the United States would be the stronger.

The Chinese government is protected by the doctrine of sovereign immunity and its obfuscations in the early days of the coronavirus outbreak do not constitute sufficient grounds for a waiver. But the legal precedent set by the post-Second World War Nuremberg trials is strong. During the tribunals, prosecutors successfully argued that the Nazi leadership was liable for crimes of aggression and crimes against humanity by invading sovereign nations without provocation.

In 2004, then UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan called the Iraq invasion “illegal.” In 2009, Benjamin Ferencz, one of the American prosecutors at Nuremberg, wrote that “a good argument could be made that the US invasion of Iraq was unlawful.” In 2010, the Dutch parliament called it a breach of international law. It was the first independent legal assessment of the decision to invade.

All of the above is worth remembering at this point of time. US President Donald Trump, his administration and members of his Republican Party continue to refer to Covid-19 as the “Chinese virus” or the “Wuhan virus.” They have been dropping dark hints about the reparations due from China. A Republican congresswoman and a Republican senator have introduced resolutions in the House and Senate respectively, calling for an international investigation into the Chinese Communist Party’s alleged cover-up of the early spread of the coronavirus and for China to pay back all affected nations.

But as Yale law Professor Stephen Carter recently noted, sovereign immunity is a “broad” doctrine, an act of reciprocity. The US 1976 Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act (FSIA) maintains that shared global understanding, with one US federal court saying FSIA is intended “to protect foreign sovereigns from the burdens of litigation, including the cost and aggravation of discovery.” It was only in 2016 that the United States passed the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA), which allows US citizens to sue foreign governments for terrorist acts such as 9/11 on American soil. President Barack Obama had vetoed it, warning that JASTA could expose American companies, troops and officials to lawsuits in other countries but Congress overrode him.

Obama’s warning assumes new importance now that the US administration seems keen to blame and shame China for the high costs of its behaviour. It’s entirely likely that this will renew the focus on the illegality of the Iraq invasion and its terrible toll. In December 2016, the US Ninth Circuit Federal Court of Appeals heard the only case ever filed in the United States that questioned the legality of the Iraq war. The court affirmed immunity for the executive branch, no matter the scale of the crime.

But then on October 9, Trump tweeted that the United States “went to war under a false & now disproven premise” and that “millions of people have died on the other side.” Trump’s fulminations were the first such admission by a sitting US president. The tweet could be seen as official acceptance by the US government that the Iraq war was wrong and resulted in mass murder. It may not necessarily result in a viable prosecution of the US government. However, it does highlight a key difference between America’s war in Iraq and China’s actions after the coronavirus outbreak. The pandemic is something that is referred to in law as an act of God. War is an act of man.

https://thearabweekly.com/if-china-were-sued-over-pandemic-us-should-be-over-iraq

how many times do i have to explain this to you all? insanitary conditions at live animal markets both created the corona virus, and spread it to a human population in the numbers required for it to become a pandemic.

so these are not the laws of the Gods at play, they are the habits of mankind!
 
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@waz @HAIDER @Horus @WebMaster @jaibi

Please take care of this foul mouth!

Europe's own Italian doctors are not buying into the lie that this virus started in Wuhan:

GIUSEPPE REMUZZI: That they remember having seen very strange pneumonias, very severe, particularly in old people, in December and even in November. It means that the virus was circulating at least in Lombardy before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China.


Source: National Public Radio of USA
 
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how many times do i have to explain this to you all? insanitary conditions at live animal markets both created the corona virus, and spread it to a human population in the numbers required for it to become a pandemic.

so these are not the laws of the Gods at play, they are the habits of mankind!
You are so naive! Live animal market exist for thousand of years and never it start a epidemic so infectious. If somebody Intend to destroy u, it will start no matter what hygenie or matter u practice!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/orinoc...ames-delegation-spread-covid-19-in-wuhan/amp/

Tell me why US until now has not release any information about M.benassi? Did she infected by covid-19 or not? If infected, when? Why US never respond to this allegation?
 
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This is just absurd to make China pay the rest of the World. America would love to since it owes China a huge sum of money. No organization is actually going to sue
The only thing american learn from Indian is how to play the blame game! Anything screw up themselves, easy way out. Find a scapegoat!
 
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Whom shall Pakistan sue for exporting COVID to Pakistan!
It's definitely not China, actually they were helpful in controlling the spread in Pakistan.
 
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