If china had not attacked india, would pakistan have won the 65 war?

[Shinigami]

Also instills confidence in ones abilities.
After all.. sobbing about being a loser isnt healthy is it?

no but one must accept the truth and learn from his mistakes, something the PA failed to do after the 65 war, but the IA did apparently rather well.

The Pakistan Army From 1965 to 1971

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Exactly. 2 very important things happened in 1965 war which helped India in 1971.
The first was that Pakistan left East-Pakistan (now Bangladesh), which formed almost 50% of Pakistans population and landmass, completely unprotected from an Indian attack. This contributed to Bangladeshis disenchantment with Pakistan caused the unrest in East-Pakistan in 1971, which India exploited to the fullest.
The second was the learning that Indian military got in the 1965 war. Indian got to know Pakistans military strategies, strengths and weaknesses which it used to the fullest to its advantage in 1971. The most important lesson learnt was that India could check-mate Pakistan in Western sector. This was important because, Pakistans whole military strategy in East Pakistan was based on the premise that 'defence of East was in the west' i.e. in case of war in East-Pakistan, west-Pakistan would make huge territorial gains in the west Viz. J&K, Punjab and Sindh sectors, that they can negotiate a cession of hostilities with India on its own terms. The 1965 war gave confidence to the Indian military strategists that it can counter Pakistans military strategies to defend its Eastern wing.
So in effect, what Pakistan started in 1965, India ended in 1971, with a complete and emphatic victory.

sorry but Bangladesh is not Pakistan's 50% landmass
Bangladesh is 143,998 sq km (55,598 sq miles)

Pakistan is mainland 796,095 sq km (307,374 sq miles), + Pakistani-administered Kashmir (83,716 sq km/32,323 sq miles)

= 879,811 sq km or 339,697 sq mi
Pakistan 879,811 /Bangladesh 143,998 = 6.109883470603758

Pakistan is more then 6 times the size of Bangladesh


BBC News - Pakistan country profile

 

[LiberalAtheist]

the IA under Nehru was a incipient and rudimentary fighting force the Pakistani army could have succeeded in operation grand slam however the delay caused by replacing military commanders at the height of the attack (which was a folly) caused Pakistans defeat the delay gave India enough time to send forces into Kashmir and made India attack south into Punjab which caused the shifting of forces from Kashmir to Punjab in order to protect lahore. when the IA reached the outskirts of Lahore and the PA was kicked out of Indian Kashmir our mission had been completed. had Pakistan stuck to its original plans during op grand slam they could have taken over a good portion of Kashmir.


the Sino Indian war was a wake up call that showed the ineffectiveness and weakness of the IA which is why we spend so much on our military even today this is the cornerstone of Indian military

 

[NeutralCitizen]

65 war was a complete waste, Pakistan never won it, Pakistan Could have even more parts of Kashmir or even the entire thing if it Attack during the 1962 war.

 

[KS]

No it would not have...

The fighting core of the Indian Army was always stationed at the Pakistan border and it was the well trained,decently equipped part of the Indian Army.

Nehru thought that the principles of Panch Sheel will be enough to deter a Chinese invasion and did not station or stationed a poorly equipped part of the Indian army in the eastern sector.

 

[Shinigami]

50 years since 1962 war

 

[Bhairava]

Nope.

Whether or not China would have attacked India in '62, Pakistan would not have won for the simple reason the best trained and equipped troops were always on the Western front and infrastructurally India did not face the same challenge it faced on the Eastern front which was always neglected thanks to deluded policies like Panchsheel.

 

[bandit]

PA would have achieved its achieved its target of Akhnoor nevertheless. It appears they deliberately let their objective get away.

Whatever advantage Pakistan had.. was in the capture of Akhnur.. which was the sole jugular of Kashmir then..
however.. Ayub's dilly dallying and lack of decision led to a half launched Op Grand slam..And gave Gen Chaudry the time to launch operation "Ablaze".

Some say Ayub and his generals were too worried about stirring up the hornets nest if they succeeded in their objective, especially after they nearly lost Lahore.

They got weak in the knees anticipating Indian response especially since China wasn't going to support Pakistan, they couldnt face the Indian forces for too long.

 

[Mav3rick]

We did not lose to Pakistan. The war resulted in a stalemate and then a UN sponsored ceasefire was accepted by both the countries. According to neutral assessments Pakistan lost heavily. check wikipedia

Is that why India accepted the ceasefire a day earlier then Pakistan? Is that why Shastri had a fatal heart attack? Son, just because there are over 1.2 Billion Indians, their words do not become facts! And as far as 'Neutral' assessments go, there were 'assessments' declaring heavy losses on Indian sides too whereas India rejected 'neutral' arbitration!!!!

If china had not attacked India,Had they not defeated us in 1962,

Then

Nehru would have been the Prime minister and Menon would have been defence minister.While Nehru lived in fear of a military coup,Menon was a Attention Wh0re who hated the generals.

The defeat in case of war with pakistan would have been certain.Not only would we had lost kashmir but unless someone somewhere would have shown extreme valour,the wet dream of pakistan of reaching Delhi would have materialised.

It is like asking whether Indian railway could avoid bankruptsy with mamta bannerjee/mukul roy as railway minister.

Even this is stupid propaganda.....all Pakistan ever wanted was Kashmir, all of it.

 

[Mav3rick]

Marginal?? By the end of war India had exhausted only 20% of her supplies as compared with 80% of Pak...I wish our generals had given correct assessment to Lal Bahadur Shastri...Anyhow bygones are bygones...

Yeah right, Indian generals were that stupid and incompetent, either that or those who believe that India had not exhausted almost all her ammo are stupid. Which one is it?

Pakistanis are taught that they won this war.

Well, aren't the Indians??

 

[lkozhi]

Is that why India accepted the ceasefire a day earlier then Pakistan? Is that why Shastri had a fatal heart attack? Son, just because there are over 1.2 Billion Indians, their words do not become facts! And as far as 'Neutral' assessments go, there were 'assessments' declaring heavy losses on Indian sides too whereas India rejected 'neutral' arbitration!!!!



Even this is stupid propaganda.....all Pakistan ever wanted was Kashmir, all of it.

Video time for you baby...

 

[lkozhi]

 

[Mav3rick]

Video time for you baby...

Youtube is banned in Pakistan!!

 

[Foo_Fighter]

Ok it goes like this: (blame my education and research for my delusions please)

1. India had some posts on NE and Kashmir at higher positions
2. China had no agressions plan, but as they have proved to the world they prepared for something imminent while we were just orgasming over "WHAT COULD"
3. Nehru though... "WHY NOT?"
4. Indian Army "WTF?"
5. Chinese Army, better plan, better equipment, better strategy and better leadership went on a mission
6. Indian Army had no mission till the last time scattered posts were left to realise, either rout or die (some died some routed - Natural isn't it?)
7. A full out skirmish (both AF were shyt so don't expect some AF to intervene from either side, it will even be difficult today with the terrain)
8. Indian army was owerwhelmed (nothing to do with courage, just better thinking and planning, no wonder Chinese doubt our IQ)
9. Chinese were NOT aggressor, they had to do what they did

Now conclusion: No one got any productive site, once good relations are still sour... and best of all we both are doing well... so let's hail to the way it works cozz its not in out control!

You are NEXT!!!

 

[--,-'{@]

all i want to know is why pak dint attack India in 1962 itself ?