If Allah(SWT) sent the Mahdi next year, would you follow him?

[Placemat]

Then you don't understand one bit of Islam, which leads to rendering all your criticism of Islam biased, uncalled for and personal opinions. What you call political expansion and invasion of Islam ....... was actually based on fight for this divine right of humans against the oppression.

Your societies just didn't come into being from start, it was all result of divine intervention ..... the guidance. The evolution just didn't happen on its own it had a guiding force behind it. Leave a human child in wild today away from other humans, and he will grow feral .....

The human child will die. The human child survives because of society he grows in.
Anyways, we should stop.i cannot be converted to your views and you to mine.
We circle around to the dusagreement and the core of it is that you believe there is a divine guidance. I believe that these are hard fought and evolutionary in nature and this is self contained. Thanks.

 

[I.R.A]

The human child will die. The human child survives because of society he grows in.

You are not even updated with news from your own country.

Just google Feral Children in India and you would know, its not always the case.

Anyways, we should stop.i cannot be converted to your views and you to mine.

I am not trying to convert you, nor I have any intention. But when you call Islamic conquests political and for want of territory ...... I have the right to tell you to get your facts straight. If refining your research and reading material that doesn't suit your taste ..... makes it an attempt on your conversion. Then that's your problem not mine.

We circle around to the dusagreement and the core of it is that you believe there is a divine guidance. I believe that these are hard fought and evolutionary in nature and this is self contained. Thanks.

You are entitled to your belief, no matter how much incorrect and illogical that may be. No problems. Thanks and have a great remaining day.

 

[Placemat]

You are not even updated with news from your own country.

Just google Feral Children in India and you would know, its not always the case.



I am not trying to convert you, nor I have any intention. But when you call Islamic conquests political and for want of territory ...... I have the right to tell you to get your facts straight. If refining your research and reading material that doesn't suit your taste ..... makes it an attempt on your conversion. Then that's your problem not mine.



You are entitled to your belief, no matter how much incorrect and illogical that may be. No problems. Thanks and have a great remaining day.

You are not even updated with news from your own country.

Just google Feral Children in India and you would know, its not always the case.



I am not trying to convert you, nor I have any intention. But when you call Islamic conquests political and for want of territory ...... I have the right to tell you to get your facts straight. If refining your research and reading material that doesn't suit your taste ..... makes it an attempt on your conversion. Then that's your problem not mine.



You are entitled to your belief, no matter how much incorrect and illogical that may be. No problems. Thanks and have a great remaining day.

Yes indeed one is entitled to a belief however illogical.
I still stand by saying that Islam and to an extent the Church are political vehicles.
Read the book Sapiens to get an idea of what I mean by saying that myths are created by man to establish a social order which would work in unison to produce amazing results. Religion is the rallying point. Politics is the end result if such social constructs.
Islam didn't have the equivalent of one church but still has varied clergy so comparisons can be made.
Anyways you have a nice day too.

 

[I.R.A]

Yes indeed one is entitled to a belief however illogical.
I still stand by saying that Islam and to an extent the Church are political vehicles.
Read the book Sapiens to get an idea of what I mean by saying that myths are created by man to establish a social order which would work in unison to produce amazing results. Religion is the rallying point. Politics is the end result if such social constructs.
Islam didn't have the equivalent of one church but still has varied clergy so comparisons can be made.
Anyways you have a nice day too.

I being Muslim can confirm you one thing ...... Islam was and is a threat to Clergy, capitalists, kings and man made religions, the reason I said free will and freedom of choice are divine rights of humans. The rest is up to you, if you still think that you have enough knowledge about Islam your choice, but I would say you don't.

The man and the message can remain separate. You are mixing both. You are blaming Islam for what I do in my personal capacity ......... it would be better if you would have a detailed reading of what actually was the need for Islam despite Christianity and Judaism already being practiced.

 

[El Sidd]

Politicology of Religion is a discipline of Political Science. And political discussions aren't banned here, I believe

So tell me, half of the Muslims rally behind some caliph and half do not give a damn. Will that be terrorism?

 

[litman]

If someone's rejecting the return of Hz Isa, what difficulty is there in rejecting Dajjal too.
Sadly they cannot reject Yajooj Majooj as well due to its unambiguous mention in the Quran. All of it goes together in the end of times. But then again there is nothing stopping someone to concoct another fantastical interpretation to reject Yajooj Majooj too

actually some people want everything in Quran. complete history, science, philosophy, escatalogy everything should be in the Quran for them to accept it. abu jahal was known as abu alhikmat before islam.

No, that's not true. Not all scholars who do not believe in the second coming of Jesus negate all the hadith.
As for the Bible, Muslims do not negate it completely, nor do they accept it in its entirety.



No matter how much you want to deny it, the fact remains that there is no mention of the second coming of Jesus in the Holy Qur'an. As for Hadith and Bible, no one is denying that the second coming of Jesus/Isa is mentioned clearly and categorically in the Bible and in some Ahadith. As argued by the Grand Mufti of Egypt, Sheikh Muhammad Abduh, the concept of second coming of Jesus predates Islam, the Holy Qur'an makes no clear mention of it, and this concept, like many other Judeo-Christian concepts, crept into Islam much later, through secondary sources.



Imam Malik did not include any Hadith regarding the second coming of Jesus in his Muwatta as all chains of narrators had one Ibn e Shihab Al-Zuhri in them, Zuhri was considered unreliable by Imam Malik, in part, due to his Shiite leanings. Shia belief in the second coming of Jesus (and his relation to Imam Mahdi A.S) is very strong. They believe that Jesus will descend from the sky to help Imam Mahdi (when he re-appears) and he will pray behind Mahdi (Shias believe that Imams are higher in status/position than prophets other than Muhammad SAW)... In fact, Shias defend the doctrine of occultation and subsequent re-appearance of their 12th Imam, Imam Mahdi, by quoting the example of the second coming of Jesus. Imam Mahdi, according to Shia, is the eleventh direct descendant of Ali A.S who was born in 868 CE, and who has been in hiding/(major) occultation since 941 C.E and will 'reappear' near the end times, along with Isa Ibn Maryam.
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@I.R.A

its upto you dear whether to accept it or not. i am convinced with 99% educated scholars say about Quran, hadith and bible and for me their logic is strong as compare to those who negate these things. and one thing more we have to get rid of shia sunii fight if we really want to know the truth as jannah is neither for sunnis and nor for shias . it s for muslims only.

I wonder why PDF management refuses to apply its own rules consistently, this thread being yet another example.

there is no fight going on in this thread. healthy religious discussion should not be a problem for any one unless somebody speaks non sense for the sake of trolling against someone's sect or religion. if you are interested in this thread you can leave it .

 

[VCheng]

healthy religious discussion

That term has been shown to be an oxymoron time and again on PDF. Management made the rule banning religious discussions for good reasons. I am happy to just read the thread.

 

[Lagay Raho]

i dont think there is any mahdi, only Prophet Esa (AS) will come in the end times

 

[Falcon29]

Bottomline , the Mahdi is real and a non-prophet. The Prophet Isa coming back is real as well, he will end the Dajjal and hide the believers from Gog and Magog. Then he will rule for 40 years or a time period around that.

This is not a political or religious discussion thread. Let me be clear about that, this is a finished matter that is real. I'm going to give people anxiety on this thread. Stay away if you can't handle it. The coming years are for the believers.

 

[VCheng]

Bottomline , the Mahdi is real and a non-prophet. The Prophet Isa coming back is real as well, he will end the Dajjal and hide the believers from Gog and Magog. Then he will rule for 40 years or a time period around that.

This is not a political or religious discussion thread. Let me be clear about that, this is a finished matter that is real. I'm going to give people anxiety on this thread. Stay away if you can't handle it. The coming years are for the believers.

And just what do you mean by "real" when you declare the matter as such?

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[Menace2Society]

Absolute 100% fiction.

 

[Falcon29]

And just what do you mean by "real" when you declare the matter as such?

It means I'm not imagining things. I can assure you he's real and alive. And the scholars who will demand he take the bayah know him and will be there at the Haram after some events unfold. The Mahdi will not know any of them. Allah(SWT) has appointed them for that task.

Just wait and see, you don't have to take my word for it.

 

[VCheng]

It means I'm not imagining things. I can assure you he's real and alive. And the scholars who will demand he take the bayah know him and will be there at the Haram after some events unfold. The Mahdi will not know any of them. Allah(SWT) has appointed them for that task.

I can respect your belief that he is real for you. Any assurance beyond that is impossible due to lack of evidence.

 

[Falcon29]

I can respect your belief that he is real for you. Any assurance beyond that is impossible due to lack of evidence.

I'm going to break the news for you guys on this thread. If not me, someone else. I'm sorry his identity needs to remain a secret until then.

You guys in the meantime can not take this thread with seriousness and thats understandable. But, I guarantee all of you will come back to this thread and suspect something is up. May Allah guide us back to the right path.

 

[VCheng]

I'm going to break the news for you guys on this thread. If not me, someone else. I'm sorry his identity needs to remain a secret until then.

You guys in the meantime can not take this thread with seriousness and thats understandable. But, I guarantee all of you will come back to this thread and suspect something is up. May Allah guide us back to the right path.

I will wait for the news, then.