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If Allah(SWT) sent the Mahdi next year, would you follow him?

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What kind of threads I’m coming across in recent times?
What kind of weird question is that?

Please kindly refrain from sensitive issues to discuss on pdf. Surly, you can discuss religion & the connection it has with Pakistan’s constitution, other than that, create a Facebook or WhatsApp group and go discuss there.

Its a normal thread and not a religious discussion one. I think you are too uneasy about it.
 
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Its a normal thread and not a religious discussion one. I think you are too uneasy about it.

Be reasonable please. People are sharing Hadiths and giving references and you telling me it isn’t one religious discussion.
 
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Be reasonable please. People are sharing Hadiths and giving references and you telling me it isn’t one religious discussion.

Yes, because they arent addressing question. Every school of thought believes in ahadeeth and accept the end times signs mentioned in Hadith. Some people belonging to these school of thoughts are ironically rejecting their own beliefs.

The question was just to see how people would react to said situation. And in the beginning most responses were on topic. We don't know the unseen and we aren't claiming anything. Just a proposed scenario. And maybe some observations around this topic.

People are too uncomfortable with normal discussions. Its okay to have difference of opinions. It's encouraged to provide sources supporting arguments though. I think discussion can be had without trouble and no reason for mods to lock every thread.
 
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I have seen mummies in museum which had traces of tobacco and cocaine in them. Although both were native to South America but the Mummy was excavated in Egypt in later dynasty period.



Can you quote that verse here?

Thanks
That's a great tidbit of information. Maybe this was global
 
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LIST OF SAHIH HADITH MENTIONING THE RETURN OF HZ ISA, muttawatir Hadith that complement what exists in the Quran regarding his return

1) Hadith
(Chain)حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا اللَّيْثُ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ الْمُسَيَّبِ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ يَقُولُ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be Abu ndance of money and nobody will accept charitable gifts.

Sahih al-Bukhari 2222
In-book : Book 34, Hadith 169
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 3, Book 34, Hadith 425 (deprecated)


2) Hadith
(Chain)حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، حَدَّثَنَا الزُّهْرِيُّ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي سَعِيدُ بْنُ الْمُسَيَّبِ، سَمِعَ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in Abu ndance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

Sahih al-Bukhari 2476
In-book : Book 46, Hadith 37
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 3, Book 43, Hadith 656 (deprecated)



3) Hadith
(Chain)
حَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ، أَخْبَرَنَا يَعْقُوبُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي، عَنْ صَالِحٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، أَنَّ سَعِيدَ بْنَ الْمُسَيَّبِ، سَمِعَ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in Abu ndance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): -- 'And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (1:e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4:159) (See Fath-ul-Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)


Sahih al-Bukhari 3448
In-book : Book 60, Hadith 118
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 657 (deprecated)

4) Hadith
(Chain)
حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ بُكَيْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا اللَّيْثُ، عَنْ يُونُسَ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ نَافِعٍ، مَوْلَى أَبِي قَتَادَةَ الأَنْصَارِيِّ أَنَّ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said "How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and your imam is among you."

Sahih al-Bukhari 3449
In-book : Book 60, Hadith 119
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 658 (deprecated)

5) Hadith
(Chain)
حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا لَيْثٌ،
وَحَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رُمْحٍ، أَخْبَرَنَا اللَّيْثُ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ الْمُسَيَّبِ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، يَقُولُ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏
Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:

By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary (ﷺ) will soon descend among you as a just judge. He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish Jizya and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it.

Sahih Muslim 155 a
In-book : Book 1, Hadith 296
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 1, Hadith 287 (deprecated)

6) Hadith
(Chain)حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا لَيْثٌ، عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ مِينَاءَ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، أَنَّهُ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏
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It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger or Allah (ﷺ) observed:

I swear by Allah that the son of Mary will certainly descend as a just judge and he would definitely break the cross, and kill swine and abolish Jizya and would leave the young she-camel and no one would endeavour to (collect Zakat on it). Spite, mutual hatred and jealousy against one another will certainly disappear and when he summons people to accept wealth, not even one would do so.

Sahih Muslim 155 c
In-book : Book 1, Hadith 298
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 1, Hadith 289 (deprecated)

7) Hadith
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حَدَّثَنِي حَرْمَلَةُ بْنُ يَحْيَى، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ وَهْبٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي يُونُسُ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي نَافِعٌ، مَوْلَى أَبِي قَتَادَةَ الأَنْصَارِيِّ أَنَّ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) observed:

What will be your state when the son of Mary descends amongst you and there will be an Imam amongst you?

Sahih Muslim 155 d
In-book : Book 1, Hadith 299
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 1, Hadith 290 (deprecated)

8) Hadith
(Chain)
وَحَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ حَاتِمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا يَعْقُوبُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ أَخِي ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ عَمِّهِ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي نَافِعٌ، مَوْلَى أَبِي قَتَادَةَ الأَنْصَارِيِّ أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، يَقُولُ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that he heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying:

What would you do when the son of Mary would descend and lead you?

Sahih Muslim 155 e
In-book : Book 1, Hadith 300
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 1, Hadith 291 (deprecated)

9) Hadith
(Chain)
وَحَدَّثَنَا زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، حَدَّثَنِي الْوَلِيدُ بْنُ مُسْلِمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ أَبِي ذِئْبٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ نَافِعٍ، مَوْلَى أَبِي قَتَادَةَ عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏‏

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) observed:

What would you do when the son of Mary would descend amongst you and would lead you as one amongst you? Ibn Abi Dhi'b on the authority of Abu Huraira narrated: Your leader amongst you. Ibn Abi Dhi'b said: Do you know what the words:" He would lead as one amongst you" mean? I said: Explain these to me. He said: He would lead you according to the Book of your: Lord (hallowed be He and most exalted) and the Sunnah of your Apostle (ﷺ).

Sahih Muslim 155 f
In-book : Book 1, Hadith 301
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 1, Hadith 292 (deprecated)

10) Hadith
(Chain)
حَدَّثَنَا الْوَلِيدُ بْنُ شُجَاعٍ، وَهَارُونُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، وَحَجَّاجُ بْنُ الشَّاعِرِ، قَالُوا حَدَّثَنَا حَجَّاجٌ، - وَهُوَ ابْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ - عَنِ ابْنِ جُرَيْجٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو الزُّبَيْرِ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ ‏

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported:

I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: A section of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. He said: Jesus son of Mary would then descend and their (Muslims') commander would invite him to come and lead them in prayer, but he would say: No, some amongst you are commanders over some (amongst you). This is the honour from Allah for this Ummah.

Sahih Muslim 156
In-book : Book 1, Hadith 302
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 1, Hadith 293 (deprecated)

11) Hadith
(Chain)
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو خَيْثَمَةَ، زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ وَإِسْحَاقُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَابْنُ أَبِي عُمَرَ الْمَكِّيُّ - وَاللَّفْظُ لِزُهَيْرٍ - قَالَ إِسْحَاقُ أَخْبَرَنَا وَقَالَ الآخَرَانِ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ بْنُ عُيَيْنَةَ، عَنْ فُرَاتٍ، الْقَزَّازِ عَنْ أَبِي الطُّفَيْلِ، عَنْ حُذَيْفَةَ بْنِ أَسِيدٍ الْغِفَارِيِّ، قَالَ اطَّلَعَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم
Hudhaifa b. Usaid al-Ghifari reported:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came to us all of a sudden as we were (busy in a discussion). He said: What do you discuss about? They (the Companions) said. We are discussing about the Last Hour. Thereupon he said: It will not come until you see ten signs before and (in this connection) he made a mention of the smoke, Dajjal, the beast, the rising of the sun from the west, the descent of Jesus son of Mary (Allah be pleased with him), the Gog and Magog, and land-slides in three places, one in the east, one in the west and one in Arabia at the end of which fire would burn forth from the Yemen, and would drive people to the place of their assembly.

Sahih Muslim 2901 a
In-book : Book 54, Hadith 51
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 41, Hadith 6931 (deprecated)

12) Hadith
(Chain)
حَدَّثَنَا عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُعَاذٍ الْعَنْبَرِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنْ فُرَاتٍ الْقَزَّازِ، عَنْ أَبِي الطُّفَيْلِ، عَنْ أَبِي سَرِيحَةَ، حُذَيْفَةَ بْنِ أَسِيدٍ قَالَ كَانَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم

Hudhaifa b. Usaid reported:

Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) was in an apartment and we were beneath that, that he peeped in and said to us: What are you discussing about? We said: (We are discussing about the Last) Hour. Thereupon he said: The Last Hour would not come until the ten signs appear: land-sliding in the east, and land-sliding in the west, and land-sliding in the peninsula of Arabia, the smoke, the Dajjal, the beast of the earth, Gog and Magog, the rising of the sun from the west and the fire which would emit from the lower part of 'Adan. Shu'ba said that 'Abd al-'Aziz b. Rufai' reported on the authority of Abu Tufail who reported on the authority of Abu Sariha a hadith like this that Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) did not make a mention of (the tenth sign) but he said that out of the ten one was the descent of Jesus Christ, son of Mary (peace be upon him), and in another version it is the blowing of the violent gale which would drive the people to the ocean.

Sahih Muslim 2901 b
In-book : Book 54, Hadith 52
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 41, Hadith 6932 (deprecated)


13) Hadith
(Chain)
حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، وَهَنَّادٌ، - الْمَعْنَى - قَالَ مُسَدَّدٌ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الأَحْوَصِ، حَدَّثَنَا فُرَاتٌ الْقَزَّازُ، عَنْ عَامِرِ بْنِ وَاثِلَةَ، - وَقَالَ هَنَّادٌ عَنْ أَبِي الطُّفَيْلِ، - عَنْ حُذَيْفَةَ بْنِ أَسِيدٍ الْغِفَارِيِّ، قَالَ كُنَّا قُعُودًا نَتَحَدَّثُ فِي ظِلِّ غُرْفَةٍ لِرَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم

Hudhaifah b. Asid al-Ansari said :

We were sitting in the shade of the chamber of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) discussing (something) and when we mentioned the last hour, our voices rose high. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: The last hour will not come or happen until there appear ten signs before it : the rising of the sun in its place of setting, the coming forth of the beast, the coming forth of Gog and Magog, the Dajjal (Antichrist), (the descent of) Jesus son of Mary, the smoke, and three collapses of the earth: one in the west, one in the east, and one in the Arabian Peninsula. The last of that will be the emergence of a fire from Yemen, from the lowest part of Aden, and drive mankind to their place of assembly.

Sahih (Al-Albani)

Sunan Abi Dawud 4311
In-book : Book 39, Hadith 21
English translation : Book 38, Hadith 4297

(Few excluded due to lenght)
Jazak Allah
 
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Yes, because they arent addressing question. Every school of thought believes in ahadeeth and accept the end times signs mentioned in Hadith. Some people belonging to these school of thoughts are ironically rejecting their own beliefs.

The question was just to see how people would react to said situation. And in the beginning most responses were on topic. We don't know the unseen and we aren't claiming anything. Just a proposed scenario. And maybe some observations around this topic.

People are too uncomfortable with normal discussions. Its okay to have difference of opinions. It's encouraged to provide sources supporting arguments though. I think discussion can be had without trouble and no reason for mods to lock every thread.

Is it a religious discussion or not?
 
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Twelfth

@Sarmad @litman I think there's a mention of Fitna maseeh dajjal in the Quran?

The Twelfth Imam but the eleventh from the descendants of Imam Ali A.S (the first Imam) upon whom Imamat was bestowed by Allah Almighty, as per Shia belief

twelve-imams-chart.jpg



And no, there is no mention of Fitna e Dajjal in the Holy Qur'an
 
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Let's assume Allah(SWT) answered the prayers of Muslims(to help this Ummah), and enabled for an environment where certain righteous/sincere Muslims can look or agree on a righteous man to lead the Muslims, and he happens to be the Mahdi. Would you follow him immediately? Assuming conditions are met to prove that?

If one is a true Muslim, not a part-time one, and not one that claims one thing and does another. And if one is a true Muslim, he would already be preparing for the advent of Imam-ul-Mahdi. A true Muslim would know exactly what reason Imam-ul-Mahdi will arrive amongst the Ummah. A true Muslim would know Imam-ul-Mahdi's objectives and would know to prepare accordingly. So yes, a True Muslim would nit just join Imam-ul-Mahdi, but would also know where to look for him, and whether he is the real deal or not. Because a True Muslin's Qalb is guided by Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah.
 
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