All-Green
Actually Hellfire you are not a Pakistani so do not mind when i say you cannot really comment with full background here.
The comments were in conjunction with the posts and views expressed and analysis of the same. Really has nothing to do with a need for knowledge of Pakistani Demography and history.
Its the logical extension of studying origination of insurgency movements world over. As such, the parameters are roughly the same, as also is the evolution, only certain variables may differ in import or implications.
And being an Indian, and a typical one at that, I guess my response would have been, "you are going to get your back sides kicked all the more if you adopt this. And we will ensure it happens as such". A gleeful moment truly!!!!
But since this forum is not about jingoism IMO, nor about rhetoric, I think safely I can comment on the comments posted and any absurdity/falsification can be corrected by other members.
There is no need to establish IDP camps far away from SWAT.
It is downright stupid to even suggest at this point in time and will not only be logistically a bad desicion but also need much more scrutiy and checks because instead of SWATIs reaching such a far off camp the chances of others occuppying and leeching onto the fundings are much more real and will have a much higher percentage!
If you factor in the immense heat in Punjab it will be a torture...this is the worst weather of the year in Punjab and many people here also die of heatstrokes!
Facilitation of the camps should be done in secure regions locally I agree. However, such an attitude as exhibited by GoPu as a public policy statement, is something which is a worrisome prosepect at best.
As such, any displaced citizen of Pakistan, who feels secure outside NWFP and wishes to seek temporary refuge in any other part, can be thoroughly vetted and then placed in suitable camps. Irrespective of what you say, or imply, the fact is that it is better to have camps where all can be kept under closed watch and monitored continuously rather than having them roam around in small groups all over Pakistan in case attempts are made to restrict them to NWFP and they have different plans. You shall find merit in this view if you were to look at it from POV of easiness in vigil being kept on such displaced citizens.
For your information do have a look at the history of Pakistan, its Presidents, Prime Ministers, Military Chiefs, Governors and IGs...you will see how stupid this Punjabi dominance claim really is.
I know it. And have said Pakistani Society is progressive in earlier posts elsewhere too and also about the tolerant nature of it (in thread concerning Sikhs and Indian intervention or something).
However, what I know and believe is not going to convince the local perception being held, wrongly or rightly, and that is a seed for insurrection IMO.
On the other hand also see the names of the martyrs in the Swat conflict...you will see many Punjabis here so all this conspiracy theory of Punjab lurking in the shadows and making others suffer is BS of the highest order
Obviously its PA = Pakistani Army and not Punjabi Army, so its pluralistic in representation and they are fighting for Pakistan and not some tract of land. So the above point was understood without saying. However, its the attitude of GoPu that I have denounced. Not PA. They are doing their bit in an exemplary manner.
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Actually Hellfire you are not a Pakistani so do not mind when i say you cannot really comment with full background here.
The comments were in conjunction with the posts and views expressed and analysis of the same. Really has nothing to do with a need for knowledge of Pakistani Demography and history.
Its the logical extension of studying origination of insurgency movements world over. As such, the parameters are roughly the same, as also is the evolution, only certain variables may differ in import or implications.
And being an Indian, and a typical one at that, I guess my response would have been, "you are going to get your back sides kicked all the more if you adopt this. And we will ensure it happens as such". A gleeful moment truly!!!!
But since this forum is not about jingoism IMO, nor about rhetoric, I think safely I can comment on the comments posted and any absurdity/falsification can be corrected by other members.
There is no need to establish IDP camps far away from SWAT.
It is downright stupid to even suggest at this point in time and will not only be logistically a bad desicion but also need much more scrutiy and checks because instead of SWATIs reaching such a far off camp the chances of others occuppying and leeching onto the fundings are much more real and will have a much higher percentage!
If you factor in the immense heat in Punjab it will be a torture...this is the worst weather of the year in Punjab and many people here also die of heatstrokes!
Facilitation of the camps should be done in secure regions locally I agree. However, such an attitude as exhibited by GoPu as a public policy statement, is something which is a worrisome prosepect at best.
As such, any displaced citizen of Pakistan, who feels secure outside NWFP and wishes to seek temporary refuge in any other part, can be thoroughly vetted and then placed in suitable camps. Irrespective of what you say, or imply, the fact is that it is better to have camps where all can be kept under closed watch and monitored continuously rather than having them roam around in small groups all over Pakistan in case attempts are made to restrict them to NWFP and they have different plans. You shall find merit in this view if you were to look at it from POV of easiness in vigil being kept on such displaced citizens.
For your information do have a look at the history of Pakistan, its Presidents, Prime Ministers, Military Chiefs, Governors and IGs...you will see how stupid this Punjabi dominance claim really is.
I know it. And have said Pakistani Society is progressive in earlier posts elsewhere too and also about the tolerant nature of it (in thread concerning Sikhs and Indian intervention or something).
However, what I know and believe is not going to convince the local perception being held, wrongly or rightly, and that is a seed for insurrection IMO.
On the other hand also see the names of the martyrs in the Swat conflict...you will see many Punjabis here so all this conspiracy theory of Punjab lurking in the shadows and making others suffer is BS of the highest order
Obviously its PA = Pakistani Army and not Punjabi Army, so its pluralistic in representation and they are fighting for Pakistan and not some tract of land. So the above point was understood without saying. However, its the attitude of GoPu that I have denounced. Not PA. They are doing their bit in an exemplary manner.
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That's why I see such an open embrace of those fine pashtu Pakistanis in this thread by the Punjabi gov't, I suppose.
