Ideas to Begin a welfare Nation Concept in Pakistan

[CriticalThought]

The Problem Pakistan faces is simple we lack a cohesive nationalism because the masses and pseudo intellectuals have ignorant base knowledge of history of the region also there is too much butt kissing to all things foreign be it the Arabs Turks,Iranians and Chinese 2nd faux traditionalism and super Muslim complex we feel the urge to tell other Muslims what lifestyle to live yet we don't follow our words on it

We have problems at many different levels. At the lowest level, we have the problem of Waderas, feudals, and politicians keeping poor masses uneducated so they are very much like vassals. Then we have the problem in government schools where education is a joke. It mostly imparts basic literacy and forces students to cram knowledge into their brains. The situation only gets slightly better with private schools, but because of the way our matric and intermediate exams are structured and marked, the problem with rote learning remains. Then we have the cambridge system which encourages independent thought but poisons students' minds with anti-religious and anti-Pakistan sentiments and nurtures in them a liking for Western values. When these youth move into government jobs, they are such mindless servants to Western masters, they see salvation in throwing themselves at their feet. A large proportion of Pakistanis cannot independently solve real world problems using a scientific, knowledge based approach. Thus you see things like the Chinese coming to Pakistan to help us with CPEC, and IMF sending their team to head FBR etc.

 

[Yankee-stani]

We have problems at many different levels. At the lowest level, we have the problem of Waderas, feudals, and politicians keeping poor masses uneducated so they are very much like vassals. Then we have the problem in government schools where education is a joke. It mostly imparts basic literacy and forces students to cram knowledge into their brains. The situation only gets slightly better with private schools, but because of the way our matric and intermediate exams are structured and marked, the problem with rote learning remains. Then we have the cambridge system which encourages independent thought but poisons students' minds with anti-religious and anti-Pakistan sentiments and nurtures in them a liking for Western values. When these youth move into government jobs, they are such mindless servants to Western masters, they see salvation in throwing themselves at their feet. A large proportion of Pakistanis cannot independently solve real world problems using a scientific, knowledge based approach. Thus you see things like the Chinese coming to Pakistan to help us with CPEC, and IMF sending their team to head FBR etc.

Interesting analysis but I wanna further go on my point if our people were more nationalistic not just on 23rd of March,14th Augast we feel more self confident the problem I see with Pakistanis and no this fourm we see folks praising foreigners like for example Erdogan why is so loved in Pakistan he is bloody Turkish president we care more about others than ourselves

 

[Wow]

Pbouisly

Who is going to decide what is 'true understanding'? You, Islamic state, TTP, Mullah Diesel, PMIK, NS, Zardari, your neighbourhood mullah, Mohammed Bin Salman of KSA, Erdogan etc?

Who?

Obviously HIM sir HE holds the truth he doesn't realize that anyone one can interpret anything however he chooses thats why we are in this mess
these wannabees mullahs love to say we need to have a honest conversation about this and that but they dont they are just putting up a facade of a debate they just want us in the dark ages i know from personal experience whenever you press em on something they run away or worse they threaten you life thats why you are not to have religious discussion on this forum i wonder why

there are good ideas out there that we can implement in this country but we dont because of bearded scumbags

imagine of this ridiculousness was in every other thing

THIS car is unIslamic we need to find a Islamic way to get around
THIS Plane is UnIslamic we need to find a a Islamic way of crossing the ocean
etc etc etc

while the rest of the world is building quantum computers and going on the moon and mars we are here debating nonsense like this

 

[Yankee-stani]

@Simurgh would probably agree

Pbouisly

Obviously HIM sir HE holds the truth he doesn't realize that anyone one can interpret anything however he chooses thats why we are in this mess
these wannabees mullahs love to say we need to have a honest conversation about this and that but they dont they are just putting up a facade of a debate they just want us in the dark ages i know from personal experience whenever you press em on something they run away or worse they threaten you life thats why you are not to have religious discussion on this forum i wonder why

there are good ideas out there that we can implement in this country but we dont because bearded scumbags imagine of this ridiculousness was in every other thing

THIS car is unIslamic we need to find a Islamic way to get around
THIS Plane is UnIslamic we need to find a a Islamic way of crossing the ocean
etc etc etc

while the rest of the world is building quantum computers and going on the moon and mars we are here debating nonsense like this

You know what upsets me a lot we have lot smart people but we are too gullible we don't care about ourselves we care about other countries too much than ours you have folks wanting itch war with Iran,some in the diaspora fight want us to fight China over the internal matter of Xinjiang others saying they would sacriface their lives for Sultan Erdogan soon much butt kissing nothing to make Pakistan prosper or function

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I have an idea all Pakistanis should be given one twaeez each from Pinki Peerni. All woes will be gone, all ills cured.

 

[CriticalThought]

Interesting analysis but I wanna further go on my point if our people were more nationalistic not just on 23rd of March,14th Augast we feel more self confident the problem I see with Pakistanis and no this fourm we see folks praising foreigners like for example Erdogan why is so loved in Pakistan he is bloody Turkish president we care more about others than ourselves

There is genuine love between Turkey and Pakistan so that is something else. In order to breed nationalism we need to teach nationalism. When young students aged 14-18 look around themselves and see the dilapidated system, they find nothing to be proud of. We need to train an entire generation to adopt the determination of turning this system around.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

What is so funny about this childish proposition of yours?

In order to breed nationalism we need to teach nationalism.

The thing we trip on is very simple. Do we -

• stand by Pakistani state
• stand by global Muslims

This is the big question and that needs resolving. Everything follows from this. If we stand by Pakistani state then we should ignore the Chinese opression of Uighur Muslims. If we stand by global Muslims then we must stand by all Muslims across the globe including Ughurs in China etc etc.

@Numerous

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Only that our PM married her for becoming PM. Hahahaha

What is so funny about this childish proposition of yours?

The thing we trip on is very simple. Do we -

• stand by Pakistani state
• stand by global Muslims

This is the big question and that needs resolving. Everything follows from this. If we stand by Pakistani state then we should ignore the Chinese opression of Uighur Muslims. If we stand by global Muslims then we must stand by all Muslims across the globe including Ughurs in China etc etc.

 

[Yankee-stani]

There is genuine love between Turkey and Pakistan so that is something else. In order to breed nationalism we need to teach nationalism. When young students aged 14-18 look around themselves and see the dilapidated system, they find nothing to be proud of. We need to train an entire generation to adopt the determination of turning this system around.

Yeah Yeah genuine love more like similar geo strategic interests and Pakistanis just jealous of the Turkish model there is no such thing called genuine love between nations it's all interests I agree with the 2nd point on how the youth can be become self hating cucks because the system and society is filled with hypocrites and thieves however we cannot lose hope we must instlli hope

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Only that our PM married her for becoming PM. Hahahaha

What are you sniffing?

 

[Yankee-stani]

What is so funny about this childish proposition of yours?

The thing we trip on is very simple. Do we -

• stand by Pakistani state
• stand by global Muslims

This is the big question and that needs resolving. Everything follows from this. If we stand by Pakistani state then we should ignore the Chinese opression of Uighur Muslims. If we stand by global Muslims then we must stand by all Muslims across the globe including Ughurs in China etc etc.

@Numerous

If you asked me this I will say like this all our allies has skeletons in their closet,Saudi wars with Yemen with UAE,Iran puts down Balochis,Azeris,Turkey puts down Kurds and is strict on so called Islamists despite Erdogan coming from a more conservative section of a Turkish society also the support of un savory groups in Syria in his time but still Pakistanis love those countries we should care about PAKISTAN FIRST

 

[CriticalThought]

What is so funny about this childish proposition of yours?

The thing we trip on is very simple. Do we -

• stand by Pakistani state
• stand by global Muslims

This is the big question and that needs resolving. Everything follows from this. If we stand by Pakistani state then we should ignore the Chinese opression of Uighur Muslims. If we stand by global Muslims then we must stand by all Muslims across the globe including Ughurs in China etc etc.

@Numerous

There are no black and whites. The two go hand in hand. First of all, what is your proof of Chinese oppression of Uighur Muslims? Second, there is always back channel diplomacy which would not be apparent to you and me.

 

[Yankee-stani]

There are no black and whites. The two go hand in hand. First of all, what is your proof of Chinese oppression of Uighur Muslims? Second, there is always back channel diplomacy which would not be apparent to you and me.

He is being sarcastic here as always he says they are folks who will fawn over Uyghurs in China but will keep their mouth shut when Turkey does the same thing with Kurds and Syrians or Saudi with Yeminis it's called selective outrage syndrome very common in the Pakistani mindset,Pakistanis abroad some in the country want us to he policemen of the Muslim world despite our internal problems

 

[Wow]

@Simurgh would probably agree



You know what upsets me a lot we have lot smart people but we are too gullible we don't care about ourselves we care about other countries too much than ours you have folks wanting itch war with Iran,some in the diaspora fight want us to fight China over the internal matter of Xinjiang others saying they would sacriface their lives for Sultan Erdogan soon much butt kissing nothing to make Pakistan prosper or function

Honestly i dont mind all that Pakistan should care about the Muslim world and its issues and lead it thats the idea LEAD IT

but we are too busy importing ideas horrible ideas at that , weather be it wahabism from the Gulf or shia retardedness from Iran and god know what from where we gaining spiritual healing from somewhere else not from our own homeland

I swear the rest would be traveling the galaxy and we would be still debating how to impalement "true" Islam in Pakistan

 

[CriticalThought]

He is being sarcastic here as always he says they are folks who will fawn over Uyghurs in China but will keep their mouth shut when Turkey does the same thing with Kurds and Syrians or Saudi with Yeminis it's called selective outrage syndrome very common in the Pakistani mindset,Pakistanis abroad some in the country want us to he policemen of the Muslim world despite our internal problems

And some others lack vision. How about we adopt the vision that we will solve our own problems and those of the Ummah as well?