ICJ rejects India’s plea for acquittal, repatriation of Kulbhushan - Updates, News & Discussion

[El Sidd]

What's the confusion here ,title of the thread is clear and Honnestly more than 40 page in half a day is a clear sign not to touch the thread .

Do not be so afraid.

I want to ask what do Iranians make of this since their country do come up in the discussion one way or another.

 

[The Eagle]

You are a mod and been here quite a while right, so u know that ICJ didnt have any jurisdiction to let him free or acquit. ICJ can only tell to have a fair trial and the necessary process that should be taken for the humanitarian and legal basis. We didnt expect you would release him. For that there would have been a trial of the validity of the evidence in the court which didnt happen. Sure, i wanna see too how he killed innocents and did terrorist activity. I am really curious. Hope the trial happens in a civil court and we get to know all the truth. Its consular btw.

This is not about my knowing rather, India pleaded ICJ to acquit KJ, order Pakistan to release and provide safe passage back to India as he is a civilian and Pakistan did not provide consular access. ICJ in return, only asked Pakistan to provide consular access but did not rejected the Orders by Pakistani Court, nor asked us to release KJ and neither our proceedings.

ICJ did not call the trial "Unfair" but asked to review death penalty. Furthermore, ICJ did not call the order as "Impugned" or annulled Pakistan Court Order nor dismissed the death sentence but suspended which means, sentence stands valid till next Order. KJ is already in appeal against his death sentence and India knew it but still went to ICJ merely to blame & malign Pakistan & our judicial process but totally failed because ICJ ask us now for review to ensure full judicial process being followed and that too under Pakistan law, way of our choosing.

India did not expect to release him but pleaded the same before ICJ until & unless, denied so that India now comes to save face by denying the first thing which India try to achieve before ICJ - - Are guys for real? That was the main prayer by India to release KJ.

ICJ did not ask for proof of Pakistan side neither dismissed Order of Pakistani Court on the basis of lack of evidence at all. Everyone is curious to argue the matter but then again, shall have the understanding of matter by reading it in detail for academic discussion instead of illogical debate based upon nationalism and personal wishes. However, you can wish the other way but the facts remains as what is mentioned in verdict of ICJ. Still, if India has issues with absence of proof or evidence in KJ case, can request any forum for the same. No? Pakistan is not bound to satisfy everyone out there rather, we followed proper judicial process and ICJ upheld Order of Pakistani Court and that is the acknowledgment.

Yes, consular... auto-correct been typing counselor.

 

[BL33D]

This is not about my knowing rather, India pleaded ICJ to acquit KJ, order Pakistan to release and provide safe passage back to India as he is a civilian and Pakistan did not provide consular access. ICJ in return, only asked Pakistan to provide consular access but did not rejected the Orders by Pakistani Court, nor asked us to release KJ and neither our proceedings.

ICJ did not call the trial "Unfair" but asked to review death penalty. Furthermore, ICJ did not call the order as "Impugned" or annulled Pakistan Court Order nor dismissed the death sentence but suspended which means, sentence stands valid till next Order. KJ is already in appeal against his death sentence and India knew it but still went to ICJ merely to blame & malign Pakistan & our judicial process but totally failed because ICJ ask us now for retrial and that too under Pakistan law, way of our choosing.

India did not expect to release him but pleaded the same before ICJ until & unless, denied so that India now comes to save face by denying the first thing which India try to achieve before ICJ - - Are guys for real?

ICJ did not ask for proof of Pakistan side neither dismissed Order of Pakistani Court on the basis of lack of evidence at all. Everyone is curious to argue the matter but then again, shall have the understanding of matter by reading it in detail for academic discussion instead of illogical debate based upon nationalism and personal wishes. However, you can wish the other way but the facts remains as what is mentioned in verdict of ICJ. Still, if India has issues with absence of proof or evidence in KJ case, can request any forum for the same. No? Pakistan is not bound to satisfy everyone out there rather, we followed proper judicial process and ICJ upheld Order of Pakistani Court and that is the acknowledgment.

Yes, consular... auto-correct been typing counselor.

The whole point india argued was based on consular access if you had seen the trials you would have known and the rest was also obviously challenged and reutrn ws seeked but that didnt go in favour which had very slim chances. But his execution was stopped and consular access given was the "main" contention. you might disagree bcoz you need some point to pat your back. Didnt u want to hang him 2 years back ? he is still alive and now his case will be reviewed and hopefully a civil court and we will see all the evidence against him that gave him a death sentence. Lets see how your courts work. Fingers crossed.

 

[The Eagle]

The whole point india argued was based on consular access if you had seen the trials you would have known and the rest was also obviously challenged and reutrn ws seeked but that didnt go in favour which had very slim chances. But his execution was stopped and consular access given was the "main" contention. you might disagree bcoz you need some point to pat your back. Didnt u want to hang him 2 years back ? he is still alive and now his case will be reviewed and hopefully a civil court and we will see all the evidence against him that gave him a death sentence. Lets see how your courts work. Fingers crossed.

Death Sentence suspended but Order is not dismissed means, sentence exist. Indeed, if Pakistan wants to follow ICJ ruling in this matter, a review will be done so that no lacuna is find in first stage of KJ Trial and to ensure that no stone is left unturned.... ICJ wants Pakistan to make it sure before hanging him, once again. Now the point is, KJ is already provided the remedy to appeal and he already filed a review petition before Higher Forum appealing to remove his death sentence so there is nothing new in ICJ verdict about this point. The only thing that ICJ said was, Pakistan did not follow Vienna Article and to provide Consular Access and that point alone will be further debated as why Pakistan did so according to which law or ruling. Furthermore, after the first Order by Pakistani Court, KJ & India had the remedy to reach higher forum in review petition.

Actually, very Indians do understand that there is nothing new in this Order by ICJ and India only went to the ICJ to malign & blame Pakistan. I repeat again, KJ & India had the proper opportunity to file an appeal or review petition in Pakistani Court against his death sentence..... No one is reading this part because, this is not very pleasant from Modi point of view of chest thumping. KJ and India had the remedy for review..... Only thing which is new in this order is called "Consular Access" the rest is all happening already.

 

[BL33D]

Death Sentence suspended but Order is not dismissed means, sentence exist. Indeed, if Pakistan wants to follow ICJ ruling in this matter, a review will be done so that no lacuna is find in first stage of KJ Trial and to ensure that no stone is left unturned.... ICJ wants Pakistan to make it sure before hanging him, once again. Now the point is, KJ is already provided the remedy to appeal and he already filed a review petition before Higher Forum appealing to remove his death sentence so there is nothing new in ICJ verdict about this point. The only thing that ICJ said was, Pakistan did not follow Vienna Article and to provide Consular Access and that point alone will be further debated as why Pakistan did so according to which law or ruling. Furthermore, after the first Order by Pakistani Court, KJ & India had the remedy to reach higher forum in review petition.

Actually, very Indians do understand that there is nothing new in this Order by ICJ and India only went to the ICJ to malign & blame Pakistan. I repeat again, KJ & India had the proper opportunity to file an appeal or review petition in Pakistani Court against his death sentence..... No one is reading this part because, this is not very pleasant from Modi point of view of chest thumping. KJ and India had the remedy for review..... Only thing which is new in this order is called "Consular Access" the rest is all happening already.

Oh its amazing seeing you spin it, bcoz if pakistan had given India consular access India would hardly have any case. If you guys have such a solid case India wouldnt have to strong u guys till now for such simple things. This rises multiple questions in the case. Not even a single evidence has been presented for his involvement in any terrorist act which i think is the single biggest concern.
Some things never change.........

 

[Riz]

Oh its amazing seeing you spin it, bcoz if pakistan had given India consular access India would hardly have any case. If you guys have such a solid case India wouldnt have to strong u guys till now for such simple things. This rises multiple questions in the case. Not even a single evidence has been presented for his involvement in any terrorist act which i think is the single biggest concern.

Who said we are giving u consular access??? We will decide according to our laws.. We are not bound to obey the rules of ICJ

 

[undercover JIX]

Some things never change.........Indian lies.[/QUOTE]

 

[BL33D]

No wonder forgery is famous there.

 

[El Sidd]

No wonder forgery is famous there.

You would think that printing out multiple travel documents would fall under forgery too.

 

[undercover JIX]

No wonder forgery is famous there.

Ask scientist Modi and IAF and others, you will feel happy.

You would think that printing out multiple travel documents would fall under forgery too.

nah, Indian IT experts testing printers...

 

[El Sidd]

nah, Indian IT experts testing printers...

Adhaar card scam is quite known already from India as another tool of exporting Indian problems to neighbouring countries such as Regional Power Bangladesh.

 

[undercover JIX]

Adhaar card scam is quite known already from India as another tool of exporting Indian problems to neighbouring countries such as Regional Power Bangladesh.

haseena wont allow this.

 

[El Sidd]

haseena wont allow this.

Hasina mother of humanity cannot say no.

 

[undercover JIX]

Hasina mother of humanity cannot say no.

but bangalis are fighting with India for Fish...

 

[Dubious]

Proof of citizenship are official documents such as passport or identity cards. India never provided these on any forum.

This failure to provide citizenship docs was stated by Pakistan in ICJ hearing and the answer was 'we don't need to'.

Well they will have to go to ICJ again and then Pakistan can say they didn't provide what was legally needed for the access to be processed. That's when ICJ will say that India must provide proof first.

Ya without proof how can one give counsellor access? How did ICJ not ask India did you provide proof or here to waste time?