IAF strikes Balakot. Wins and Wins

[HRK]

ISPR guy says Indians should have waited for 21 minute

this was Indian claim that their jets remain 21 minutes inside Pakistan airspace

 

[Rank]

Indias perspective: We have targets inside Pakistan and for that we did surgical strikes.
- They tried whether got scrambled or what but they DID (intrude into Pakistan airspace) confirmed by the director general of Pakistan Armed Force

Pakistan's perspective: No perspective
- We technically don't have any target inside India. What option PAF or PA have inside India right now for retaliation?? Big NO "ZERO" option. Pakistan Air force and Air Defense badly FUCKED UP (accept it or not).

Stop calling it "LOC Violation". It is NOT breah, Bombs are dropped in KPK - Kyber Pakhtoon Khua - Pakistan (Confirmed by the DG ISPR of Pakistan Armed Forces).

They SUCCESSFULLY intrude into Pakistan Airspace whether they got scrambled or what nobody care about that shit, they drop bombs and buzzout. In short fuckedup entire AD and AF. Is this the level or preparedness? What option PAF or PA have now? it shows how incompetent PAF heads are. Did they ever think about this kind of situation if IAF intrudes are you going to chase and shoot down or wait for sometime? you don't even chase just because of fear of escalation and now are you going deep into their territory to target their airbases and invite a full-scale war? what target you have in India now?

PAF and PA chief both MUST RESIGN! This is the height of incompetence. You're watching from the eye of Pakistan, watch this entire event from the global eye. You failed to shoot down enemy aircraft. They're THREATENING you from past 7 days continuously. I am also patriotic like many but let's be fair. I must admit that our ARMED FORCES badly FUCKEDUP by IAF! its a win situation for IAF and Indian Govt. now whether you call it a violation, intrusion or scrambled, THEY DID THAT! They've achieved what they planned.

Pakistan LOST (0) India WIN (1)
and this result will MARK in the history until you shootdown like 99/migs

 

[Menace2Society]

PAF chief should resign. Heads need to roll.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

ISPR guy says Indians should have waited for 21 minute was he going to snap attack Indian Mirages with his Iphone he was charging ?
why Indian jets should wait


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please stay with me

IAF was given a task to do a symbolic strike deep inside Pakistan and it succeeded
dont hate me for saying this but its acceptable outcome for both

Indians can claim revenge. Modi can claim election victory
and Pakistanis can claim that nothing was targeted and Indians fled and all

but the fact is.. they managed to go deep inside Pakistan and escaped without trouble
and there is no other way to look at it so credit IAF

here are two sides of me as Indian and Pakistani


as a Pakistani
75% of me wants to believe the claim that incursion didnt achieve its goal and the IAF jets had to revert back once they saw the incoming intercept.
25% of me thinks. No, they achieved their mission because the mission as to make a mark inside Pakistan and leave unopposed. irrespective of bombs/ fuelpods falling on target or on the fields.

as an Indian
75% of me wants to believe that IAF claim is correct. they really killed over 300 terrorists. IAF is awesome and India has achieved air superiority and set the precedence for future air domination in the sub continent (yes including against China too)
25% of me still wonders what if Pakistanis are correct. the incursion was just symbolic for Modi's election sake and Indian public morale and IAF just retreated as planned on the first sign of PAF jets




Now over to you guys please discussion

without insulting each other

remember all of you are normal, peace loving people with parents and kids and friends.. none of you or other you argue with are involved in any atrocity inside India or Pakistan. so keeping that in mind.

debate and fire away your opinions

All well and good with much conjecture, but WHERE ARE the facts and evidence which support your claims?

 

[silver_dragon]

PAF fucked up...its very clear...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

All well and good with much conjecture, but WHERE ARE the facts and evidence which support your claims?

its an opinion brother

based on what I have learnt. hence my prefix "part of me believes"

 

[Mentee]

whenever & whatever is stated by ISPR is believable for me 100%!

Tell me you aren't being Sarcastic?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

its an opinion brother

based on what I have learnt. hence my prefix "part of me believes"

Unless american satellite or reconnaissance footage confirms the indian strikes then it is likely to be fake. Looks like india jets entered Pakistan airspace then retreated when challenged by the PAF, dropping their payload.

Tell me you aren't being Sarcastic?

You do know that the same people who are claiming to have destroyed targets in Pakistan today are the same people who claim to have been using the internet more than 5,000 years ago :

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/india-ancient-internet/558725/

 

[khanmubashir]

ISPR guy says Indians should have waited for 21 minute was he going to snap attack Indian Mirages with his Iphone he was charging ?
why Indian jets should wait


View attachment 542129View attachment 542129

please stay with me

IAF was given a task to do a symbolic strike deep inside Pakistan and it succeeded
dont hate me for saying this but its acceptable outcome for both

Indians can claim revenge. Modi can claim election victory
and Pakistanis can claim that nothing was targeted and Indians fled and all

but the fact is.. they managed to go deep inside Pakistan and escaped without trouble
and there is no other way to look at it so credit IAF

here are two sides of me as Indian and Pakistani


as a Pakistani
75% of me wants to believe the claim that incursion didnt achieve its goal and the IAF jets had to revert back once they saw the incoming intercept.
25% of me thinks. No, they achieved their mission because the mission as to make a mark inside Pakistan and leave unopposed. irrespective of bombs/ fuelpods falling on target or on the fields.

as an Indian
75% of me wants to believe that IAF claim is correct. they really killed over 300 terrorists. IAF is awesome and India has achieved air superiority and set the precedence for future air domination in the sub continent (yes including against China too)
25% of me still wonders what if Pakistanis are correct. the incursion was just symbolic for Modi's election sake and Indian public morale and IAF just retreated as planned on the first sign of PAF jets




Now over to you guys please discussion

without insulting each other

remember all of you are normal, peace loving people with parents and kids and friends.. none of you or other you argue with are involved in any atrocity inside India or Pakistan. so keeping that in mind.

debate and fire away your opinions

Paf k jet b kai dafa loc cross kr k dusri side pe gye aur wapis agae

Bus abi election ki waja se Indian rae ka pahar bna rhe ha

Chlo agar is bhane bina nuksan k India ka damag thonda hojata ha to thek ha akhir unke 44 bnde MRE election k pass ub USA Afghanistan se jae ga to aur bi MRE ge abi Hime afg wale issue ko resolve krna ha nai larye purane khutm krne se phle nhi krte India yhe chata ha abi use Afghanistan USA ka sahra ha

 

[VCheng]

Unless american satellite or reconnaissance footage confirms the indian strikes then it is likely to be fake. Looks like india jets entered Pakistan airspace then retreated when challenged by the PAF, dropping their payload.

The entire area has realtime 24/7 surveillance, but it will never be revealed.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

If you want peace get ready for war.. Their is no such thing "Defensive force" or "Defensive doctrine".
On topic : We (PAF and airdefence) fuked up big time ….. We don't have any option now .. Its was then and their …. Now we have no option in our hand …… Just check international Media coverage of this ….. All in favour of India … India wins 5th Gen....


@Stealth , I agree with you 100% bro...….. There is reason why I always said we need massive numbers of airdefence systems. We need proper Lr-SAMs (300+ KM ) 30+ systems with 120 launchers …. MrSAMs(150+ KM) 60+ systems with 200 launchers and proper Sr-SAMs (70+ KM) 100+ system with 400 launchers..... Time to have extremely heavy and dense airdefence system..... Time to buy better Radrs , EW eqm , and time to let go old mirages time to have J-10 or J-16...………
Today we were not ready , our enemy knows that , our enemy called put our bluff… ….. No we have to let go so called defensive force mentality ……. We need to adopt offensive force policy …. With new better range and great in umbers SAMs , and new Birds (J-10s or J-16)……
People will call we don't have money ,,,,,,, if we cannot afford it , then we have 2 options , Number 1, forget Kashmir and start building economy and start building offensive forces … 2nd option is , we all have to commit suicide ……… It is better to die instead of living in shame...……….

Indias perspective: We have targets inside Pakistan and for that we did surgical strikes.
- They tried whether got scrambled or what but they DID (intrude into Pakistan airspace) confirmed by the director general of Pakistan Armed Force

Pakistan's perspective: No perspective
- We technically don't have any target inside India. What option PAF or PA have inside India right now for retaliation?? Big NO "ZERO" option. Pakistan Air force and Air Defense badly FUCKED UP (accept it or not).

PAF clearly missed the chance of shootdown. That shows our head of PAF was never planned anything. They don't think what if their airforce did that what option we have if they left? do they have any option instead shootdown?

So simple Pakistan don't have any other option now. IMO, its clearly WIN for IAF and Indian Government Sorry to say. No one give a damn about Scrambled SHIT today trust me.

Pakistan Airforce didn't chase because of de-esclation, now you;re going to target their base? and invite a direct military to military confontration? in short a full scale war? oh comeon!

Pakistan LOST (0) India WIN (1)
and this result will MARK in the history until you shootdown like 99/migs

not only PAF, but PA chief MUST resign, the air defense is the responsibility of the ARMY. Before doing this, they INFORMED YOU, they threateningu from past 7 days CONTINOUSLY. This is the preparedness level of your armed forces?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The entire area has realtime 24/7 surveillance, but it will never be revealed.

IF the indians DID what they claimed to have done, footage would have MOST definitely been released by now.

 

[VCheng]

IF the indians DID what they claimed to have done, footage would have MOST definitely been released by now.

It just does not serve US interests to let such imagery be made known.

 

[mastaan]

this was Indian claim that their jets remain 21 minutes inside Pakistan airspace

I think the head of PR should not fall for such baits.. he is an impressive guy with great calm (and therefore charm).. In his response, there were only 2 chinks - 1. this 21 minutes point and 2. his point on why did they not shoot down the jets.. other than that, i think it was an impressive performance

The main question that Irfan has raised is something i have been asking experts on many threads here but have not had a singe response. Is the response adequate from an airforce point of view - we have PAF, IAF and US air force officers on these threads, so asking here.

Forget the noise aroud - we did strike deep and oh you did not hit a person... the question is - Flat honest, a few jets flown in a few 10s of kilometers (and the radars would have picked it before that anyways), turn around and going back that route. Is the response of CAPs identifying them - 2 teams were on duty by his own admission, still no SAMs or A2A being fired against this incursion is an acceptable or satisfactory response or not

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

It just does not serve US interests to let such imagery be made known.

It most certainly would have especially in light of Pakistan's tight embrace of China and in terms of american accusations against Pakistan for supportung terrorists in afghanistan.