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IceCold said:
IK being a national leader should have had tread more carefully. Now he faces the music which is of his own doings. I just hope and pray for the sake of Pakistan this does not come to haunt him and those who stand by him and want him to become the PM of Pakistan.
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sadly he wouldnt he should stand for 2 things before going for election 2018.

1- bio metrics election
2- allow overseas vote.

They will all beating dhanli drum after election.
 
Maarkhoor said:
Bro thnks for your kind words....

I am on twitter help me on Kashmir cause...

@mian-rattay.....
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You welcome. It would me my pleasure to help in any cause for kashmir but i am not on twitter
probably i need to make an account on twitter
but can you highlights what you are doing ?
 
PakSword said:
There are two types of Gunah.. One type is concerned with Huqooq Allah, and the other is with Huqooq ul Ibaad..

What we have learned from Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) that if a person indulges in a sin of zina that remains between him and Allah, then he should not tell anyone about it and ask pardon of Allah.. and people have been advised to not talk about it as well. But if he has committed the sin in front of 4 people, then it becomes a social problem punishable according to Shariah because it means he was so confident that he so openly committed the sin that he didn't consider that several people were watching him.. Even three people witnessing are not acceptable.

This is because Allah wants to give a chance of repentance to the committer. In case of 4 witnesses (or a person accepting his sin), it means that punishment is necessary to teach others a lesson.

Anyway, my point is that the sin (that might have been committed by IK) is between Allah and him. It is not related to Huqooq ul Ibaad. Sharif family's sins are mostly related to Huqooq ul Ibaad.. they have made the whole nation suffer through their corruption. Lets talk about that rather than a personal sin that might have been pardoned by Allah (Allah knows best). And if He SWT has pardoned IKs sin (if he has committed), then you or me talking about it is also a sin..

Hope you understand.. It is Ramadan so lets increase each others knowledge about different matters according to Islam.
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Perfecto! I am gonna copy paste it once more so that people may come across this again.

"There are two types of Gunah.. One type is concerned with Huqooq Allah, and the other is with Huqooq ul Ibaad..

What we have learned from Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) that if a person indulges in a sin of zina that remains between him and Allah, then he should not tell anyone about it and ask pardon of Allah.. and people have been advised to not talk about it as well. But if he has committed the sin in front of 4 people, then it becomes a social problem punishable according to Shariah because it means he was so confident that he so openly committed the sin that he didn't consider that several people were watching him.. Even three people witnessing are not acceptable.

This is because Allah wants to give a chance of repentance to the committer. In case of 4 witnesses (or a person accepting his sin), it means that punishment is necessary to teach others a lesson.

Anyway, my point is that the sin (that might have been committed by IK) is between Allah and him. It is not related to Huqooq ul Ibaad. Sharif family's sins are mostly related to Huqooq ul Ibaad.. they have made the whole nation suffer through their corruption. Lets talk about that rather than a personal sin that might have been pardoned by Allah (Allah knows best). And if He SWT has pardoned IKs sin (if he has committed), then you or me talking about it is also a sin..

Hope you understand.. It is Ramadan so lets increase each others knowledge about different matters according to Islam".
 
Metanoia said:
Perfecto! I am gonna copy paste it once more so that people may come across this again.

"There are two types of Gunah.. One type is concerned with Huqooq Allah, and the other is with Huqooq ul Ibaad..

What we have learned from Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) that if a person indulges in a sin of zina that remains between him and Allah, then he should not tell anyone about it and ask pardon of Allah.. and people have been advised to not talk about it as well. But if he has committed the sin in front of 4 people, then it becomes a social problem punishable according to Shariah because it means he was so confident that he so openly committed the sin that he didn't consider that several people were watching him.. Even three people witnessing are not acceptable.

This is because Allah wants to give a chance of repentance to the committer. In case of 4 witnesses (or a person accepting his sin), it means that punishment is necessary to teach others a lesson.

Anyway, my point is that the sin (that might have been committed by IK) is between Allah and him. It is not related to Huqooq ul Ibaad. Sharif family's sins are mostly related to Huqooq ul Ibaad.. they have made the whole nation suffer through their corruption. Lets talk about that rather than a personal sin that might have been pardoned by Allah (Allah knows best). And if He SWT has pardoned IKs sin (if he has committed), then you or me talking about it is also a sin..

Hope you understand.. It is Ramadan so lets increase each others knowledge about different matters according to Islam".
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I have a short question

Let say zina is personal matter and has nothing to do with haqooq ul abad and is between Allah and Zani

let s a child get birth because of act of Zina then do this illegitimate child has rights over his biological father or mother who brought him/her in this world? would not his/her right come under haqooq ul abaad?
 
Proudpakistaniguy said:
I have a short question

Let say zina is personal matter and has nothing to do with haqooq ul abad and is between Allah and Zani

let s a child get birth because of act of Zina then do this illegitimate child has rights over his biological father or mother who brought him/her in this world? would not his/her right come under haqooq ul abaad?
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As far as my understanding, yes it will come under haqooq ul abaad.
 
Proudpakistaniguy said:
I have a short question

Let say zina is personal matter and has nothing to do with haqooq ul abad and is between Allah and Zani

let s a child get birth because of act of Zina then do this illegitimate child has rights over his biological father or mother who brought him/her in this world? would not his/her right come under haqooq ul abaad?
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Simple and straightforward answer to your query is yes.

Hoping you're just asking a general question/neutral scenario without subtly hinting/accusing at an particular personality.
 
Metanoia said:
Simple and straightforward answer to your query is yes.

Hoping you're just asking a general question/neutral scenario without subtly hinting/accusing at an particular personality.
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We all make mistakes and learn from it as no one is farishta among us so i understand this argument that there should be no politics on it but we have people who were calling it private matter

My question was in reference to @Maarkhoor post regrading tyrian

If tyrian is actually illegitimate child of Imran then her first right over Imran (her father) is to recognize her

If she is not her daughter and verdict of American court is wrong then easy to shut the mouth of others by doing a simple DNA test and these pictures of trian with Imrans sons make case further suspicious

so zina is not matter for me actually but trian and her rights as a child who deserve to know about his father and mother even if dont get love and affection but only recognition/identity

Hope i am clear
 
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Proudpakistaniguy said:
We all make mistakes and learn from it as no one is farishta among us so i understand this argument that there should be no politics on it but we have people who were calling it private matter

My question was in reference to @Maarkhoor post regrading tyrian

If tyrian is actually illegitimate child of Imran then her first right over Imran (hi father) is to recognize her

If she is not her daughter and verdict of American court is wrong then easy to shut the mouth of others by doing a simple DNA test and these pictures of trian with her sons make case further suspicious

so zina is not matter for me actually but trian and her rights as a child who deserve to know about his father and mother even if dont get love and affection but only recognition/identity

Hope i am clear
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Sure thing.
 
PakSword said:
Our fiqh does not agree. Read this till end, specially the last Para.

Ik is doing his best to give the (supposed) child what she is supposed to have anyway.

https://islamqa.info/en/85043
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Giving her what she supposed to have? what is that which she got from Imran ?

I dont remember where Imran even recognize her as his daughter( even illegitimate) let alone taking her responsibility . Fiqh tell you to be honest and realize your mistakes and admit it instead of talking left and right when someone ask question about her

changing her name to tryrian imran or talking about inheritance is next thing
 
PakSword said:
Our fiqh does not agree. Read this till end, specially the last Para.

Ik is doing his best to give the (supposed) child what she is supposed to have anyway.

https://islamqa.info/en/85043
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Why do they have to make it so confusing. So from what i gather a man can commit zina and if there is a illegitimate child born, he doesn't have to accept them if he doesn't want to?
 
Imad.Khan said:
Why do they have to make it so confusing. So from what i gather a man can commit zina and if there is a illegitimate child born, he doesn't have to accept them if he doesn't want to?
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It is shariah. Allah knows best. Just like we don't know why a girl gets half the fortune but we accept it. Similarly we accept that a man can have four wives, but not the other way around.

I have asked this question from various ulema of different figh of ahl e sunnah, and all agree to this view.

Proudpakistaniguy said:
Fiqh tell you to be honest and realize your mistakes and admit it instead of talking left and right when someone ask question about her
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Not in this case.
 

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