I stand with the people of Ukraine

[Falconless]

For all those cheering Russia on right now, I have a question for you, would you cheer India if they invade Pakistan?
Because it's the same situation really, same we r sem to sem logic used by russia is used by india. But the people of both Ukraine and Pakistan want nothing to do with Russia and India respectively, and that's the only thing that matters. If the Ukrainians want to be separate, they have the right to be just like we do.

In ko mat uthao yeh kisi zaoori kaam se soray hai

 

[Khan vilatey]

There has been so much discussion about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Geopolitical, Geostrategic, Geo-economics and so on, but as usual, the average citizen gets pushed into the background in all the furore about who’s right and who’s wrong.

The great powers play games far larger then we care to understand, we think one thing and a decade later new truths come forward, so time will decide the counterfactuals of each and every argument

If Putin had invaded just the Donbas region, I wouldn’t have batted an eyelid, they are all Russian, so non of my business, so it doesn’t concern me. But to launch a full invasion of Ukraine is rather extreme, a step that will result in massive sufferings of the people that could and should have been avoided.

SO, politics aside, let's please spend a moment to think about the average citizen, the families that will suffer.
Already there has been racist reporting by white/western reporters, but we shouldn't allow that to colour our judgements, and remember that we are all human.

SO, I stand with the people of Ukraine, and I do hope everyone wishes that they won't suffer too much, and recover from this situation very soon.

I stand with Ukraine ! It is never ok for a strong country to occupy weak people like India does in Kashmir

K

Could you please tell us when the Ukrainian people stood with Pakistan?............

380 T-80 UDs

Selling us engines for Al Khalid

Our PAF tankers are Ukrainian made and upgraded

They were helping us upgrade our t-80s to modern standards

Selling us tank based ATGMs for t-80 and alkhalid

We have had a close military cooperation with Ukraine and tons of Pakistani students study in Ukraine

K

 

[Foinikas]

I think the reason of why Ukraine wants to joint NATO is because since middle of last year, US intelligent knows Russia planning, so they inform Ukraine secretly and then Ukraine try to join NATO to avoid the invasion.

Ukraine wanted to join NATO and EU since 2014.

No nation dare to attack Russia, Putin invasion IMO is not because of NATO expansion, but more due to emotional feeling due to Ukraine-Russian war in Dombas region.

It's not just because of Donbass. It's because of NATO expansion. If Ukraine became a NATO satellite,then Russia would have an enemy close to Moscow. Plus,Russia considers Ukraine as part of its sphere of influence. That's where the medieval State of Kievan Rus was founded.

It is more like revenge for that 8 years and now Russian can have another war due to several reasons like tight energy supply and high energy price that has been going on since about middle of last year that could be permanent for several years to come as many analysts have stated

Not revenge. They want to restore a pro-Russian government because in 2014 the legitimate government was kicked out by Western funded riots of extreme nationalists and pro-Western politicians.

 

[peagle]

If those people of Ukraine are racist neo Nazi supporters then there should be no sympathy for them . Before opening a thread do some research think tank analyst.

You keep replying based on nothing I have said, purely from your own assumptions, it's like you are having a conversation in your own head. That's just crazy. Go bother someone else.

You speak propaganda nonsense lies from your evil American puppet state. You have no shame.

If you want the best for Ukraine people you should ask the complete surrender of Ukraine army and stop the bloodbath.

Whole Ukraine was under Russian influence before 2014 and most of Ukrainian people lived just like after 2014. There is no difference, except by the corrupt Kiev elite who get Western bribes.

What does that have anything to do with what said?
Please grow up, and try to have a conversation based on what I actually said, it is unfair to make your own assumptions, then give me a reply based on your own assumptions, you are just replying to yourself.
I've not claimed anything regarding any of the topics you raised in your statement.

What you said is right, better dont make any comment to support Russian invasion. There should not be any invasion to happen any more, even if Indonesia is quite powerful someday, I am against any planning of another Indonesian invasion to Malaysia or Singapore, Our second President invaded East Timor in 1977 and previously there was attempt to capture Malaysia part of Borneo island by our first President.

I like your thinking.
People should always come before politics.
Stay blessed.

 

[shanipisces2002]

Fact is some NATO members have remained staunchly against Ukraine's inclusion in NATO so there was no real chance for Ukraine to join NATO anyway.

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Still as I recall USA was more inclined to get Ukraine into nato so was UK

 

[SIPRA]

I like your thinking.
People should always come before politics.
Stay blessed.

Agree, but existence, life, perception and consciousness, all, are great metaphysical dilemmas. We abhor violence, but we can't get away from it; because somehow it is an essential ingredient of life. As it seems, we are compelled to rely upon aggression, as a principal tool of competitive existence.

"Pas e shikast, jo pispaayi ka sawaal aaya
Man her muhaaz pay, chashmon main zeher daal aaya"

 

[peagle]

Agree, but existence, life, perception and consciousness, all, are great metaphysical dilemmas. We abhor violence, but we can't get away from it; because somehow it is an essential ingredient of life. As it seems, we are compelled to rely upon aggression, as a principal tool of competitive existence.

"Pas e shikast, jo pispaayi ka sawaal aaya
Man her muhaaz pay, chashmon main zeher daal aaya"

What you say is valid, but even within the animalistic reality of human existence, there has to be a recognition of what's acceptable and what's not, it gives us our humanity.

Once we resign ourselves to what we consider to be our natural state of being, we become pure animals. To avoid such a fate, we must use reason and wokefulness to remain human.

 

[SIPRA]

What you say is valid, but even within the animalistic reality of human existence, there has to be a recognition of what's acceptable and what's not, it gives us our humanity.

Once we resign ourselves to what we consider to be our natural state of being, we become pure animals. To avoid such a fate, we must use reason and wokefulness to remain human.

Yes. We shall not resign:

"Shikwa e zulmat e shub say tau yahi behter tha
Apnay hissay ki koyi shamaa jalaatay jaatay"
(Ahmad Faraz)

 

[LeGenD]

If those people of Ukraine are racist neo Nazi supporters then there should be no sympathy for them . Before opening a thread do some research think tank analyst.

Ukrainian Azov is a neo-nazi ultra-national group - 900 members in total. Much of the Ukraine population base is normal, however.

Every country have ultra-nationalistic group(s) by the way. These groups do not represent or speak for the entire country.

Not revenge. They want to restore a pro-Russian government because in 2014 the legitimate government was kicked out by Western funded riots of extreme nationalists and pro-Western politicians.

Any proof of Western funded riots? Because Russia said so?

Read this article to understand how Volodymyr Zelenskyy came to power:

Zelensky vs Putin: who’s winning the PR battle?

As Russian bombs fell across Ukraine, the contrast between the leaders of the warring nations could not be starker.

www.scmp.com

 

[I.R.A]

Much of the Ukraine population base is normal, however.

Any other people faced with war would do the same. They get blamed for the incompetence of governments who failed their citizens stuck in Ukraine. Ukrainians are themselves facing a war and they obviously would help their people first.

To give an example of how Pakistanis may have acted ........... just visit the railway stations or bus stands during the last day of ramadhan or a day before eid and see how people behave and act to get in and throw others out.