I, flew the Indian Gnat.

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The man with his war booty.

 

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The man with his war booty.

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did he too demolish the sabre's in mock dog fights?

 

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did he too demolish the sabre's in mock dog fights?

Both jets shot each other down in the war. Gnat was smaller and more agile. It was also more advanced than the Sabre from the late 40s. Gnat was used by the Combat Commanders School for studying its flight performance and for developing tactics. Lets not be unfair to the Sabre, it even shot down a Mig-21.

IAF MIG-21, Tail # No C 116. (1971)

Here is an antique picture of both jets together, gives a good size comparison.

 

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Both jets shot each other down in the war. Gnat was smaller and more agile. It was also more advanced than the Sabre from the late 40s. Gnat was used by the Combat Commanders School for studying its flight performance and for developing tactics. Lets not be unfair for the Sabre, it even shot down a Mig-21.

IAF MIG-21, Tail # No C 116. (1971)

Here is an antique picture of both jets together, gives a good size comparison.

My comment was just tongue and cheek... in my opinion Sabre was the best aircraft in it's class and age... period!

 

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@sandy_3126

Check this video of the Gnat out. What an awesome and agile aircraft. I loved this demo by the Red Arrows. I can't believe what flying it would be like in those days.

My comment was just tongue and cheek... in my opinion Sabre was the best aircraft in it's class and age... period!

Sabre was developed from a Nazi design, so was the Mig-15

 

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@sandy_3126

Check this video of the Gnat out. What an awesome and agile aircraft. I loved this demo by the Red Arrows. I can't believe what flying it would be like in those days.

Sabre was developed from a Nazi design, so was the Mig-15

We had a Ajeet sitting outside our school... it was an excellent jugaad aircraft.

 

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We had a Ajeet sitting outside our school... it was an excellent jugaad aircraft.

We had a Sabre on display in one of the parks in my city.

@Syed.Ali.Haider had one outside his school's building in Sargodha - no?

 

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Gnat was smaller and more agile. It was also more advanced than the Sabre from the late 40s.

@sandy_3126:

This was WAY before I was born so pardon my lack of knowledge about the Gnat. I thought the Gnat was a strike platform, kind of like the Jaguar of that time. I see you guys are comparing Sabre to Gnat, which I thought were two different categories? Please enlighten me with some more details as to what role Gnat played in IAF?

 

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Sabre was developed from a Nazi design, so was the Mig-15

i have heard this before, but I don't buy it. concurrent engineering occurred in different parts of the world to achieve certain flight and propulsion characteristics. Similar examples are available in control systems, automotive, locomotives, IC engines, Compressor design etc. Physics is consistent thus certain goal oriented projects yield similar designs through concurrent projects, albeit from different groups sans plagiarism/copy.
North American at that time was at peak of it's game.

 

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i have heard this before, but I don't buy it. concurrent engineering occurred in different parts of the world to achieve certain flight and propulsion characteristics. Similar examples are available in control systems, automotive, locomotives, IC engines, Compressor design etc. Physics is consistent thus certain goal oriented projects yield similar designs through concurrent projects, albeit from different groups sans plagiarism/copy.
North American at that time was at peak of it's game.

Bhai jaan, the Nazis had done research on two things.

• Swept wing design, which added extra speed and stability to the aircraft and also allowed a larger wing surface.
• Integrated nose mounted jet engine design.
  

This is the design they captured.

Mig-15 and Sabre

 

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@sandy_3126:

This was WAY before I was born so pardon my lack of knowledge about the Gnat. I thought the Gnat was a strike platform, kind of like the Jaguar of that time. I see you guys are comparing Sabre to Gnat, which I thought were two different categories? Please enlighten me with some more details as to what role Gnat played in IAF?

It's reputation in Indian military folklore is of the giant slayer. Some based on extremely clever tactics in exploiting the advantages of the airframe in favorable engagement scenarios, some based on romanticization.

This was back in the day when India's had no money to buy state of the art aircrafts, and was thus forced to use a sub sonic trainer as a strike platform, partly due to lack of military foresight of the political establishment and partly due to misplaced priorities/faulty threat assesment.

IAF pilots, specially the flight programming training instructors devised clever tactics to engage one of the best fighters of it's era the F86 Sabre, and come out on top exploiting the sabre's weakness. it's performance was quite impressive across the 65 and 71 war which led India to license produce the aircraft as the "Ajeet" in India. The legendary performance of the Gnat deeply influenced the affection of the IAF to romanticize with the idea of a small agile nimble light aircraft...(Which in retrospect should have been laid to rest with the Gnat)

 

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PAF has flown, F-86, Mig-17, Mig-19 and Mig-21

Thanks to our Afghani brothers, we also have quite a few Original Mig-21 and an Su-22 in storage.

@sandy_3126

Accept a humble present from me.

Original Luftwaffe badge.

Original Spitfire cockpit.

Yea, i know you love me, no need to say it.

@Hyperion @Oscar @Fulcrum15 @balixd @Chak Bamu @fatman17 @Mosamania

^FYI boys.

 

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IAF pilots, specially the flight programming training instructors devised clever tactics to engage one of the best fighters of it's era the F86 Sabre, and come out on top exploiting the sabre's weakness.

Is this a true statement that Gnat came out on top in engagements with the Sabre? I've read otherwise....

@Horus: is the above true? I see you posted some real nice pictures so I am assuming you are either X-PAF or have connections there....

 

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Is this a true statement that Gnat came out on top in engagements with the Sabre? I've read otherwise....

@Horus: is the above true? I see you posted some real nice pictures so I am assuming you are either X-PAF or have connections there....

from WIKI

By the end of 1971, the Gnat proved to be a frustrating opponent for the larger, heavier and older Sabre. The Gnat was referred to as a "Sabre Slayer" by the Indian Air Force since most of its combat "kills" during the two wars were against Sabres.[23][24] The Canadair Sabre Mk 6 was widely regarded as the best dogfighter of its era.[25] Tactics called for Gnats taking on the Sabres in the vertical arena, where the Sabres were at a disadvantage. Moreover, because the Gnat was lightweight and compact in shape, it was hard to see, especially at the low levels where most of the dogfights took place.[15] Apart from air defenceoperations, the aircraft performed multiple roles in the Bangladesh Liberation War, being used in anti-shipping operations, ground attack, bomber/transport escort and close air support with devastating effects on the PAF.[18][19] The success of the indigenously produced Gnats against the more sophisticated Pakistani-flown aircraft was viewed as a significant achievement...

P.S. horus is aeronaut

 

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The success of the indigenously produced Gnats

How different/similar is the Ajeet ?