I became Muslim because of Pakistan!

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Good work Pakistan Defence one more person becomes muslim due to Pakistan defence forum

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

non-muslims have no fear of educated people converting to islam, muslims have fear of educated people leaving islam, that's why apostasy is a crime punishable by death in most islamic countries.

Can you give examples of even dozen people who got death punishment because of apostasy ?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Can you give examples of even dozen people who got death punishment because of apostasy ?

Why would anyone risk their life by publicly announcing that they are leaving Islam? Most of them just leave silently and act as non practicing Muslims.

 

[MastanKhan]

Why would anyone risk their life by publicly announcing that they are leaving Islam? Most of them just leave silently and act as non practicing Muslims.

Hi,

There is NO COMPULSION IN ISLAM---. There is deceit behind the explanation of punishment given by the Mullahs---.

Anyone can walk away from Islam if he or she choses to---.

 

[Vikki]

Non Muslims really do not fear a true Muslims who believe in compassion and respecting humanity with other religions...The issue for Non Muslims is to interact and sync up with genuine good Muslims around us...
The biggest loss of image of Muslims is done by so called Muslims who create bad image about a wonderful religion of Islam...For me, I see the Islam of Malaysia, Indonesia and many people in India provide a real compassionate version of Islam which is always respected by us....

Islam spread through traders in Malaysia and Indonesia..that is why it is mild and gentle there....but many Muslims don't consider them Muslims as their customs and practices have remnants of Hinduism and buddhism

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Why would anyone risk their life by publicly announcing that they are leaving Islam? Most of them just leave silently and act as non practicing Muslims.

If they did not announce publicly then how do you know that they are leaving Islam ? Secondly how would anyone know what's in hearts of others to punish them for apostasy. People can pretend to be Muslims even when they are not Muslim in hearts. How do you differentiate between those who leave Islam and those who don't practice it?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Hi,

There is NO COMPULSION IN ISLAM---. There is deceit behind the explanation of punishment given by the Mullahs---.

Anyone can walk away from Islam if he or she choses to---.

It is irrelevent what Islam says as what counts is how some teacher interprets it and brain washes his students to take action.

If they did not announce publicly then how do you know that they are leaving Islam ? Secondly how would anyone know what's in hearts of others to punish them for apostasy. People can pretend to be Muslims even when they are not Muslim in hearts. How do you differentiate between those who leave Islam and those who don't practice it?

Does not matter. Once some announces they have given an excuse. The opponent would use it to their full advantage.

 

[MastanKhan]

It is irrelevent what Islam says as what counts is how some teacher interprets it and brain washes his students to take action.

Hi,

So---what does Islam say---?

 

[Vikki]

This is very common among Islamist. They escape the responsibility by saying that others are not following the true religion as if they only know the true religion. Other liars support them by saying that they are not true Muslims. American Obama says that ISIS and Bagdadi, a P. Hd. in Islamic Studies do not know what is true Islam

And the irony is Mohammed himself didn't like this behavior of calling ones own religion superior to another in his initial days of prophethood..he said in Quran:
2.111. They (Jews or Christians) say that none will enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian. That is their wishfulness (vain desires and fancies). Say (to them, O Messenger): "Produce your proof if you are truthful (in and convinced of your claim)!

And Mohammad promises everyone who believes in one god and who are moral and just with heaven

2:62) Whether they are the ones who believe (in the Arabian Prophet), or whether they are Jews, Christians or Sabians – all who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and do righteous deeds – their reward is surely secure with their Lord; they need have no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Later when Mohammad became powerful he too made heaven exclusive for his followers..he would have won more followers if he had stuck with his earlier view...but as they say power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Hi,

So---what does Islam say---?

There is NO COMPULSION IN ISLAM

 

[Vikki]

It was this reality of Islam that when ever a literate person read Quran he immediately discloses that it is a book of reality and truth ,this was the fear behind the minds of anti Islamic forces which wanted to portray Islam as a religion of hate and terrorism ,that's why they initiated a covrt war against Islam ,their biggest proxies wereAl Qaeda and all other forces who projected Islam as a religion of violence, had there been no proxies the Islam would have touched hearts of millions and most of Europe would have been converted to Islam,

I am a literate person but I didn't convert...any literate person can see Quran and hadees are books of fairy tales just like puranas ,jataka tales and bible..people fall for religions because they want some comforter...someone who is a source of strength... Nobody actually believe in all the things told in religious books...if they did,there would be only peace in the world...people would not cry when someone is dead because they would feel their relatives are in a much better place...humans take only that much from religious books which is convenient for them..Mohammad said he would die again and again(by going to jihad) for islam...he said dying in the cause of religion gets the biggest reward from Allah...why don't you go to Kashmir or uyghur or Syria and die for the cause of Allah if you truly believe in Quran and Islam?isn't this world only for test?

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

No, that's not true.
There are 50 Muslim countries and only one fourth of them criminalize apostasy
Of those Muslim countries that criminalize apostasy, only a very few award death penalty to apostates.

"Twenty-three Muslim-majority countries, as of 2013, additionally covered apostasy from Islam through their criminal laws"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

33/50 = 66%

66% ≠ "one fourth"

 

[Vikki]

"Twenty-three Muslim-majority countries, as of 2013, additionally covered apostasy from Islam through their criminal laws"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

33/50 = 66%

66% ≠ "one fourth"

Only religions and sects which are insecure would punish the apostates with such punishments..a religion which has truth in it would never do that..because truth has got nothing to prove to anybody or wouldn't care how many people are accepting it or not...tomorrow if somepeople start believing 2+2=5, nobody give them a FCK or issue a fatwa against them..we would just laugh at their madness and move away..similarly any religion which calls itself true shouldn't be worried about numbers..if heaven and hell are true,Allah will torment them in hell fire..why should Allah be so worried that a mere creation of his has turned away from his path?why should he hand over the authority to punish them to the caliph or some mortal authorityhere in this world ,when he can do the same himself here in this world or in the hereafter?

People don't want to ask such questions because the answers for those questions will collapse their identity..the comfort they are seeking through that identity..very few people have the courage to analyze things as they are..that is why you find Hindus children are Hindus, Muslims children are Muslims and Christians children as Christians...everybody is not strong enough to shed the beliefs of their forefathers

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Only religions and sects which are insecure would punish the apostates with such punishments..a religion which has truth in it would never do that..because truth has got nothing to prove to anybody or wouldn't care how many people are accepting it or not...tomorrow if somepeople start believing 2+2=5, nobody give them a FCK or issue a fatwa against them..we would just laugh at their madness and move away..similarly any religion which calls itself shouldn't be worried about numbers..if heaven and hell are true,Allah will torment them in hell fire..why should Allah be so worried that a mere creation of his has turned away from his path?why should he hand over the authority to punish them here in this world ,when he can do the same himself here in this world or in the hereafter?

People don't want to ask such questions because the answers for those questions will collapse their identify..the comfort they are seeking through that identity..very few people have the courage to analyze things as they are..that is why you find Hindus children are Hindus, Muslims children are Muslims and Christians children as Christians...everybody is not strong enough to shed the beliefs of their forefathers

You can keep living in your bubble. Islam is the only faith, by and large, which is practiced with zeal and fervor throughout the world.

All other religions become dust in front of atheism and capitalism/communism.

Islam is a complete dynamic way of life and Muslims laws have been shaped by our history and experiences.

I don’t expect you to understand it.

7 million Muslims live in the US, who is keeping us Muslim by gunpoint? As a matter of fact, apostasy is a very lucrative business here.

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Only religions and sects which are insecure would punish the apostates with such punishments..a religion which has truth in it would never do that..because truth has got nothing to prove to anybody or wouldn't care how many people are accepting it or not...tomorrow if somepeople start believing 2+2=5, nobody give them a FCK or issue a fatwa against them..we would just laugh at their madness and move away..similarly any religion which calls itself shouldn't be worried about numbers..if heaven and hell are true,Allah will torment them in hell fire..why should Allah be so worried that a mere creation of his has turned away from his path?why should he hand over the authority to punish them here in this world ,when he can do the same himself here in this world or in the hereafter?

People don't want to ask such questions because the answers for those questions will collapse their identify..the comfort they are seeking through that identity..very few people have the courage to analyze things as they are..that is why you find Hindus children are Hindus, Muslims children are Muslims and Christians children as Christians...everybody is not strong enough to shed the beliefs of their forefathers

100% correct.

A rare voice of sanity and logic on this forum.