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'I am aware of what the Indian Embassy is doing in Jalalabad and Kandahar': Musharraf

Equally, your "bad cop" is only reporting what he knows based upon whatever-his job, rumors in the office, etc...assuming he's for real and no fabrication of the NYT reporting staff.
Ah yes - sort of like that chap quoted in the FA blog article, indicating Indian support for the Taliban/militants in Pakistan.

Different issue for you to consider separately is the liklihood that the NYT fabricates anonymous sources. Depends what you think of their editors, I suppose.
I don't believe they fabricate sources, but I do think that the US administration uses them for its own objectives.

Those "connections" are critical. They certainly seem to be as of late July last year in Kabul. The buzz we heard was Haqqani and you-know-what-intelligence organization. That matters.
These connections may prove critical towards a possible negotiated settlement in Afghanistan. Without the ideological and highly respected big guns on board, breaking off smaller taliban factions will not offer a long term respite.

So either you're correct and we don't care or you're not correct and we don't care. Speculation beyond that point is useless.
The Bush administration certainly did not care - do you realize how the NSG deal that was ramrodded through was a complete frittering away of a major means of incentivizing the Indians towards resolving disputes with Pakistan?

Whether the Obama Admin. cares or not we shall have to wait and see. Its unlikely we will find out either way, though Pakistan's cooperation on the WoT may offer signs on whether her concerns over India have been addressed. As will signs that the new Afghan Govt. is more welcome than the outgoing one in Islamabad.
 
"These connections may prove critical towards a possible negotiated settlement in Afghanistan."

Very far down the road, if ever, for Mullah Omar. He's made clear that he'll not negotiate while NATO is present in Afghanistan. Naturally, he'll insist doing so at the point of a gun once we're gone. At present, he believes that he's winning, and any strategy not losing ground remains a definition of an insurgent victory. So he's no incentives to half-measures when believing that all can be had with a modicum of patience and determination.

As to Hekmatyar, there are questions reference on-going negotiations for him to accept "exile" in S.A. before rehabilitation into the afghani political process.

And those beneath him that have committed crimes? How do they feel? Splitting either/or isolates the other. How does Hekmatyar re-enter Afghani politics? I don't care so long as it means his support withers. That's the value of these top guys-fund raisers for those beneath them. They carry the internat'l cachet. When that stops, so too the allegiances.

Negotiations are one thing. Accomodation that abandons sound principles and leverage is wrong and cedes authority to the other. From there, dictats follow and little else. On that score, the afghanis and NATO have Pakistan's experience upon which to rely.
 
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So either you're correct and we don't care or you're not correct and we don't care. Speculation beyond that point is useless.
Oh no, we care, very much so. Any direct involvement of India in actively nurturing/supporting/training/deploying Islamist terrorism has drastic implications for us; not only at the regional level where we're currently engaged militarily, but also in the fundamentals of our bilateral relationship with India. People at the State Department aren't as stupid as we think they are, alongside the pentagon they do learn a thing or two from their past experiences. They are also well aware that the desire/intention/ability to raise disciplined and/or focal terrorism groups in this region is categorically untenable; which is why this conspiracy theory of us being "OK" with India using terrorism as long as it is aimed strictly toward Pakistan is absurd. The CIA and other intelligence agencies have a significant presence in Afghanistan and it would be naive to assume that they aren't keeping tabs on the Indian set up there, especially considering that their involvement in the post Taliban period was a joint venture with Iran. The point however is that given the long standing tensions between India and Pakistan and the latter's policy of using terrorism as a front line tool pretty much necessitates an intelligence network which India either has, or is trying to establish through various areas of Pakistan. This however does not mean that India is resorting to sponsoring and deploying terrorism at will as Pakistan does/did; and if that were the case, trust me, we'd take very serious issue with it.

This entire region (in it's current form) has since it's very formation six decades ago been marred in covert conflict with occasional bursts of overt warfare. Industrial quantities of insurgents along tribal, ethnic, religious and political lines have become endemic to the area and needless to say it is critical for each government to know about if not establish some level of contact with as many of these entities as possible. The difference however is that not all parties have similar relationships with terrorists groups and the nature of relationships themselves in their various contexts vary drastically.

Pakistanis desperately want to see India as an equal when it comes to sponsorship of terrorism (and everything else). Doing so would allay many misplaced populist notions/fears, assuage feelings of angst and humiliation brought about by the current state of Pakistan's affairs and it's perception in the world as a hotbed of Islamic terrorism; and defer confronting the greatest fear of all, that Pakistan has 'fallen behind'. The Mumbai attacks have also played a big role in promoting these feelings because for the first time in the history of this conflict a 'guilty party' and a 'victim' has been declared thereby relegating Pakistan to the defacto 'bad guy' status and elevating India to be the 'good guy'. The only way to equalize this disparity is by showing that India conducts similar kinds of operations in Pakistan. The public reaction to the Sri Lanka Cricket team attacks are pretty much self explanatory.

It is certainly understandable why people feel this way (and let's be honest, our posts fuels these insecurities even further among many of the posters here); but unfortunately populism doesn't necessarily translate into reality. India and Pakistan are NOT equals when it comes to sponsorship of terrorism. In fact, the relationship Pakistan has with Islamic/Islamist terrorism is very unique, and one would be hard pressed to find a single other state which plays a similar role and/or is suffering the similar lethal side effects of endorsing terrorism as a front line policy. No amount of dissembling, deflecting, denial and indulgence in mental gymnastics is going to change this. As I always say... the biggest disaster for Pakistan (and subsequently everyone else) will be to keep erroneously referring to and treating this problem as an infection when it is in fact an autoimmune disease.
 
Sanger, Mazetti and the rest of the PoS NYT and US Defence/Mil officials have been pushing these lies and propaganda for a long time now - entirely reminiscent of the lies and propaganda in the runnup to the Iraq war to build up domestic support for that illegal invasion.

Gen. Kiyani did not say what has been attributed to him nor was there ever any officer claiming responsibility for the Indian embassy bombing - all lies and deceit by the walking cluster fck that is the US Govt. and defence establishment - and the talking heads wonder why the deficit of trust.

About intercepting Kiyani's Phone call.....its just Indian Home Made Typical BS, Its good for Star News Documentary only.
 
Ravi Shankar Prasad: In the face of the present situation, do you see Taliban taking over Pakistan?

Musharraf: Areas in the North West Frontier [Province] where the problem is, account for less then one percent of the population. There is no danger of Taliban taking over Pakistan politically.

Of course they are not going to take over politically, they are terrorist and they are going to take over by terrorising Pakistan. I am very surprised that Mr. Musharraf is also very blind of what the talibans motives are. And also surprised to hear that he pinned talibans in only one area, were the truth of the matter is that they are every were from Karachi to Islamabad.
 
Energon,

The only mental gymnastics are the ones performed by Indians in excusing away their support fro terrorism in Balochistan, and in Punajab and Sindh in the eighties. Your glorified analyst B Raman no less has admitted to that.

And nothing compares with the savagery unleashed by Indian supported proxies in East Pakistan, committing terrorism and eventually destabilizing the situation enough to break it apart - again, no questions over this aspect of history either.

Unlike India, which sponsored terrorism in sovereign, undisputed Pakistani territory, Pakistan has largely limited its role to supporting the freedom movement in disputed Kashmir where India unilaterally violated the agreements on a plebiscite to determine final status and closed off any diplomatic resolution of the dispute.

Indian hostility towards Pakistan and its support for terrorism in Pakistan is fact, no amount of revisionism or hiding behind subtle insults is going to change that.

Creating a mythical storyline on 'Pakistani terrorism' by distorting events and facts to demonize Pakistan is where the real intellectual dishonesty comes into play.
 
@ Jeypore
Mr. Musharraf is also very blind

This is a flame bate.
I wonder if Musharraf's sincere efforts can cure the sick.
 
@ Jeypore

This is a flame bate.
I wonder if Musharraf's sincere efforts can cure the sick.

I am not trying to flame bate here, but the ground realities do speak thousands of words besides mentioning that FATA is a sole problem. Clearly, it is not. If it is only FATA problem, then why would Islamabad look like "some Iraqie City." as said by a reporter.

He is clearly trying to deflect the question by mentioning FATA, but not mentioning what the country ails in. Which is Talibs are gaining ground in Pakistan and slowly but surely it will be problem to counter with.
 
How does Kashmiri cities look like when more than 0.4 million regular army troops are living their lives there?
Our border with Afghanistan has voids and cannot be manned and this is our problem.
We need to plug the voids with Afghan border but unfortunately when ever we reach close to eliminate terrorist, Indians heat up our southern borders supporting the cross border terrorism.
 
"Oh no, we care, very much so. Any direct involvement of India in actively nurturing/supporting/training/deploying Islamist terrorism has drastic implications for us..."

Correct. Now weigh this against the certainty of 1.) the GoP having presented it's accumulated case against India to both the Bush and Obama administration and, 2.) the available commentary by senior U.S. officials to that end.

What do you believe are our thoughts on the power and relevance of the Pakistani dossier?

"The CIA and other intelligence agencies have a significant presence in Afghanistan and it would be naive to assume that they aren't keeping tabs on the Indian set up there..."

Beyond that, we've a significant NGO/U.N. presence in Afghanistan. I personally believe that there's a great deal of scrutiny-as do you. What it's revealed is unknown but, again, the absence of commentary on this subject by senior U.S. officials is salient.

"Pakistanis desperately want to see India as an equal when it comes to sponsorship of terrorism..."

Yes, I believe so. There's value on many levels in that sort of linkage. You've pointed most of them out.
 
Enjoy and be safe wherever your travels take you.:)
 
So Musharraf says he knows what the embassy in Jalalabad and Kandahar are doing, question is what has he done about it when he was the president, why hasn't the issue being raised when there was a need to raise, why all in quietness and the same is even going on now, where on one had we are all the time blamed for being a terrorist sponsoring nation, we on the other hand choose not to say a word they may prove India is not a saint either. Something i haven't really been able to understand, who agenda is all governments of Pakistan following, certainly not ours.

There is a lot of behind the scene which goes on between leaqders of nations.

Imagine a scenario where, issue was raised along with proof and then the other side alos come up with allegation supported by evidence.

His point was that these things happen with the level of animosity between Pakistan and India so don't blame Pakistan alone.
 
Of course they are not going to take over politically, they are terrorist and they are going to take over by terrorising Pakistan. I am very surprised that Mr. Musharraf is also very blind of what the talibans motives are. And also surprised to hear that he pinned talibans in only one area, were the truth of the matter is that they are every were from Karachi to Islamabad.

and so are the Hindu extremists every where in India ... vfrom Gujrat to Tamil Nadu ...

I have no doubt that Indian federation will remain secular despite the fact the large proportion of Indian population support Hindutva and RSS point of View.

Why can't you understand that having a positive image about a political entity is one thing and actyulaay getting voted is another.

If Taliban were popular then people in NWFP and rest of the country would have voted for religious parties however, NWFP has a secular govt.
 
He knows whats happening in Indian consulates in Afghanistan, but doesnt know whether Dawood is in Karachi or not ? !!!

He speaks about the lamba list of people who Pakistan is seeking extradiction from India. Who are they? Why do Pakistan need them?
 
The real thing is Pakistan is famous for saying one thing today and denying that the very next day. Nawaz Sharif when out of power said that Kargil was planned by Musharaf. Now Musharaf has said that he knew what is going on in Indian embassy in Afghanistan..so what did he do about it when he was in power. Just Chill guys..he was just addressing to people of Pakistan from India..nothing else. It was a real sight when Mualana Mehmood Madani said Indian Muslims don't need his advice.:lol:
 
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