Hussain Haqqani now officially part of the Govt

[blain2]

What does that phrase mean?

In Pakistan, one could dig a fake grave, put some flags on it, add some Quranic ayats on the buntings and propagate some stories related to sainthood of the fake deceased and people will start visiting the grave bringing gifts in return for their prayers to be accepted. The chap who dug the empty grave will reap the benefit of the gifts, monetary and otherwise as the caretaker and people will keep on turning up in hordes.

I saw this happen first hand when we were stationed in Balochistan. Within 3 years a lone grave became a mazaar.

Back to the topic, for all his ills, Hussain Haqqani is a fairly "suljha hua banda". He was instrumental in getting the Blk52s, and AIM-120s released to the PAF. At one point, our national narrative needed a fall guy, he became it. The "patriots" among us lapped up the narrative. The same patriots today have gravitated towards another narrative.

 

[SaadH]

In Pakistan, one could dig a fake grave...put some flags on it, add some Quranic ayats on the buntings and propagate some stories related to sainthood of the fake deceased and people will start visiting the grave bringing gifts in return for their prayers to be accepted. I will reap the benefit of the gifts, monetary and otherwise as the caretaker and people will keep on turning up in hordes.

I saw this happen first hand when we were stationed in Balochistan. Within 3 years a lone grave became a mazaar.

Back to the topic, for all his ills, Hussain Haqqani is a fairly "suljha hua banda". He was instrumental in getting the Blk52s, and AIM-120s released to the PAF. Our national narrative needed a fall guy, he became it.

What was that memogate drama then?

And he was even more instrumental in justifying the drone strikes in Pakistan...

The only thing marginally suljha hoa about Haqqani is the cheap hair piece he sports atop his bald dome.

 

[blain2]

What was that memogate drama then?

And he was even more instrumental in justifying the drone strikes in Pakistan...

The only thing marginally suljha hoa about Haqqani is the cheap hair piece he sports atop his bald dome.

Who knows the reality of Memogate here? Like the cipher, it's all hearsay and multiple PoV. How do those prove HH's guilt and machinations? Also, on the topic of Memogate, here is the latest PTI Memogate: Targeting US mly aid to Pakistan — a possible ‘memogate’ for PTI

On drone strikes, do we really believe that a Pakistani ambassador sitting in Washington could have orchestrated this entire policy on his own?

The drone strikes against anti-Pakistan Taliban (TTP) were sanctioned/approved by our own civilian and military leadership. They used American power against their enemies and some of this policy backfired. Some innocent Pakistanis indeed died in these drone strikes, but many TTP operatives were also eliminated. After all, this was the same TTP that killed 80,000 of our civilians and LEA/Mil personnel.

 

[Jango]

I wonder what a certain Corps Commander now has to say regarding Mohsin Dawar, jis kay baray main us banday nay 2 ghantay ki briefing ki thi that how he is meeting NDS and RAW reps in Jalalabad or wherever and on whose expenses he travels.

The drone strikes against anti-Pakistan Taliban (TTP) were sanctioned/approved by our own civilian and military leadership.

Sanction and approved by the military leadership, the civilians had to turn a blind eye. They had other things to focus and had outsourced all of these affairs, as has almost always been the case.

 

[SaadH]

Who knows the reality of Memogate here? Like the cipher, it's all hearsay and multiple PoV. How do those prove HH's guilt and machinations? Also, on the topic of Memogate, here is the latest PTI Memogate: Targeting US mly aid to Pakistan — a possible ‘memogate’ for PTI

On drone strikes, do we really believe that a Pakistani ambassador sitting in Washington could have orchestrated this entire policy on his own?

The drone strikes against anti-Pakistan Taliban (TTP) were sanctioned/approved by our own civilian and military leadership. They used American power against their enemies and some of this policy backfired. Some innocent Pakistanis indeed died in these drone strikes, but many TTP operatives were all eliminated. After also eliminated. After all, this was the same TTP that killed 80,000 of our civilians and LEA/Mil personnel.

Out of an estimated 10K drone deaths in Pakistan, only about dozen were known terrorists.

Overwhelming majority of the victims were civilians, and this was known very early into the drone war on Pakistani tribal areas, hence the opposition from the public, yet the likes of HH were sitting on national TV and making a mockery of PAF saying Pakistan doesn't have the "capability to shootdown drones"...

 

[Mentee]

Unknown sea saint - made up

Paani vala peer .

I've seen a follower emptying almost a ton of grains in the water to get his "grace" -------.

 

[blain2]

I wonder what a certain Corps Commander now has to say regarding Mohsin Dawar, jis kay baray main us banday nay 2 ghantay ki briefing ki thi that how he is meeting NDS and RAW reps in Jalalabad or wherever and on whose expenses he travels.



Sanction and approved by the military leadership, the civilians had to turn a blind eye. They had other things to focus and had outsourced all of these affairs, as has almost always been the case.

Either way, those in the corridors of power allowed the drone strikes against elements inimical to Pakistan's interests (read TTP). I don't think Pakistanis on the receiving end of suicide bombings cared who took out TTP militants. However, as stated above, when the collateral damage started getting reported, then this became an issue.

What all of the above tells you is that national security policy is never unidirectional. In order to stay relevant, decisions, horses have to be changed. Yesterday's foes are today's allies and vice versa for tomorrow. This is politics. One hopes these politics don't become so destructive that Pakistan sinks.

 

[blain2]

Out of an estimated 10K drone deaths in Pakistan, only about dozen were known terrorists.

Overwhelming majority of the victims were civilians, and this was known very early into the drone war on Pakistani tribal areas, hence the opposition from the public, yet the likes of HH were sitting on national TV and making a mockery of PAF saying Pakistan doesn't have the "capability to shootdown drones"...

Out of an estimated 10K drone deaths in Pakistan, only about dozen were known terrorists.

I have massive doubts about this. Any such numbers talked up played in favor of TTP as they claimed all such attacks killed innocents. Also, not all attacked were top tier leaders. Many included TTP's lesser known rank and file moving logistics, weapons etc. Our own commanders on the ground were green lighting most of these strikes. However, there is no denying that collateral damage and innocent deaths did occur.

On your last part about HH making a mockery of the PAF, the service itself had done this gaming in Musharraf and Zardari/Kiyani tenures. Stating we don't have the "capability to shoot down drones" was the only plausible deniability option available to our governments because managing TTP on our own was not possible. Second, and even more important, even if we had not wanted American strikes to happen on our soil, the issue was if PAF had targeted some of the US/ISAF drones, the response would have been Salala multiplied.

The Americans were already looking for reasons to strike inside of Pakistan deeper. We would have presented them an opportunity on a platter had PAF gone after American assets.

So multiple considerations of self-interest, self-preservation were at work in this drone policy.

 

[LeGenD]

Out of an estimated 10K drone deaths in Pakistan, only about dozen were known terrorists.

Overwhelming majority of the victims were civilians, and this was known very early into the drone war on Pakistani tribal areas, hence the opposition from the public, yet the likes of HH were sitting on national TV and making a mockery of PAF saying Pakistan doesn't have the "capability to shootdown drones"...

Protestors Should Raid Avenfield House

Kindly show these "facts." I did not cite American talking points in my post but you are too brainwashed to understand well-documented facts from people who are privy to operations and background politics of the country. https://www.brecorder.com/news/40219637 The neverending war is due to...

defence.pk

You have forgotten, of-course.

Waziristan is a part of Pakistan on the map but it was ungoverned and lawless for a long period of time. Local tribes reigned supreme in this region and were ideologically close to Tehreek-e-Taliban Afghanistan (TTA). A large number of terrorists were finding refuge in Waziristan while US-backed Afghan setup was conducting operations in Afghanistan. When Pakistan Army attempted to take control of Waziristan, local tribes created Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) to counter Pakistan Army. This is why Pakistan Army was indifferent to drone strikes in Waziristan.

Pakistan should have secured Waziristan long ago.

It is the responsibility of Pakistani leaders to explain these realities but they are busy fighting each other. Public is kept in the dark as usual.

 

[Gaomayaslayer]

Hi,

They were not " pasty guys " from british isles---. They were battle hardened troops trained with fighting with most modern weapons of that time and trained in most modern battle techniques of that time.

And on top of all that---they were poor---they were hungry---they were strong---they were well organized---they had dedication---they had devotion---and they wanted to loot & plunder every bit of what was available.

Do some of these attributes not remind you of the muslim armies spreading thru iran---iraq---spain---syria---turkyei.

The indian sub continent weapons were extremely inferior---training of troops and commanders pi-ss poor---.

The technology gap wasn't that big actually. Mughals had gunpowder weapons before the whities. The whities used internal divisions and deciet to take over our lands.

Anyway the sepoys will eventually be pugred from Pakistan. They can try and hold onto the past but even their masters will not come to their help. Most Pakistanis no longer trust the sepoys. I think a revolution is coming and the likes of generals, Nawaz and zaradi family are going to be history.

 

[Olympus81]

Something to harp on:

Memo gate judicial commission deemed Hussain Haqqani as a traitor. I believe that was retracted later.

HH as US Ambassador kept giving visas to blackwater operatives.

Bajwa wanted to engage HH to engage academics but his proposal was shutdown by SMQ (FM) at the time.

HH met up with Bajwa and Faiz in UAE to help fix Pak US relations, without the PM’s knowledge. He was ofcourse paid for his services.

Unfortunately, Pakistan lacks the system to weed out the likes of these.

 

[MastanKhan]

The technology gap wasn't that big actually. Mughals had gunpowder weapons before the whities. The whities used internal divisions and deciet to take over our lands.

Anyway the sepoys will eventually be pugred from Pakistan. They can try and hold onto the past but even their masters will not come to their help. Most Pakistanis no longer trust the sepoys. I think a revolution is coming and the likes of generals, Nawaz and zaradi family are going to be history.

Hi,

If that is all you know---then you do not know much---.

 

[Gaomayaslayer]

Hi,

If that is all you know---then you do not know much---.

I'm always open to learning more. I'm not an expert on history.

 

[ProudThamizhan]

I have seen two videos of Hussein Haqqani speaking in international forum. He sounded quite reasonable and bold while taking up Pakistani issues.

 

[ghazi52]

.,.,
Where do one can get the tiles behind this brother??