Huawei P20 (899Euros) Released: 40 MP RGB camera, AI-driven photography system, and 4000 mAh battery

[TaiShang]

【IT168 手机讯】3月27日晚间，华为于巴黎正式发布了P系最新的旗舰产品P20以及P20 Pro，凭借着超强的成像表现，两款产品分别在DxOMark中取得了总评102分和109分的傲人成绩，一举超越了三星Galaxy S9+、Google Pixel 2、iPhone X等传统旗舰机型，分列榜单前二。其中P20 Pro提升尤其明显，更是成为迄今为止拍照最好的智能手机。

 

[jhungary]

sure buddy,

https://www.reddit.com/r/AsABlackMan/

Sure buddy...You are right

Hey wait a minutes.........YOU HAVE NO POINT AT ALL.........LOL

Plus, with all the Chinese Stronk comment from the Canadian and Pinoy Supporter, nobody ever explained to me why 40MP Camera with tri-lenses are "Game Changer" nor address the issue of the 5x hybrid zoom are a wastage to 40MP slate.

You can blow chunk at me does not make you making a good point. I am here to discuss, not to start a fight, if y'all can show me how or why my issue is incorrect, I am gladly retract my statement, but seems like either you lot are NOT WILLING to or UNABLE to proof that I am wrong, instead, resort to name calling, LOL

This is very typical, well, well, well, just another day at work.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Look at the size of the 40-megapixel sensor.

The Nokia 808 41-megapixel sensor used to look like this. DxOMark Score 77.
https://www.dxomark.com/nokia-808-pureview

Huawei P20 Pro 40Mp main camera sensor. DxOMark Score 109.

 

[j20blackdragon]

nobody ever explained to me why 40MP Camera with tri-lenses are "Game Changer" nor address the issue of the 5x hybrid zoom are a wastage to 40MP slate.

"delivers the best zoom performance we've seen on a smartphone to date."

https://www.dxomark.com/huawei-p20-pro-camera-review-innovative-technologies-outstanding-results/

But let’s talk about that epic new camera system. First of all, Huawei has added a third lens to the back of the P20 Pro, which provides an 8-megapixel, optically stabilized telephoto camera. This allows for 3x optical zoom or a 5x hybrid zoom. Huawei’s traditional setup of combining the data from a monochrome and a color sensor is still in place, but this time, the color sensor weighs in at a whopping 40 megapixels. You’ll have the option to use that entire resolution to take photos, though the default setting will be to combine the data from four adjacent pixels into one and thus generate clearer, brighter 10-megapixel shots. We’ve seen this technique, which Huawei calls Light Fusion, in the past on devices like the Nokia Lumia 1020 and its “super pixels.” One of these quad-pixel pixels inside the P20 Pro measures in at 2µm, which is huge for a smartphone sensor. Google’s Pixel 2, for comparison, has 1.4µm pixels,

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/27/17165822/huawei-p20-pro-specs-price-release-date

Huawei will allow P20 Pro owners to produce massive 40-megapixel images if they want, but by default the phone will combine data from four adjacent pixels to create higher-quality 10MP photos.

As for pixel size, Huawei claims to win this battle too. The Pro's pixels are 2µm (micrometers), compared to the 1.4µm pixels used by the iPhone X and Google Pixel 2. Bigger pixels mean the camera sensor can take in more light with each shot.

https://www.gearbrain.com/huawei-p20-pro-cameras-explained-2554032596.html

 

[TaiShang]

"delivers the best zoom performance we've seen on a smartphone to date."

You cannot beat a loser...

***

 

[j20blackdragon]

Best phone in the world coming soon...

Alleged Huawei Mate 20 with Kirin 980 chipset on deck sets a new AnTuTu record

Posted: 09 Apr 2018

Huawei just recently launched its latest flagships, the P20 , P20 Pro, and the super-premium P20 Pro Porsche Design, but it seems that the grand Chinese company is already prepping its next emboldening move. Word on the street is the successor to last year's Huawei Mate 10 just got benchmarked on popular synthetic benchmark app AnTuTu.

It would seem that the Huawei Mate 20, which is most likely coming this autumn, has reportedly scored a truly mind-boggling score of 356,918 points, which sets it ahead of just about any device right now. This performance jump could potentially be linked to Huawei's rumored upcoming in-house chipset, the Kirin 980.

Although the benchmark doesn't reveal any facts about the chip that's powering the device, rumors tell us it will likely be a 7nm quad-core endeavor comprising Cortex-A75 cores in a custom configuration and a much-improved 2nd-gen NPU (neural processing unit), which will take on the AI-related tasks. Graphics will be dealt with by a GPU that's said to be much more powerful than the current performer ticking inside Huawei's Kirin 970 chip, which can be found inside the Mate 10, Mate 10 Pro, P20, and P20 Pro.

The Mate 20 will likely reiterate the intriguing triple-camera setup found on the P20 Pro which is already winning it accolades. Although Huawei's devices have a hard time existing on the US market, the company's definitely striving to outwit the market leaders, and this makes the scene all the more interesting.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Huawei-Mate-20-benchmark-AnTuTu-performance_id103917

 

[Beny Karachun]

Your cognitive capacity must be proportional to your rating.

Coming from a citizen of a country with an average IQ 2 standard deviations below mine it must be a compliment.
I'm surprised you can even read and write, are you considered a god in your country?

 

[j20blackdragon]

The Huawei Mate 20’s Kirin 980 CPU Benchmark Demolishes The Galaxy S9 And Other Flagships

The Huawei Mate 20’s AnTuTu test result shows the Kirin 980 CPU breaking the 300,000 benchmark score barrier.

Based on the performance test results, the Huawei Mate 20 is officially the first smartphone to break the 300,000 barrier, completely surpassing all of the current flagship smartphones available in the market today. As reported by Playful Droid, the smartphone managed to get a score of 356,918, which is a huge leap from the Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus. Samsung’s recently released flagship smartphone, equipped with the powerful Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 CPU, previously held the highest benchmark score with 264,044 points. Directly below the Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus is the Sony Xperia XZ2 with 259,244 points.

https://www.inquisitr.com/4860834/t...demolishes-the-galaxy-s9-and-other-flagships/

 

[jhungary]

"delivers the best zoom performance we've seen on a smartphone to date."

Best Zoom? If you know anything about Digital Camera. Zoom is a 1:1 lost ratio.

What does that mean? That mean optical zoom will have a 1:1 aspect ration, that IS THE MAXIMUM because you cannot get clearer picture than the item you are shooting at itself.

Aspect ratio decrease when you have to use digital zoom, which is basically multiplying the pixel to increase the "Bulk" up a single pixel, if you multiply it by 4, then you lose 4 pixel clarity. (1:4), the more you process the single pixel, the more you lost.

The zoom, if case you have not noticed, HAD BEEN EXPLAINED On my exchange with pyr0tech, the technology we discussed is the pixel binning, which only decrease the aspect ration to 1:2, still, you waste half the pixel, and in a 40 Mega Pixel case, THAT IS A LOT (That is 20 Megapixel wasted) and most camera lose about 2 to 5 (a 20MP camera with 1 : 4 will lost 5 MP to wastage....P20 Pro losing 20 MP is 4 times what a 20 MP lost.)


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...phy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-2

combine the data from four adjacent pixels into one and thus generate clearer, brighter 10-megapixel shots.

That mean the wastage is 1 : 4 because if you have to combine the adjacent pixel (Pixel binning) and generate a brighter 10MP megapixel shot, that mean you lost 1/4 of the pixel of your 40MP Slate.

In case you still didn't know, THAT IS A LOT OF PIXEL WENT TO WASTE just to create the top result. You wasted 30 Mega Pixel on a 40 MP camera. In A Samsung, you lost about 7MP (12 to 5) and IPhone X about 5MP (12 to effective 7MP).

Yes, you can put more dot on the picture, but if 30 millions (actually a lot more but I will spare you the technical detail) Is wasted, just to produce a true 10 MP Picture, that is not as good as it can be for iPhone and Samsung, because both will give you similar result (10 MP vs 5 MP vs 7 MP)

Again, read my exchange with pyr0tech

One of these quad-pixel pixels inside the P20 Pro measures in at 2µm, which is huge for a smartphone sensor. Google’s Pixel 2, for comparison, has 1.4µm pixels,

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/27/17165822/huawei-p20-pro-specs-price-release-date

Huawei will allow P20 Pro owners to produce massive 40-megapixel images if they want, but by default the phone will combine data from four adjacent pixels to create higher-quality 10MP photos.

As for pixel size, Huawei claims to win this battle too. The Pro's pixels are 2µm (micrometers), compared to the 1.4µm pixels used by the iPhone X and Google Pixel 2. Bigger pixels mean the camera sensor can take in more light with each shot.

https://www.gearbrain.com/huawei-p20-pro-cameras-explained-2554032596.html

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That is not my point, I have already conceded P20 Pro can take in and process more information and the camera is superior clearer, my concern is the pixel wastage and the camera overkill.

This addresses neither of the issue I have with P20 Pro

 

[xunzi]

A phone only need to last between where you can charge it. In most of the case, it's less than 8 hours (The length of time you are outside, without porting) , any sort of phone can last 8 hours without charge.

For me, I don't really need to last even 2 hours, I have computer at work, I have docking station at work, which mean I only need enough charge for me to go from my home to Parramatta Police Headquarter, then I can simply charge my phone at my work computer or docking station in my break room. Then My phone still need to last my journey home. This is how most people works.

And most phone case have a compartment for your cable, if not, you can use Wifi to charge a Samsung, which you still only need to have a phone, wallet and key in your bag.

And finally, people who buy top end phone don't care about how long the batter last, if you want everlasting battery, buy a Nokia 1110.

That is your Office type of job. Not everybody work in an office environment with available charging station so your experience is your own and doesn't apply to most other people who work in the field.

Like I said before, time is essence. Having long battery gives you many advantages. It's like a high-mileage car is more convenient to most people than a Ferrari power car.

LOL. Most people WANT a LONG BATTERY phone with high-end features. That is the main difference between a Nokia 1110 vs P20. People nowadays use their phone for web browsing and video streaming. Having long battery ensure you don't miss important call while you're streaming video constantly.

I don't know what you are talking about. Are you saying Samsung battery only last 6 months and then Kaputt?

How long a battery last is up to the individual who use it, I have been using Samsung Flag ship phone since 2010. I never have my battery gone bad after 6 months. On my S3 S5 and S7) Most people have problem with their battery is either using those cheap Chinese Charger or Car Charger or they are abusing the battery.

Again, MY SAMSUNG is still using about 7 to 9 hours a day with single charge, and I bought my S7 Edge a year and a half ago. That is from personal experience. So I am not sure what you are talking about.

No I'm saying Samsung CPU has a tendency to use a lot of power especially running in the background to provide you that display image and the more you use the phone, the more its battery will drain in the future. You will notice a major difference in its battery performance when it's brand new vs 6month later. I had a Samsung galaxy before and its battery drain is one of the reason I ditch that phone a long time ago for a Google phone. Then instead of facing a battery drain problem, I dealt with the LG_made Google phone boot-loop bug.

About bragging right, you think you get more bragging right with having a Samsung or having a Huawei? Most people in the west cannot even pronounce Huawei, what do you think?

People don't use 4K feature? Maybe 3 years ago yeah when 4K TV is too expensive to buy, not in 2018 tho. EVERYTHING I DO I DID WITH 4K, it doesn't matter if it was the youtube video I shoot or my facebook statusupdate. Just because Huawei is bad at video does not mean people don't use 4K video function.

Ask what people prefer. Taking photo or Taking Video?

Believe it or not, I have more people asking me what phone I'm using because it looks so stylistically and impressive. It's so different from the mainstream Galaxy or Iphone fanboy that people was surprise. They all compliment and asked me where I got it. LOL As far as Huawei USA is not fair as it is being blacklist and China is US enemy so I don't care about US consumer opinion on Huawei.

The Huawei is not bad at 4k video. The shuttering is a bug and will likely be fix with a software update once it's release. Remember this phone is not even release yet!

LOL Majority prefer taking photo than video. There are Instagram, ever heard of that?

First of all, you don't pay for the card once you bought it, you pay for cloud. EVERY MONTHS.
Second of all, it take up your bandwidth to use cloud.
Third of all, the availability of the data content depends on your cloud service and your mobile carrier. If they have bad reception, you got nothing.

Also, you cannot upload thing from your phone to cloud, well, you can, but very slow, so card as an immediate data storage access is still necessary

There are free cloud. I got 1tb free from Google/Microsoft. But you have to be looking around if you want free stuff. I never pay for cloud. LOL

This is what the guy said at digital trend

Overall winner: Google Pixel 2 XL
Despite being a little older, the better all-around phone is the Google Pixel 2 XL. It features similar processing power, an excellent camera, quick software updates, and more.

Of course, that doesn’t mean the Huawei P20 Pro isn’t worth buying — it looks to be a great device. If you like the big edge-to-edge display and the prospect of a triple lens camera, then it may be the phone to go for.

It did not say it is a better value for money, it said it is a better ALL-AROUND phone. The author position of Google XL 2 is better than P20 Pro in general.

You can of course call the person biased, but as many other could also call you biased, all your point is based on what P20 Pro is better at, and mind you, there are only 2 things, which is the battery and the camera, and everything else is not important to you, because P20 Pro perform badly on all those field. And also, you still yet to explain to me why and how triple camera with 40MP is a game changer.

As I said, I am not saying P20 Pro is bad, but given a choice, I will NOT go for P20 pro because on physical comparsion, I got less from P20 Pro than Samsung S9+ and I got to pay more, this is not a very good business practices.

I don't even know what to say about that guy review. It's clearly bias and he doesn't seem to have a good grasp of the comparison. I mean Google XL design is ugly and the larger bezel and single lens? Com on. This is 2018 LOL. All-AROUND phone is a tag that people throw around too often that don't mean anything. What exactly a Google XL can do that P20 can't? I can name a few things a P20 can do that Google XL can't such as taking crystal clear night photo and having the ability to zoom to take far away distance shot. This is not mentioning the other goodies like faster charge, long battery performance, and doesn't have to deal with the bootloop bug from LG made Google phone.

As I also said, Samsung S9+ is an okay phone. The design is a tag slightly inferior. Not mentioning P20 have better camera with endless potential to do a lot of crazy things at night shot. Everything is just software update and this P20 will beast.

 

[jhungary]

That is your Office type of job. Not everybody work in an office environment with available charging station so your experience is your own and doesn't apply to most other people who work in the field.

Like I said before, time is essence. Having long battery gives you many advantages. It's like a high-mileage car is more convenient to most people than a Ferrari power car.

LOL. Most people WANT a LONG BATTERY phone with high-end features. That is the main difference between a Nokia 1110 vs P20. People nowadays use their phone for web browsing and video streaming. Having long battery ensure you don't miss important call while you're streaming video constantly.

lol......You should not use "Office job" Basically anyone that work indoor have some kind of access of electricity would have the ability to charge their phones, not just people who work office jobs. Chef can charge his/her phone at a restaurant, Doctor can charge their phone at a hospital. Even people who don't work indoor could charge their phone in their car, which mean bus driver or taxi driver could also charge their phone on the go.

Who cannot charge the phone at work? Maybe construction workers? I think even street sweeper and garbo can charge their phone at their garbage truck. I mean, how many people cannot actually have access to electricity in the course of a day and unable to charge their phone? That number is actually very small.

I am not going to keep arguing whether or not people will see long life battery is essential. I can only speak for myself, and people I know, and common sense would suggest if a person can fork out $1200 for a phone, they could easily been able to afford a power bank and they would easily have a job that work indoor thus have access to electricity during the day. That all I will say, you can think long battery power is an issue for you, that's your opinion.

No I'm saying Samsung CPU has a tendency to use a lot of power especially running in the background to provide you that display image and the more you use the phone, the more its battery will drain in the future. You will notice a major difference in its battery performance when it's brand new vs 6month later. I had a Samsung galaxy before and its battery drain is one of the reason I ditch that phone a long time ago for a Google phone. Then instead of facing a battery drain problem, I dealt with the LG_made Google phone boot-loop bug.

Again, that is on how you use your phone, there is an option of energy saving and you can, and should shut off any apps you don't use over time. If you do not consider how you use your battery, using P20 Pro and Samsung will not be a big different for you, because it only have 16-20 minutes runtime different according to some test result Beny show above. You won't save much if you live life on the big.

It's like I can drive a Prius manically (Like pumping gas and brake hard) and I will still use more gas than a BMW M3 If I drive the M3 smoothly.

Believe it or not, I have more people asking me what phone I'm using because it looks so stylistically and impressive. It's so different from the mainstream Galaxy or Iphone fanboy that people was surprise. They all compliment and asked me where I got it. LOL As far as Huawei USA is not fair as it is being blacklist and China is US enemy so I don't care about US consumer opinion on Huawei.

When I use a ZTE phone I got from Telstra for A$40 bucks, people also ask me what I use as this is a different phone design than the big brand. I still have the ZTE Phone (That was my work phone the NSW Police allow me to get) That does not mean ZTE have more prestige than Samsung or iPhone they are using...People just ask you because your phone does not look familiar.

The same goes if I drive a Buick here, even a crap car like LeSabre, people will come and ask me what I drove, even if they coming out of a Mercedes or Beemer. Does that mean a Buick LeSabre have more prestige thatn a Mercedes C Class or BMW 3 or 5 Series? lol.

By the way, I live in Australia, not in the US, I can buy Huawei if I want. Everybody can buy a Huawei if they want here, but you would not see many people asking in Optus Store or Vodafone Store.

The Huawei is not bad at 4k video. The shuttering is a bug and will likely be fix with a software update once it's release. Remember this phone is not even release yet!

LOL Majority prefer taking photo than video. There are Instagram, ever heard of that?

P20 Pro was inferior than Samsung because of the physical hardware not because of the OS, in fact, I am not sure whether or not P20 Pro can play proper 4K video on it with a 1080p @ 408ppi, most 4K video support 1440p+ (basically form 1440p-2160p) Samsung S9+ is running on 1440p @ 529ppi. So I am not too sure if I can plug a 4K vids from 3rd party (like taken from my video camera) and I can play it on a P20 Pro. I need to ask someone about that.

Funny you talk about Instagram. Do you know why Instagram had to have an urgent update in 2013? That is to include a video sharing capability on it. That show you how Instagram, even as a photo sharing platform, see video sharing in the future, and that is in 2013.

There are free cloud. I got 1tb free from Google/Microsoft. But you have to be looking around if you want free stuff. I never pay for cloud. LOL

google don't offer 1TB free cloud, either you are using some partnership deal or something else that not many people have access to. I can use my NSW Police free cloud service, I think they have 100G (or 256G I forgot) but that does not mean I have to use them.

Anyway, money is just one of the issue, you still bound by data transfer rate and/or signal quality.

I don't even know what to say about that guy review. It's clearly bias and he doesn't seem to have a good grasp of the comparison. I mean Google XL design is ugly and the larger bezel and single lens? Com on. This is 2018 LOL. All-AROUND phone is a tag that people throw around too often that don't mean anything. What exactly a Google XL can do that P20 can't? I can name a few things a P20 can do that Google XL can't such as taking crystal clear night photo and having the ability to zoom to take far away distance shot. This is not mentioning the other goodies like faster charge, long battery performance, and doesn't have to deal with the bootloop bug from LG made Google phone.

You cannot just debate the issue with "Crystal Clear" picture every time, believe it or not, phone have more use than just taking picture. And the guy already stated P20 Pro have better camera than G XL2 and having better battery life than G XL2.

The problem is, a phone need to be more than that 2. And everyone have their use of a phone regardless on your's or mine's opinion. You may think one thing is better than the other, or one thing is worse in priority than the other. That is why we cannot say a phone is definitely good or bad as per personal preference (My original point) For you, if you need a phone that just to take good picture and last longer, than of course P20 Pro are better, but for me, if I need a phone that have clear display, a quick access to google, good video capturing capability, frequent OS upgrade (YES UPGRADE), then I will definitely not choose P20 Pro, I will buy Samsung S9 or GXL2 because, it's did better at all that, and its cheaper.

Just because you think something is good does not mean I have the same use of it, same thing goes if I think something is good, you may not agree, that is physical parameter is for, and I have already explained to you with a list, why P20 Pro is inferior than Samsung S9+ in that end.

As I also said, Samsung S9+ is an okay phone. The design is a tag slightly inferior. Not mentioning P20 have better camera with endless potential to do a lot of crazy things at night shot. Everything is just software update and this P20 will beast.

That is personal preference, again, I am not going argue what you like, you like what you like, and I like what I like, I like phone with good display and a edge bar, that is why I bought Samsung S7 Edge 1.5 years ago. Design is very subjective, I don't think P20 Pro design is anything better than Samsung, they both have their good and bad, and not one better than the other. But hey, if you like P20 Pro and have A$1500 to burn, why not, I am just saying I won't because I found it to be inferior and more expensive. I wouldn't just buy a phone and pay $100 more to have a better camera (Which is of no use of me) and longer (not too long tho) battery life. For me it just don't worth it.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Huawei-Mate-20-benchmark-AnTuTu-performance_id103917

LOL at this graph....

Top 11 and no IPhone X...............And you meant to tell me Samsung Note 8 is above Iphone X?? And Xiaomi MIX 2 is better than IPhone X..... LOL

And according to this, top 10 phones we can own now are all Chinese phone LOL...

Gosh, I almost died laughing.....I think the world did not quite get the message........

I think this "Ranking" is only rank one thing and one thing only. Was this phone made in China........

 

[Zibago]

The jack aint your enemy

 

[j20blackdragon]

That is not my point, I have already conceded P20 Pro can take in and process more information and the camera is superior clearer, my concern is the pixel wastage and the camera overkill.

LOL at this graph....

Top 11 and no IPhone X...............And you meant to tell me Samsung Note 8 is above Iphone X?? And Xiaomi MIX 2 is better than IPhone X..... LOL

And according to this, top 10 phones we can own now are all Chinese phone LOL...

Gosh, I almost died laughing.....I think the world did not quite get the message........

I think this "Ranking" is only rank one thing and one thing only. Was this phone made in China........

Huawei Mate 20 Scores A Whopping 356918 Points On AnTuTu

APRIL 10, 2018

According to an AnTuTu listing, the upcoming Huawei Mate 20 scores 356918 points, which is an all-time record.

If we compare this score to the latest smartphones, the Samsung Galaxy S9 has scored 241470 points and the Apple iPhone X has scored 226,000 points. In fact, the Huawei Mate 20 is the first smartphone to reach the 300,000 mark on the AnTuTu Benchmarking Platform.

Thanks to the Hisilicon Kirin 980 Octa-core chipset, which is based on ARM Cortex-A75 cores. Similarly, this could be the first chipset based on 7nm FinFET architecture. This might offer great thermal efficiency and faster processing power. This processor will be manufactured by TSMC with 2nd Gen Neural Processing Unit (NPU). The listing also confirms that the Kirin 980 chipset will support Bluetooth 5.0.

The launch of the Huawei Mate 20 is at least 6 months away. However, on paper, the performance of the smartphone is very promising and this smartphone could be the most powerful smartphone ever (period).

The Huawei Mate 20 might borrow some of the design elements from the Huawei P20 and the P20 Pro. The smartphone might have the same triple camera setup, similar to the one found on the P20 Pro

https://www.igyaan.in/148897/huawei-mate-20-antutu/

 

[Hyde]

I had pre-ordered Huawei P20 Pro... received on first day of its launch...

Its a good phone, takes DSLR like pictures if you turn the beauty mode off to 0.

Besides camera, nothing else to talk about... however there is definitely big jump in mobile camera technology compared to the likes of iPhone X or Samsung Galaxy series

 

[Dalit]

Huawei P20 Pro smokes just about any high end phone out there. Looks, specs, battery life and cameras. It is a complete package.

The only other phone that I praise highly is the Google Pixel 2 XL due stock Android experience.