Huawei has a new British problem

[nahtanbob]

I am not so sure its about spying. I am sure the west is smart enough to monitor chinese activities. I think it's more about western industry being left behind and protectionism. The west has nothing in comparison to 5G that Huawei has and is years behind. But in order to prevent china from getting a strong market share and money to develop further it would rather keep it out of america and europe. This is nothing new. America did this to Toshiba back in the day when it was a household name.

at this point 5G has no use case. at least not for me

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

look, you are a time waster, probably paid to waste everyone else's time. buzz off

H1Bs go to Indians who take jobs away from qualified Americans. When will real Americans be able to get jobs?

No problem my friend

I hope those rioters check if 5g is made in China or made in Vietnam before they burn.

Vietnam cannot even manufacture masks right. Forget 5G.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Vietnam cannot even manufacture masks right. Forget 5G.

But we produce enough rice while millions Hu bei ppl believe Xi failed to grow enough rice and CN may face wt rice crisis and may starve to death like Third world nations

 

[313ghazi]

They would be idiots for doing so. Huawei was cheaper than the rest and had better tech. It was a no-brainer.

 

[Beast]

Honestly the US would've been worse off with Hillary in charge but ok. Trump is a shitshow but he has strong instincts. He knew China was America's biggest rival and so he oriented the US that direction.

But I would say Trump is only responsible for maybe 30% of decisions coming from the White House, the rest is the deep state.

You think Hilary wouldn't do that if pick as president of US? She wants to orientate more aggressive towards China. She even hint a nuclear showdown with China. A WWIII is avoid with Trump being the US president.

 

[flowerfan2020]

don't be silly.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/1-i...stole-their-ip-within-the-last-year-cnbc.html

How dump a person who would believed those crap?

There is rumour circulating, Chinese 5g sucks oxygen out of human lungs.

I don’t know if true.

People in UK should buy made-in-Vietnam 5g equipment now.

Viet, you really have no shame. Vietnam 5g is just like put a 3g with 5g cover.

 

[Viet]

Viet, you really have no shame. Vietnam 5g is just like put a 3g with 5g cover.

We are honest people.
When we sell 5g, then it is 5g in the box.
We are not certain people that sell fake 5g, or fake rice.

 

[flowerfan2020]

We are honest people.
When we sell 5g, then it is 5g in the box.
We are not certain people that sell fake 5g, or fake rice.

Can you enlighten me what kind 5g of technology Vietnam has?

 

[IblinI]

We are honest people.
When we sell 5g, then it is 5g in the box.
We are not certain people that sell fake 5g, or fake rice.

proudly Made in Vietnam and little viets are buying this story when its country has literally zero patents on 5G technology, looks like Trump admin should switch its focus onto Viettel.
Again, act like a 40 years old man as you claim.

 

[Thamizh Puli]

H1Bs go to Indians who take jobs away from qualified Americans. When will real Americans be able to get jobs?

there was an answer for this great question till Jan 31 2020. Since then the answer has changed. Here is the new answer. It is several points combined as follows:

1. US will be identifying a large number of items that MUST be manufactured in the US with only minor participation from other (friendly) countries. These will create jobs and cut down dependency on China for these products. There is already bi-partisan agreement in principle for this.

2. US will finally embark on the infrastructure revamp. This creates two kinds of jobs : onsite and stateside jobs for execution & a lot of steel/rubber/machinery/raw material production.
Steel: suppliers will be US mills ---> 90% jobs
Machinery ----> US, 2 EU countries, Japan ---> 40% US jobs
Rubber, other material ---> proc& conversion ---> 50% Asia jobs; 25% US jobs; 25% CA,MX
Infrastructure intelligence ---> 60% US jobs, 25% India jobs, 15% Israel jobs

3. US, Japan & India with participation by UK, Australia, Canada - will invest heavily on industrial robots to kill the slight edge China has as of now - this will play out over the next 5 years.

It is in #3 that I see some challenge as China has already stolen & developed somewhat sufficient domestic technology. But Chinese are no match for American ingenuity so it will be an interesting tussle to see how these two great nations duke it out.

How dump a person who would believed those crap?

Think you meant dumB not dump. and yes some of us are dumb enough to trust objective data, surveys etc. We don't let a single party single voice entity such as CCP rule over the entire country and mandate that the population parrot whatever they are told.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

there was an answer for this great question till Jan 31 2020. Since then the answer has changed. Here is the new answer. It is several points combined as follows:

1. US will be identifying a large number of items that MUST be manufactured in the US with only minor participation from other (friendly) countries. These will create jobs and cut down dependency on China for these products. There is already bi-partisan agreement in principle for this.

2. US will finally embark on the infrastructure revamp. This creates two kinds of jobs : onsite and stateside jobs for execution & a lot of steel/rubber/machinery/raw material production.
Steel: suppliers will be US mills ---> 90% jobs
Machinery ----> US, 2 EU countries, Japan ---> 40% US jobs
Rubber, other material ---> proc& conversion ---> 50% Asia jobs; 25% US jobs; 25% CA,MX
Infrastructure intelligence ---> 60% US jobs, 25% India jobs, 15% Israel jobs

3. US, Japan & India with participation by UK, Australia, Canada - will invest heavily on industrial robots to kill the slight edge China has as of now - this will play out over the next 5 years.

It is in #3 that I see some challenge as China has already stolen & developed somewhat sufficient domestic technology. But Chinese are no match for American ingenuity so it will be an interesting tussle to see how these two great nations duke it out.



Think you meant dumB not dump. and yes some of us are dumb enough to trust objective data, surveys etc. We don't let a single party single voice entity such as CCP rule over the entire country and mandate that the population parrot whatever they are told.

oh my god that's rich. India investing in industrial robots. hahaha

 

[tower9]

there was an answer for this great question till Jan 31 2020. Since then the answer has changed. Here is the new answer. It is several points combined as follows:

1. US will be identifying a large number of items that MUST be manufactured in the US with only minor participation from other (friendly) countries. These will create jobs and cut down dependency on China for these products. There is already bi-partisan agreement in principle for this.

2. US will finally embark on the infrastructure revamp. This creates two kinds of jobs : onsite and stateside jobs for execution & a lot of steel/rubber/machinery/raw material production.
Steel: suppliers will be US mills ---> 90% jobs
Machinery ----> US, 2 EU countries, Japan ---> 40% US jobs
Rubber, other material ---> proc& conversion ---> 50% Asia jobs; 25% US jobs; 25% CA,MX
Infrastructure intelligence ---> 60% US jobs, 25% India jobs, 15% Israel jobs

3. US, Japan & India with participation by UK, Australia, Canada - will invest heavily on industrial robots to kill the slight edge China has as of now - this will play out over the next 5 years.

It is in #3 that I see some challenge as China has already stolen & developed somewhat sufficient domestic technology. But Chinese are no match for American ingenuity so it will be an interesting tussle to see how these two great nations duke it out.



Think you meant dumB not dump. and yes some of us are dumb enough to trust objective data, surveys etc. We don't let a single party single voice entity such as CCP rule over the entire country and mandate that the population parrot whatever they are told.

Trump was pitching his infrastructure bill since before he was elected and it's gone nowhere. Perhaps there will be some progress now but the way that American governance is set up makes it difficult for even small residential projects to get built, let alone massive public infrastructure undertakings.

Also, China does not have a lead in industrial robots, it is actually way behind in that field.

 

[Thamizh Puli]

oh my god that's rich. India investing in industrial robots. hahaha

yup. Two really large erstwhile software exporters have dedicated several billions I am told

Trump was pitching his infrastructure bill since before he was elected and it's gone nowhere. Perhaps there will be some progress now but the way that American governance is set up makes it difficult for even small residential projects to get built, let alone massive public infrastructure undertakings.

Also, China does not have a lead in industrial robots, it is actually way behind in that field.

- By Am.Governance if you mean the dysfunctional rift between Dem & Rep parties yes; the actual tri-cameral system is pretty good. Like a lot of people, I am pinning hope on the pandemic crisis to help pierce thru that issue. Imagine, if they can stimulate with $2T in less than a month, the can do 10T in 6 months.

- yes, China is not the leader in industrial robots, but they do have an edge in produce large numbers of them once they are able to steal individual base designs and certain chips. That edge must be blunted.

1. Japan: US$2 billion (32.9% of total industrial robots exports)
2. Germany: $715.6 million (11.8%)
3. Italy: $432.3 million (7.1%)
4. France: $349.1 million (5.8%)
5. China: $265 million (4.4%)
6. Denmark: $255.3 million (4.2%)
7. United States: $251.1 million (4.1%)
8. Austria: $212.1 million (3.5%)
9. Sweden: $182.2 million (3%)
10. Netherlands: $175.5 million (2.9%)
11. South Korea: $173.7 million (2.9%)
12. Taiwan: $158.7 million (2.6%)
13. Singapore: $95.6 million (1.6%)
14. Luxembourg: $94.6 million (1.6%)
15. Spain: $94.5 million (1.6%)

 

[tower9]

yup. Two really large erstwhile software exporters have dedicated several billions I am told




- By Am.Governance if you mean the dysfunctional rift between Dem & Rep parties yes; the actual tri-cameral system is pretty good. Like a lot of people, I am pinning hope on the pandemic crisis to help pierce thru that issue. Imagine, if they can stimulate with $2T in less than a month, the can do 10T in 6 months.

- yes, China is not the leader in industrial robots, but they do have an edge in produce large numbers of them once they are able to steal individual base designs and certain chips. That edge must be blunted.

1. Japan: US$2 billion (32.9% of total industrial robots exports)
2. Germany: $715.6 million (11.8%)
3. Italy: $432.3 million (7.1%)
4. France: $349.1 million (5.8%)
5. China: $265 million (4.4%)
6. Denmark: $255.3 million (4.2%)
7. United States: $251.1 million (4.1%)
8. Austria: $212.1 million (3.5%)
9. Sweden: $182.2 million (3%)
10. Netherlands: $175.5 million (2.9%)
11. South Korea: $173.7 million (2.9%)
12. Taiwan: $158.7 million (2.6%)
13. Singapore: $95.6 million (1.6%)
14. Luxembourg: $94.6 million (1.6%)
15. Spain: $94.5 million (1.6%)

By governance I mean the system of building approvals, permits, planning, etc. The entire scope. In the US, it is excruciatingly slow. I guess if they can remove some red tape, it will help. I don't see it changing dramatically thouhg.

And yeah, China buys a lot of industrial robots, but it's manufacturing and technological capabilities in that department still lag especially when we are talking about advanced industrial robots used on factory floors. It is catching up though.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

yup. Two really large erstwhile software exporters have dedicated several billions I am told

I'm supposed to believe that India can build industrial robots with less patents than a single company in China, with an abundance of the cheapest labor on earth making less than $2 a day, and without even steady access to electricity for 25% of the country?

lmao.