How would the World look like today if WW2 never happened?

[bosanski vojnik]

Some historians have noted that WW2 was a "necessary" war especially considering that the current geopolitical order of our planet is based on the latter stages and immediate post-war period of that brutal conflict.

However nobody asks what if there was no war? How different would life be like?

I would imagine that There would have been some sort of frozen conflict between the Allies and Nazi Germany + Fascist Italy and both states would today be a sort of European North Korea/Apartheid South Africa hybrid.

Fascist Italy would have had it's satellites in the Balkans and Nazi Germany would have probably managed a full occupation of Czechoslovakia and Austria and be content with just that. After a while they would probably have used Poland as a bargaining chip with the Allies instead of Full on Invasion.

UK would probably have retained most of it's colonies in Africa, still lost India and some North African states but Invaded Republic of Ireland as a sort of Nationalist compensation to satisfy their own populace.

There would be no state of Israel for obvious reasons.

Soviet Union would still exist however they would have been much weaker than post 1945 in the real world. I imagine the Soviets would have been involved in a limited conflict with both the Nazis and the Allies. Soviet Satellites in Eastern Europe would be minimal - maybe one or two Baltic states, Moldova and possibly Romania.

I imagine Turkey would have been in a much stronger position. Possibly occupying Bulgarian and Macedonian regions with Turkish populace and in the middle east re-taking the Iraqi City of Mosul

USA would be like China today. A rising economic power but not really involved enough military elsewhere to be a true global leader. USA would probably have been very isolationist in nature.

China would be in political turmoil as the balance of power between Nationalists and Communists would be tested and frequent conflicts would brake out followed by reconciliation governments and various peace treaties.

Japan would be Asia's leading power and use divide and conquer tactics on Communists and Nationalists to establish a"peace keeping" presence on the Chinese mainland and annex Manchuria, Hong Kong, Southern half of Korea and Tapei over time.

what do you think?

 

[Georg]

Your anlys has one big mistake.... you think that the pre war government and existing form of government still exist today... dictatorship in Germany Italy and Military Dictatorship in Japan (with the Emperor as a muppet)

Both dictatorships would not survive into the 1950´s because in the long run after some years the citizen would realize that everything is a show with nothing behind. Without a war it is hard to press the citizen into no rights no free thinking... specially in Germany with it´s exposed position in central europe it would have been hard to keep the people inline with the system... that the citizen have the power to remove even the hardest regim with a huge spy system have shown the people in east Germany and Iran.... no dictator has the power to overcome the will of the people... in Iran hundret of thousends went on the street against the Shaw and told the Army... kill us and tomorrow there are two million demonstrants on the street... same was in Germany the thousends and hundred thousend walked through the streets crying... Wir sind das Volk... we are the folk... the police and Army had not the will and not the power to stop this.

My guess...the world would political look very similar to that what we have today... sure some boarders would look different and one thing for sure the technology level would be much lower... today we would perhaps enter the age of the first PC and jet airliner...


My guess ...

UK would also has lost its Empire...
Germany would have turned back into a democracy late 1940´s early 1950´s
Italy would have turned back into a democracy even earlyer.
USA would have been the China of today... weak Army but strong economy
USSR would have fallen appart earlyer and would have left a Russia and the other states like they are today but not as weak... the costs of the cold war ruined USSR and Russia
Without war China would not have turned to communism and would turn much earlyer into a industrial powerhouse and would be the dominant nation in asia
Japan would be struggeling ..it industrial revolution started with the military, without the war the industrial revolution would happen at a much lower speed and the war removed the military cast system from japan which allowed the enorm quick groth to a industrial giant... without war this would all not happen... japan would spend huge ammount of money of its GDP into the military... it would be a very closed nation with very limited relations to other nations..
Africa would doing better than today... without the war the US and European Armys would never be strong enough to keep Africa under control...
Middle east...would be most likely more peaceful and doing econmy better than today... ww2 brought us two Superpowers that fought each other around the world through other nations... many of them in the middle east...
Israel would not exist and for that reason one big reason for all the problems would not be there.. most likely we would have much better relations between middle east and europe and middle east and USA.
It would also reduce the ammount of close minded muslims.... just look were Afghanistan was befor USSR opend war on it and the west pushed the radiclas against the red army... this turned a developing modern nation back into the hands of middle ages thinking leaders...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

WW1 is what is more relevant to Muslims

 

[Indus Pakistan]

WW1 is what is more relevant to Muslims

Wrong. WW2 played a profound role in making of the Muslim world.

Europe

Germany ~ I do not think Germany would have become democratic by 1950. Democracy was alien to the German nation. Without the WW2 defeat and the post war reconstruction of Germany under the Anglo-American order demoracy or liberal democracy would not have taken root. Germany would still have a highly centralized state with a strong man running it. Something similar to Russia. Europe would be divided into at least three blocks. There would be no western order. Instead we would have three axis Europe. Atlantic - UK, France, Scandics under US influence. [ii]Central Europe - Germany, Western Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Austria. [iii]Russia - Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Serbia etc

And then the smaller states continiously shifting their alliances to garner maximum benefit.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Every muslim child should learn about WW1

 

[Georg]

Wrong. WW2 played a profound role in making of the Muslim world.

Europe

Germany ~ I do not think Germany would have become democratic by 1950. Democracy was alien to the German nation. Without the WW2 defeat and the post war reconstruction of Germany under the Anglo-American order demoracy or liberal democracy would not have taken root. Germany would still have a highly centralized state with a strong man running it. Something similar to Russia. Europe would be divided into at least three blocks. There would be no western order. Instead we would have three axis Europe. Atlantic - UK, France, Scandics under US influence. [ii]Central Europe - Germany, Western Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Austria. [iii]Russia - Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Serbia etc

And then the smaller states continiously shifting their alliances to garner maximum benefit.

I hope you know that befor the NAZIS took over power Germany was a democracy... and the time was the golden age of cultur and art... Berlin was the cultur and art center of europe, Berlin was in the 1920´s one of the most tollerant capitals on earth. The people missed that spirit under the nazis...

 

[fitpOsitive]

WW1 is what is more relevant to Muslims

Trust me, it will be WWIII that will concern muslims even more...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I hope you know that befor the NAZIS took over power Germany was a democracy... and the time was the golden age of cultur and art... Berlin was the cultur and art center of europe, Berlin was in the 1920´s one of the most tollerant capitals on earth. The people missed that spirit under the nazis...

I maybe of Pakistani origin but I was brought up in UK. History is integral to the British school curriculum. Central to that history curriculum is the two world wars that went on to define British history in the 20th century. And central to that is Germany. So it's not possible to go through the British education system without looking at Germany and Weimar republic is central to that. In fact my O level history course went back to the Germany unification and then went year by year to the 1940s. So yes I do know.

The Weimar Republic which was manifestation of German democracy merely exposed the extreme weak nature of German democratic polity. I think you will know that in the first instence Weimar Republic only lasted exactly 168 months or 14 years and even during that time struggled along or hobbled like limp man on crutches with extremist forces ripping it's innards until Hitler won and put it out of it's misery with his Reich.

And culture, science or art have little to do with democracy. It was the capital of high culture, art and science that presided over the greatest descent in human barbarity that history has ever recorded. I don't need to go into details as you will be more aware then me.

Just as note my daughter was in Humboldt University, Berlin last year and she was entirely impressed by the decency of the German people. In fact it is her opinion that Germans are the second nicest people to British and in many ways very similiar. Indeed according to her it was impossible to juxtapose the people she stayed with and the recent history. Clearly post war under Anglo-American control Germany went through some form of national exculpation that cleansed it and built the Germany you have today.