How women in Neelam Valley ensured ceasefire at the Line of Control

[shahbaz baig]

What a human tragedy. Just accept LoC as IB and let the people of J&K choose either citizenship and move to either part.

LoC is a border no one can justify whatever is happening in J&K which is miles far away from LoC.. and why people of J&K should leave they are real representative of Kashmir valley and have 5000 years Indus civilization history, however to accept any faith or religion is a choice of human and they accepted islam, and accepting any religion does not mean to leave the ancestor place

 

[Jackdaws]

LoC is a border no one can justify whatever is happening in J&K which is miles far away from LoC.. and why people of J&K should leave they are real representative of Kashmir valley and have 5000 years Indus civilization history, however to accept any faith or religion is a choice of human and they accepted islam, and accepting any religion does not mean to leave the ancestor place

You do realize the Indus Valley Civilization spans across both nations. The Valley belongs to ethnic Kashmiris. This includes the Pandits. So not all accepted Islam. Let's not forget Punjab and Bengal were divided too. Important Sikh places of worship and history lie in present day Pakistan.

 

[Kuru]

Pakistan should support kashmiri struggle diplomatically, morally.. however Kashmir struggle is 100% indigenous after killing Burhan wani.. Pakistan is nothing to do with it..

I have no problem Pakistan supports this so called struggle diplomatically. But that's not what the article says.

The article proves India's point that Pakistan supported militants during the 90s. Whatever happened after that (Burhan) is because of this militancy and only Pakistan is responsible for all the deaths.

LoC is a border no one can justify whatever is happening in J&K which is miles far away from LoC.. and why people of J&K should leave they are real representative of Kashmir valley and have 5000 years Indus civilization history, however to accept any faith or religion is a choice of human and they accepted islam, and accepting any religion does not mean to leave the ancestor place

But Hindu Kashmiris were thrown out of the Valley by "Muslim Freedom Fighters." The mosques in Kashmir announced on their loud speakers that Kashmiri Hindus should get out of Kashmir. All this happened with the blessings of Pakistan authorities. Look what human tragedy you've caused. Kashmiri Hindus have to live as refugees in their own country.

 

[shahbaz baig]

You do realize the Indus Valley Civilization spans across both nations. The Valley belongs to ethnic Kashmiris. This includes the Pandits. So not all accepted Islam. Let's not forget Punjab and Bengal were divided too. Important Sikh places of worship and history lie in present day Pakistan.

unfortunately this mess turned on behalf of religion and no one wanna accept the presence of opponent.. now my question is what both country have done yet to accept the presence of Indus Civilization ? both did nothing except exploiting the issues. and this will continue until both dont understand & overcome the issues.
@Kuru

I have no problem Pakistan supports this so called struggle diplomatically. But that's not what the article says.

The article proves India's point that Pakistan supported militants during the 90s. Whatever happened after that (Burhan) is because of this militancy and only Pakistan is responsible for all the deaths.

You just cant blame and should not blame to anyone for your own dishonesty with kashmiri people.. offcourse when you call us enemy so everything is right in war & love according to india.

 

[Jackdaws]

unfortunately this mess turned on behalf of religion and no one wanna accept the presence of opponent.. now my question is what both country have done yet to accept the presence of Indus Civilization ? both did nothing except exploiting the issues. and this will continue until both dont understand & overcome the issues.
@Kuru


You just cant blame and should not blame to anyone for your own dishonesty with kashmiri people.. offcourse when you call us enemy so everything is right in war & love according to india.

Yes, and ethnic Kashmiris on both sides will continue to suffer

 

[Kuru]

unfortunately this mess turned on behalf of religion and no one wanna accept the presence of opponent.. now my question is what both country have done yet to accept the presence of Indus Civilization ? both did nothing except exploiting the issues. and this will continue until both dont understand & overcome the issues.
@Kuru

The only possible outcome is that Pakistan should learn from their past mistakes and stop harbouring terrorists (they've already killed more than 60k Pakistanis).

Once this happens, India will be ready to come to the table for negotiations.

The most possible outcome is to convert LoC into the IB and live happily. Because we both are nuclear powers and can't snatch the territory from each other come what may.

You just cant blame and should not blame to anyone for your own dishonesty with kashmiri people.. offcourse when you call us enemy so everything is right in war & love according to india.

Our dishonesty? Did you know that Pakistan doesn't act on the UN resolution about Kashmir. is it our fault my friend?

And if everything is right in love and war then don't complain when Indian Army shells the Neelam Valley and 3000 people die there. After all it's war right?

 

[shahbaz baig]

The only possible outcome is that Pakistan should learn from their past mistakes and stop harbouring terrorists (they've already killed more than 60k Pakistanis).

Once this happens, India will be ready to come to the table for negotiations.

The most possible outcome is to convert LoC into the IB and live happily. Because we both are nuclear powers and can't snatch the territory from each other come what may.

in my opinion to convert LoC into the IB is not a solution in long term.. because kashmiri people would continue their struggle.. the only solution in my mind that india have to provide all the necessity to Kashmiri people without distinguishing the religion & faith and India failed to establish this narrative within 70 years..

The only possible outcome is that Pakistan should learn from their past mistakes and stop harbouring terrorists (they've already killed more than 60k Pakistanis).

Once this happens, India will be ready to come to the table for negotiations.

The most possible outcome is to convert LoC into the IB and live happily. Because we both are nuclear powers and can't snatch the territory from each other come what may.


Our dishonesty? Did you know that Pakistan doesn't act on the UN resolution about Kashmir. is it our fault my friend?

And if everything is right in love and war then don't complain when Indian Army shells the Neelam Valley and 3000 people die there. After all it's war right?

now please forgot about UN resolution neither india accepted the UN resolution nor pakistan and both denied to vacate their army from kashmir valley. yes it's Indian dishonestly with kashmiri people. most of kashmiri youth are unable to find out the jobs & you see them all as enemy..

 

[Kuru]

in my opinion to convert LoC into the IB is not a solution in long term.. because kashmiri people would continue their struggle.. the only solution in my mind that india have to provide all the necessity to Kashmiri people without distinguishing the religion & faith and India failed to establish this narrative within 70 years..

When did India distinguish Kashmiris on the bases of religion and faith? Please tell me more about it.

now please forgot about UN resolution neither india accepted the UN resolution nor pakistan and both denied to vacate their army from kashmir valley. yes it's Indian dishonestly with kashmiri people. most of kashmiri youth are unable to find out the jobs & you see them all as enemy..

Our enemies are terrorists which are supported MATERIALLY by Pakistan. It's a Fact.

Fact #2: Pakistan didn't honour UN resolution about Kashmir.

If LoC isn't converted into the IB then we're fine with the status quo. No rush.

 

[Etilla]

Muslims are not native to J&K.

Invaders once subdued can go back to their homeland instead of creating drama of struggle

 

[shahbaz baig]

When did India distinguish Kashmiris on the bases of religion and faith? Please tell me more about it.

since day one India is distinguishing on the bases of religion. and you know it very well too but asking me to tell the real thought of Indian Army...

kill him kill him he has bread (religious point of view), without knowing that either he is mujahid or not.. mujahid will love to die rather then crying. he was not with weapon but your indian army killed him just because he had bread..

Our enemies are terrorists which are supported MATERIALLY by Pakistan. It's a Fact.

Your first enemy is your own ego after that there is Pakistan.

Fact #2: Pakistan didn't honour UN resolution about Kashmir.

Pakistan denied to vacate force, so what india did ? did India accept the UN Resolution ?

If LoC isn't converted into the IB then we're fine with the status quo. No rush.

Nops you will no longer be fine with your current attitude toward Kashmirs & Pakistan..

 

[Kuru]

kill him kill him he has bread (religious point of view), without knowing that either he is mujahid or not.. mujahid will love to die rather then crying. he was not with weapon but your indian army killed him just because he had bread..

Is that all you have to prove that India kills Kashmiris based on religion? Do you mean the Kashmiri terrorists are Christians? Or Parsis? Arent they Muslims ? Let's call spade a spade shall we ?

Your first enemy is your own ego after that there is Pakistan.

Our enemies are terrorists who are supported MATERIALLY by Pakistan. This article is saying EXACTLY that.

Pakistan denied to vacate force, so what india did ? did India accept the UN Resolution ?

Please tell me you haven't read the UN resolution about Kashmir. Because if you did read it, then you would've known that the Pakistan has to vacate her occupied part FIRST. Come back to me when Pakistan has done it.

Nops you will no longer be fine with your current attitude toward Kashmirs & Pakistan..

70 years. And we're doing fine.

 

[shahbaz baig]

Is that all you have to prove that India kills Kashmiris based on religion? Do you mean the Kashmiri terrorists are Christians? Or Parsis? Arent they Muslims ? Let's call spade a spade shall we ?

it was just a video to prove my point.. no one can shoot the video of every incident that can relate to religious. and the truth is your Indian army killing innocent muslims, raping innocent muslim womans because you just want get rid of muslims, and this is your narrative about kashmir.. you can read the indian comments as well, they all want to get rid of muslims from kashmir. & this should be enough to prove my point that not only indian majority but also indian army is targeting innocent Muslims in Kashmir since long time.

Our enemies are terrorists who are supported MATERIALLY by Pakistan. This article is saying EXACTLY that.

Britishers used to say the same that our enemy is Bhagat Singh or whoelse were against Britishers. you cant deny the indigenous freedom struggle of anyone..

Please tell me you haven't read the UN resolution about Kashmir. Because if you did read it, then you would've known that the Pakistan has to vacate her occupied part FIRST. Come back to me when Pakistan has done it.

i suggest you dont thump your chest. it was india who objected the UN resolution first

Both India and Pakistan raised objections to the Resolution 47.

India objected first of all that the resolution placed India and Pakistan on an equal footing, ignoring the complaint of Pakistani aggression and Kashmir's legal accession to India. Secondly, it objected to the absence of allowance for it to retain troops in the state for its defence. It also felt the requirement of a coalition government would put Sheikh Abdullah, then Prime Minister of Kashmir, in an impossible position. It said that the powers conferred on the Plebiscite Administrator were far too wide and undermined the state's sovereignty. It felt that provision for the return of all refugees was unrealistic. Finally, India wanted Pakistan to be excluded from the conduct of the plebiscite.[14]

Pakistan objected to the retention of the Indian forces in Kashmir, even at the minimum level allowed by the resolution. It wanted an equal representation in the government of the state for the Muslim Conference, the dominant party of the Pakistani-held Kashmir.[14] The Pakistani government circles felt that the Security Council deliberations had been favourable to Pakistan but the final proposals were modified by the United States and Britain to "mollify" India. Britain came in for particular criticism.[15]

Both the sides however welcomed the UN Commission and agreed to work with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_47

70 years. And we're doing fine.

how long ? One day it will return to you whatever you did..

 

[Etilla]

since day one India is distinguishing on the bases of religion. and you know it very well too but asking me to tell the real thought of Indian Army...

kill him kill him he has bread (religious point of view), without knowing that either he is mujahid or not.. mujahid will love to die rather then crying. he was not with weapon but your indian army killed him just because he had bread..



Your first enemy is your own ego after that there is Pakistan.

Pakistan denied to vacate force, so what india did ? did India accept the UN Resolution ?

Nops you will no longer be fine with your current attitude toward Kashmirs & Pakistan..

Our armed forces do not kill people on the basis of them possessing grain/food be it bread or milk.

 

[Kuru]

it was just a video to prove my point.. no one can shoot the video of every incident that can relate to religious. and the truth is your Indian army killing innocent muslims, raping innocent muslim womans because you just want get rid of muslims, and this is your narrative about kashmir.. you can read the indian comments as well, they all want to get rid of muslims from kashmir. & this should be enough to prove my point that not only indian majority but also indian army is targeting innocent Muslims in Kashmir since long time.

We'll kill every terrorist who wants to break India. If these terrorists are happen to be Muslims then it's not our fault.

Going by the same logic, you should've never launched Zarb E Azb because all terrorists killed by Pakistan army were Muslims

Britishers used to say the same that our enemy is Bhagat Singh or whoelse were against Britishers. you cant deny the indigenous freedom struggle of anyone..

But Bhagat Singh wasn't supported by Russia lol. He did it on his own. Unlike Kashmiri Muslim terrorists who are supported MATERIALLY by Pakistan (the article says that, not me).

Please come up with better comparison next time.

i suggest you dont thump your chest. it was india who objected the UN resolution first

Both India and Pakistan raised objections to the Resolution 47.

India objected first of all that the resolution placed India and Pakistan on an equal footing, ignoring the complaint of Pakistani aggression and Kashmir's legal accession to India. Secondly, it objected to the absence of allowance for it to retain troops in the state for its defence. It also felt the requirement of a coalition government would put Shaikh Abdullah, then Prime Minister of Kashmir, in an impossible position. It said that the powers conferred on the Plebiscite Administrator were far too wide and undermined the state's sovereignty. It felt that provision for the return of all refugees was unrealistic. Finally, India wanted Pakistan to be excluded from the conduct of the plebiscite.

Pakistan objected to the retention of the Indian forces in Kashmir, even at the minimum level allowed by the resolution. It wanted an equal representation in the government of the state for the Muslim Conference, the dominant party of the Pakistani-held Kashmir.The Pakistani government circles felt that the Security Council deliberations had been favourable to Pakistan but the final proposals were modified by the United States and Britain to "mollify" India. Britain came in for particular criticism.

Both the sides however welcomed the UN Commission and agreed to work with it.

So both India and Pakistan objected the resolution? Ok.

So did the resolution get amended ?
No

So what the resolution says now?
It says, Pakistan has to vacate from its occupied territories in Kashmir. Only then the plebiscite can be conducted.

So what does it mean ?
It means, Pakistan isn't acting on the UN resolution about Kashmir.

I hope it's clear who's at fault here.

how long ? One day it will return to you whatever you did..

Oh Karma. That's a Hinduana concept. There's a way to look at it. What's happening right now in Kashmir is YOUR Karma. We're just retaliating for your past actions.

 

[EAK]

70 years of occupation and murdering real kashmiris, thousands of south Punjabi civilian kids dead and yet Pakistanis dream of becoming conquerers.

Tagging all Indian trolls ideally with terrorist profile names. Let's not read the topic it might be inconvenient let's start mindless sloganeering and a circle jerk.

My God.. What kind of delusions you guys live in.. Your Establishment controlled media has literally taken over your pie sized brains.. ..Let me tell you my family tree have 50+ generations (peeri as we call it in our language) from AZAD kashmir .. So what do you think am I not the real kashmiri ??
If your answer is YES then you can also go back to your ancestral land Africa..
If your answer is NO then being a local i assure My people will choose Pakistan any given day..
Here every one hates india..

Muslims are not native to J&K.

Invaders once subdued can go back to their homeland instead of creating drama of struggle

With this logic you should return back to Africa ..