How will our J10B be used?

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Do you guys think that our J10B will be used in more of strike role or just protecting our vital assets and cities ?

With F16 C/D and F16 MLU , and JF17 thunder I am just wondering how will the J10B be used by our airforce ?

The J10B would be a great upgrade for our airforce no doubt it would be great joyous moment to get these -untainted planes

Is there any news that we might increase the numbers of our J10B purchase ? in upcoming years

I personally feel that since these planes will be equiped with awac hunter missiles we might just see these planes as the front runners in missions into our hostile nemisses (who ever they may be)

Would be use any of these as Tactical Nuc carriers ? what are the probabilities - that we could equip these J10B with at leats 1 nuclear war head missile?

If it has 11 hard points , I mean an ace Pilot in PAF can literally take out 11 enemy planes all by himself that is some serous fire power

Are chinese also working on some avionics upgrade to level of sniper targeting pods ?

36 J10B - would be a great day when we get these in our airforce

I would probbly like to see 4 pairs each stationed in different bases with either J17 or F16 C/D

18 planes squadron ....

4J10B
4JF17 Thunders
2F16 C/D
8Mirage

Just a nice setup if we can just somehow upgrade our Mirages sooner it would be wonderful

 

[Luftwaffe]

Azad yaar, Have you gone throught J-10/FC-20 MRCA thread.

 

[Chanakyaa]

J10s are very potent Multirole Fighters.
They will fill the same role as MMRCA/Mirage 2K in IAF.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Yar , just that becasue there is no blood driping from the J10B it just would be a great addition to our airforce - its a simple deal - we signed contract we get planes

I love F16C/D additions but I just think that the J10B would be extremely potent force multiplier

I am interested to know just how can it be effectively integrated with our existing airforce setup , I mean it can't talk to F16C/D transfer data etc so that is a big handicap but hopefully it can better serve with the JF17 thunder in term of exchanging data (situational awareness) etc so all the fighters in air can view the broader picture of the battle.

I guess the real test would be when we will get the Chinese AWACS and then we can truely see how the JF17 and J10B can use the data from the chinese awacs and function in battle fields in actual operations.....

One thing that does bothers me is that I have not seen any simulators for our pilots do we have simulators in PAF I keep seeing pictues where instructors are teaching pilots fighting patterns via models and no videos or simulations (visual etc like on computers)

Do we really lack back in that area ? But china has demostrated they have simulators for their planes etc as these are demonstrated in expos and exhibitions etc

Well we are 2010 still 3 years from deliveries of our J10B fighters but still these planes would be a great addition and probbly from performance 1J1OB would probbly replace 4-5 mirages so it would be a great boost

 

[M8R]

Largely A2A or A2G in strike package with escorts provided by Block 52.

 

[Kompromat]

Do you guys think that our J10B will be used in more of strike role or just protecting our vital assets and cities ?

Since PAF has a defensive doctrine - yes in a wider perspective it would be used in Air defense role but if the war broke out it would be the first one alongside vipers to strike deep in enemy Territory.

The Current J-10A has a mind bending speed of mach-2.2 at altitudes which is alot of speed for a single Engine Fighter.

With a more powerful engine-reduced weight as being done J-10B-with Divertless supersonic Intakes it is possible that it may supercruise too and can increase its top speed and acceleration thus giving the pilot a Responsive platform to fly.

With F16 C/D and F16 MLU , and JF17 thunder I am just wondering how will the J10B be used by our airforce ?

F-16's All of them + FC-20 would be our Frontline fighters while JFT would be widely used for CAS and air defense role , Ground attack within our territory.

The J10B would be a great upgrade for our airforce no doubt it would be great joyous moment to get these -untainted planes

Is there any news that we might increase the numbers of our J10B purchase ? in upcoming years

We will buy 150 of them 36 is just an initial batch.

Pakistan to buy up to 150 Chengdu J-10 fighter jets from China - ******** Forums

I personally feel that since these planes will be equiped with awac hunter missiles we might just see these planes as the front runners in missions into our hostile nemisses (who ever they may be)

Dont need them-we already have treatment for Phalcon.

Would be use any of these as Tactical Nuc carriers ? what are the probabilities - that we could equip these J10B with at leats 1 nuclear war head missile?

All frontline Fighters are capable of carrying tactical nukes.

If it has 11 hard points

It already has - notice the wingtip Missiles ??

Targeting pod is there too.

Are chinese also working on some avionics upgrade to level of sniper targeting pods ?

FC-20 would have next generation of Chinese avionics and AESA Radar and it is a test bed for 5th generation fighters-HMD/S and targeting pods are being developed.

36 J10B - would be a great day when we get these in our airforce

Yeah it would be- BTW thanks for not posting any of your lists

Regards:

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

How will the F16C/D or J10B solve our high altitude short coming
I read some where that our older planes (Mirages etc) could not chase some of the high altitude flying planes ? Is that a myth or actually there is some technical formality that as to be addressed ?

I did notice that our Nemisis (who ever that may be) in their MRCA plans did indicated they are seeking high altitude capable planes so I guess it does gives us an inside into the thinking of the nemisis what the likely strategy would be and since we do lack a (high altitude surface to air defence) that would be a risk that we do need to neutralize

 

[M8R]

Dude by high altitude they're looking for air plane that can take off from high altitude.All modern planes can go upto 65,000 feet but no jet fly at that height for dogfight or strike mission.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Yes well surface to air (high altitude is crucial)

 

[Nav]

Azad pakistan, Deal is not inked yet. Dnt knw why Govt is not finalising the deal, any recent news abt the J10-b deal?

 

[sancho]

If it has 11 hard points , I mean an ace Pilot in PAF can literally take out 11 enemy planes all by himself that is some serous fire power

It has 11 hardpoints, but only 9 of them are for weapons, the other 2 are for targeting, or EW pods.
J10s main aim in PAF will be air superiority, because especially the B's will be technically the best what PAF will have (AESA radar, highly manouverable, latest avionics...), alongside the new and upgraded F16s. The new B52s should be aimed on strikes, because of better A2G weapons and techs and CFTs, while JF 17 will remain mainly for point defense roles.
Will be interesting to hear about J10B's vs F16 B52s in PAF and where the F16 can keep up, or even remain superior, but that will take some more years.

 

[Joe Shearer]

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One thing that does bothers me is that I have not seen any simulators for our pilots do we have simulators in PAF I keep seeing pictues where instructors are teaching pilots fighting patterns via models and no videos or simulations (visual etc like on computers)

Do we really lack back in that area ? But china has demostrated they have simulators for their planes etc as these are demonstrated in expos and exhibitions etc

Dear Sir,

I am curious to know what you meant by that statement above.Which simulators are you referring to?

There are very many kinds of simulators, ranging from part-task trainers, which teach specific aspects of aircraft operation, for instance cockpit procedure trainers, to enable pilots to understand a newly inducted aircraft's cockpit and instrumentation layout, and to practise various scenarios and procedures till they become perfect at it, long before they sit in the aircraft proper; basic instrumentation trainers, that as a subset of a CPT can teach the basic instruments and their layout and operation alone; maintenance trainers, that teach maintenance staff how to undertake routine maintenance of a sub-system; all the way up to a full flight simulator.

There are even more advanced devices, or systems, rather, consisting of multiple devices connected together.

Nearly a decade ago, very simple simulators were designed and built in bulk for training pilots on a particular very widely used aircraft type; in the words of a senior officer, they were to be used even while not on roster to keep a pilot's 'hand in', and they were eminently suitable for the purpose. Another imported aircraft had a maintenance simulator at its regular maintenance base which explained the systems and sub-systems very clearly, and gave maintenance engineers an excellent introduction to maintenance procedures. It was of very quality and great training value, and it was sought to be replicated for other aircraft types. Another example was to teach technicians how to dismantle ejection seats and service them, and was designed, built and distributed after one or two nasty incidents during regular maintenance.

These were the simple ones.

The great difficulty in building these without help from the original manufacturer is that without the full and complete knowledge of flight control systems used in the original aircraft, it is simply not possible to simulate the exact working of the original. What had to be done very often was to reverse engineer this through a very painful procedure, and frankly, this was not a desirable task; just a simple mental visualisation of the task will explain why.

One of the heart warming things about the Tejas design effort is that the flight control system can be straightaway plonked into a dummy cockpit, fully made up, and integrated with visual and motion systems, and the result is instant magical exactitude.

Simulators can cost up to Rs. 10 crores for a full flight simulator, and it is a funny market. Only CAE of Canada, Thales and Reflectone are left as serious players (my knowledge is more than a decade old); from your statement, the Chinese make simulators, and presumably they make good effective ones, but I have no personal knowledge of what they have done. There are others - you keep referring to a mysterious 'nemisis' in your posts, and, whoever they are, perhaps they might have one or two manufacturers ;-) - but these are the big international, readily available players.

Making these, all the way through PTTs through to a gleaming, shining full flight simulator, sitting on six degrees of freedom inducing hydraulics with a sweep of up to 30 feet, is a complicated task, which could take from six months at a minimum to two and a half years. The other systems referred to would take more.

Time to do the maths.; if there is a budget to buy these (development is frankly out of the question), they are capable of saving hundreds of person hours; they may even save lives. But they are so expensive, and so difficult to make unless there is complete access to technology, that most air forces don't have them.

If your statement is correct, then my guess is that there are few simulators available, the few available are rationed out for simulation practice on a tightly restrictive basis, and there is not much chance of getting multiple full simulators; a series of PTTs is probably the most rational decision. These are workmanlike, but not glamorous, and are probably used in a matter-of-fact way without much demonstration; sitting in a jiggling box on the ground is nowhere near the heroic image of throwing a multi-million dollar flying machine through various complicated manoeuvres in the sky.

I hope that this helps to understand the subject matter.

 

[Dr.Evil]

Has pakistan bought any of the J10's or are they just in the planning stage ?

 

[M8R]

Planning and Negotiation Stage.

 

[Storm Force]

Planning and Negotiation Stage.

The impression i got was J10 was a done deal inked dry ready for delivery in 2014 etc.