How will Nasr's Neutron warhead neutralize advancing enemy columns...

[zebra7]

Not really :/, I'll explain.

Explain what ??

1. NASR will 60 KM range has to be deployed close to the border.

2. TEL could be located with the survellance aircrafts and UAVs, Satellite Survellance, Human intelligence etc etc

3. NASR TEL could be targeted with the glide bombs, PGM, Long Range artillery, Long range Rocket system, Air launch Cruise Missile, short range Ballastic missile like Prahar.

4. Deployment of NASR will lower the Nuclear threshold, and the in case of indian thrust, the local comander will be in pressure whether to use or to LOOSE tactical nuclear Weapon.

5. NASR haven't been inducted in PA yet.

6. Probability is very high, that Pakistan don't have the Miniturized Nuclear Warhead for the M-20 of Aerospace Long-March International Trade Co Ltd (ALIT) of China/Hatf-9/NASR and don't have the unlimited number of missiles and TEL in its inventory.

Even more foolish to thing PA won't deploy SAMs on the ground, the Jaguar would be an easy target especially as it would be flying at lower altitudes. Plus it would have to loiter about to locate and target NASR TELs in a dense air-defense environment. Not feasible.

Jaguar is a dedicated ground attack aircraft, and can fly at very low altitude to avoid the Radar detection at very high speed. It could attack the TEL from the strandoff distance also.

 

[Zarvan]

This video in the end say's that Nasr basically contain a Neutron bomb. that's why it emit Neutrons only. so the area where Nasr is used can be utilized by human's after sometime (don't know how much ) by human's. so it mean's Pakistan can Use Nasr on it's own soil against Indian forces.... Seems Logical

@DESERT FIGHTER , @Zarvan , @Imran Khan .. Your thoughts sir

Using any nuclear warhead is suicidal. We need to develop MRLs like M270 and develop war heads which are massively deadly and can wipe out few square KM area but is not nuclear warhead.

 

[Dazzler]

A neutron bomb only affects living things.



And has invited an Indian first strike instead.

Hogwash, dare a venture and you'll see some not so pleasant consequences. Its a fact mate, live with it.

 

[Spectre]

That is some ego that quick in and out and no response... The planes would be taking off, the anti air would be ready... Remember, we know your targets well and we know how to reciprocate... Which is why there is alot of talk and no action...

Yes, the wonderful thing is that we as a nation are now convinced India has no designs of peace. Any attempt of an Indian attack will be neutered as it enters our borders, remember we look quite a bit inside your borders... Whether it is our radars or our HUMINT we shall know and respond and all that will happen is a loss of a few planes and a lot of chest thumping for more action. A very immature post... This time or that time, whatever keeps you happy.
Must I get down to your level, then be it... Your planes are hardly air worthy half the time, the army can not train without its troop dying of heat, and you want to talk about attacking others... This is the level of response that post deserves. What is the air force going to use its Su 30s with their mile long RCS will be a little duck saying shoot me. The big bird will be shot down if it does not crash first, maybe a few even penetrate but by then the camps will be emptied. Shoot and destroy a training course or a single building, and beat your chests and mourn the loss of the pilots killed because their leaders were idiots.
let us keep what if's to a level which is believable. Or else get these type of responses....

I think you missed or deliberately omitted the below portion of my prior post.

I will anticipate your response and add the following

1. Any losses will be minimal to the Kashmiri Freedom fighters as you call them and quickly replenished with a even bigger amount. It will also incite Pakistani pop against India and as such prove counter productive

2. There is no guarantee that mirages, su-30 and para sf will make it back out.

I agree but noone ever said WAR is a RISKFREE enterprise.

 

[Tipu7]

Using any nuclear warhead is suicidal. We need to develop MRLs like M270 and develop war heads which are massively deadly and can wipe out few square KM area but is not nuclear warhead.

Phr M270 k pechae pr gya he .........

 

[Dazzler]

Explain what ??

1. NASR will 60 KM range has to be deployed close to the border.

2. TEL could be located with the survellance aircrafts and UAVs, Satellite Survellance, Human intelligence etc etc

3. NASR TEL could be targeted with the glide bombs, PGM, Long Range artillery, Long range Rocket system, Air launch Cruise Missile, short range Ballastic missile like Prahar.

4. Deployment of NASR will lower the Nuclear threshold, and the in case of indian thrust, the local comander will be in pressure whether to use or to LOOSE tactical nuclear Weapon.

5. NASR haven't been inducted in PA yet.

6. Probability is very high, that Pakistan don't have the Miniturized Nuclear Warhead for the M-20 of Aerospace Long-March International Trade Co Ltd (ALIT) of China/Hatf-9/NASR and don't have the unlimited number of missiles and TEL in its inventory.

Jaguar is a dedicated ground attack aircraft, and can fly at very low altitude to avoid the Radar detection at very high speed. It could attack the TEL from the strandoff distance also.

Jaguars will be a target practice for MANPADS at best.

 

[volatile]

Indian dhoti checkmate

I wouldn't refer to it as this ,but hell yea it makes sense

 

[Moon]

Jaguar is a dedicated ground attack aircraft, and can fly at very low altitude to avoid the Radar detection at very high speed. It could attack the TEL from the strandoff distance also.

PA has SAM batteries and radars dedicated for low flying aircrafts (hint: Giraffe)

5. NASR haven't been inducted in PA yet.

The missile can carry nuclear warheads of appropriate yield, with high accuracy. Pakistan has claimed that it was designed to overcome missile defense systems. It is also claimed that this missile is accurate. However actual figures of the CEP have not been disclosed.[10][11] Mansoor Ahmed, of Quaid-e-Azam University’s Department of Defence and Strategic Studies : "Its in-flight maneuverability is being improved to defeat potential Indian missile defenses against artillery rockets and short-range ballistic missiles, such as the Israeli Iron Dome system.” He further went on to say that the system is “fully integrated into the centralized command-and-control structure through round the clock situational awareness in a digitized network centric environment to the decision makers at National Command Center. Nasr is obviously India-specific and the salvo launch capability is a key ability in stopping Indian armored thrusts into Pakistani territory." I know Wikipedia is a bad source but I'm a bit short on time.

Probability is very high

Probability is that India has dud missiles, with no warhead integration capability.

4. Deployment of NASR will lower the Nuclear threshold, and the in case of indian thrust, the local comander will be in pressure whether to use or to LOOSE tactical nuclear Weapon.

Don't ever think Pakistan will sacrifice larger missiles and their warheads, Nasr is a part of a complete nuclear deterrent against hostiles. If Nasr won't do it, we have many more else too.

and the in case of indian thrust

Unlikely due to poor condition of Indian armor at the time being.

 

[Gufi]

1. NASR will 60 KM range has to be deployed close to the border.

Wrong, assets can be moved easily in times of war, and declared ranges are not exact. Plus defensive lines are not exactly on the border... basic strategies....

2. TEL could be located with the survellance aircrafts and UAVs, Satellite Survellance, Human intelligence etc etc

Satellite surveillance, however you spelt that word is the only seemingly plausible option but then again we have been avoiding satellite surveillance for ages, we know how to hide our assets well.

3. NASR TEL could be targeted with the glide bombs, PGM, Long Range artillery, Long range Rocket system, Air launch Cruise Missile, short range Ballastic missile like Prahar.

They are not going to be standing out alone with a sign saying please bomb me, I am defence-less.

4. Deployment of NASR will lower the Nuclear threshold, and the in case of indian thrust, the local comander will be in pressure whether to use or to LOOSE tactical nuclear Weapon.

When you give someone the go button, you do it knowing he can take the pressure. And yes it lowers the threshold, which makes it perfect to stop any adventurism.

5. NASR haven't been inducted in PA yet.

No, we forgot to give it a red carpet induction and call out the pretty cheer girls.

6. Probability is very high, that Pakistan don't have the Miniturized Nuclear Warhead for the M-20 of Aerospace Long-March International Trade Co Ltd (ALIT) of China/Hatf-9/NASR and don't have the unlimited number of missiles and TEL in its inventory.

Yes, India has 3 billion tanks thus we need unlimited missiles and warheads. Nuclear war will break out after the use of one, we do not need 50.

Jaguar is a dedicated ground attack aircraft, and can fly at very low altitude to avoid the Radar detection at very high speed. It could attack the TEL from the strandoff distance also.

You have human intel which can find our tactical nucs which has alluded much greater scrutiny and search and our human intelligence, not to mention pigeon brigade will wave by as the pretty jet flies over head and probably throw flowers at it. The days of low flying are over, the border region is closely watched as are hundreds of kilometres inside Indian airspace.

@Dazzler handle your thread man, you really brought out great thinking minds with this thread..

 

[randomradio]

Hogwash, dare a venture and you'll see some not so pleasant consequences. Its a fact mate, live with it.

You mean to say Pak will use nukes on Indian troops and India will sit quiet?

 

[Moon]

Jaguars will be a target practice for MANPADS at best.

And this:

 

[Zarvan]

Phr M270 k pechae pr gya he .........

We need that kind of conventionial firepower to wipe out Indian Armor Brigades. For that we need something similar to M270. This NASR nuke thing is BS and suicidal.

 

[Gufi]

I think you missed or deliberately omitted the below portion of my prior post.

ok let us see,

1. They will have moved when the planes leave their air bases.
2. I disagree about making it out, they will not make it much further then the border. Small strategic strikes are impossible when we know you are coming. Come past the IB and we are ready to greet them properly.

 

[nik141993]

You mean to say Pak will use nukes on Indian troops and India will sit quiet?

India will sit quitely like 65,71 siachen 99 Pakistani logic & where the hell neutron bomb come from pakistani is using 1st generation of nuclear weapon design & claiming plutonium based weapon without a test @Nilgiri could you clarify about the design & test used by both country if i rember you posted something about it in past

 

[zebra7]

Jaguars will be a target practice for MANPADS at best.

LOL

Pakistan can actually discourage India’s Cold Start doctrine in two ways: by giving up its covert sub-conventional operations against India, or by formulating a prudent strategy to counter India’s proactive tactics. As has been argued by Rodney Jones, Pakistan need not resort to the nuclear option to counter India’s Cold Start doctrine since the results of the Azm-e-Nau III military exercises held in 2009-10 suggest that its conventional defences alone are fully capable of resisting a shallow penetration as envisaged by the Cold Start doctrine. 1

Secondly, does Pakistan’s development of battlefield nuclear weapons erode India’s no-first-use (NFU) policy? It is a contentious idea that the use of TNWs will not escalate into a full fledged nuclear war. It is irrelevant whether a target has been hit by a strategic or tactical weapon. A nuclear attack is a nuclear attack. To quote Air Chief Marshal P. V. Naik, “Tactical or strategic, it (NASR) is a nuclear weapon. Our response would be absolutely violent, if it is used, as per our existing policy. So, it's not a game-changer.” What this essentially means is that in the event India faces a nuclear attack, New Delhi will be left with no other choice but to use nuclear weapons in the form of a massive retaliation. In that case it makes little sense whether a strategic or tactical nuclear weapon or a long range or short range weapon is used, since the general response would be to carry out a punitive attack on the adversary.

There is no universal definition of TNWs and hence it is difficult to categorize them. They cannot be defined either by their range or yield. Notwithstanding their battlefield utility, TNWs can lead to uncontrolled escalation given their inherent tendency to obscure the decision-making process thus creating confusion and leading local commanders with pre-delegated authority to use them. Further, there is a risk that they could be grabbed by terrorist groups.

Although by definition TNWs are meant for employment against counterforce targets, they can also be potentially used for countervalue strikes. The moment a nuclear weapon whether tactical or strategic is used the deterrent factor suffers a failure. Thus, Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence against India will fail if it launches TNWs. Moreover, given the geographical proximity with India any detonation of TNWs by Pakistan will have radiation fallouts on the territories of both countries. Pakistan could thus find itself in a situation where it would be self-deterred. Considering the pros and cons of TNWs like NASR, it does not pose any advantage to Pakistan; it only creates disadvantages.