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A composite image shows what is believed to be the two Iranian passengers who used stolen passports to board a Malaysia Airlines flight that subsequently went missing. One of the two was seeking to relocate to Germany, Malaysian police said, while the other was believed to be travelling to Sweden, Swedish police said. (Azhar Rahim/EPA)

In the first few days after Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 disappeared over the South China Sea, the frustrating lack of clues led many to focus on one strange detail: Two people on board the flight were found to have been flying on stolen passports. The implication was clear.


New developments, however, suggest that the stolen passports were not a sign of terrorism. Instead, they appear to have been a byproduct of the hidden world of modern migration.

So what might have happened? Let's try and answer the big questions.

Who were the men traveling on stolen passports?
Malaysian authorities today announced that the two men on the flight were Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad, 19, and Delavar Seyed Mohammad Reza, 29, two Iranian citizens who boarded the flight with stolen Austrian and Italian documents.

Were these men trying to get out of Iran?
We can't say for sure, but tens of thousands of people emigrate from Iran every year. A sizable number are asylum seekers, under threat for their political activities, religious or ethnic background or their sexual orientation. While the United States used to be a top destination, tough immigration policies have made European countries such as the United Kingdom, Germany, Austria, Denmark and Sweden more favorable destinations.

Mehrdad is believed to have been attempting to emigrate to Germany: His mother was waiting for him in Frankfurt, and contacted Interpol when he didn't arrive. A Facebook page that appears to belong to him says he was feeling "excited" and had messages from friends wishing him a good trip. While Reza's final destination isn't confirmed, it seems likely he was also attempting to migrate.

But why go to Malaysia if they were trying to get to Europe?
The Malaysia part, of course, seems a little odd. Why would an Iranian hoping to migrate to Europe head thousands of miles in the wrong direction? While there are no accurate statistics about trends in how Iranians go about reaching their destination country, Thailand and Malaysia are among the countries with the most lax rules about allowing entry to Iranian nationals, and they are a relatively cheap journey. The pair also appeared to have a friend in Malaysia who they stayed with, according to ABC News.

And why book a flight to Amsterdam via Beijing?
Once in Malaysia, ABC News reports that the pair arranged over the phone to travel to Europe with an Iranian man known as "Mr. Ali," booking flights from Kuala Lumpur to Amsterdam via Beijing. Once in Amsterdam, their paths diverged, with one man going to Copenhagen and another to Frankfurt.

While Beijing looks like another unusual detour, the logic seems to be quite simple: Money. The Financial Times has reported that "Mr. Ali" had contacted Benjaporn Krutnait, owner of travel agency Grand Horizon Travel in Thailand, to book cheap flights to Europe for the two men on March 1. When Mr. Ali did not get back in contact in time, the flight reservations were lost, and she had to re-book the Malaysia Airlines flight through Beijing. The flight was chosen as it was the cheapest flight to Europe available.

So why did they need fake passports?
While it was easy to get into Malaysia on their Iranian passport, Europe is a whole other kettle of fish. The pair needed E.U. passports to get on the plane.

And where did they get them?
It isn't totally clear where they got the passports, but one Iranian friend reportedly told the BBC's Johnathan Head that they bought them in Iran and paid $10,000 each for them. Another possibility is Thailand, where the passports were stolen. Malaysian authorities have said that at least one of the men had arrived in Malaysia from Phuket, and according to the New York Times, U.S. law enforcement officials are said to be investigating a "so-called passport ring" on the Thai island.

Is it really that easy to get on a flight with a stolen passport?
The pair reportedly altered their appearance to look like the men in their passport pictures, and while the two passports were reported as stolen and put on Interpol's database of stolen documents, Malaysian authorities never checked that database.

According to the Times, the database, which has 40 million documents in it, is only regularly used by the United States, United Kingdom and United Arab Emirates. Even if the passports were discovered in Europe, the pair would likely have been able to apply for asylum, and they may well have had it granted: 52.8 percent of Iranian asylum seekers were granted either asylum or refugee protection in accordance with the Geneva Convention in 2013, according to the German Federal Office for Migration and Refugees.

Does this rule out terrorism?
“The more information we get, the more we are inclined to conclude it is not a terrorist incident,” Ronald Noble, secretary general of the international police agency Interpol, told reporters today.

At this point, however, nothing can be completely ruled out.

Jason Rezaian in Tehran and Stephanie Kirchner in Berlin contributed to this post.

How two Iranian guys apparently heading to Europe ended up on a Malaysian flight to China
 
This looks like a trafficking case, than terror because very few iranians are involved in freelance terror.
 
Most probably its an accident or Navigation system failure. But very strange. How far was this plane from Land. Was it closer to India, Vietnam, Phillipine ...........Non navel vessel able to catch this plane ?
 
Most probably its an accident or Navigation system failure. But very strange. How far was this plane from Land. Was it closer to India, Vietnam, Phillipine ...........Non navel vessel able to catch this plane ?

The problem is they were flying in pitch darkness. If for some reason the navigation system was in error they wouldn't know. However they never attempted to contact any foreign air traffic controllers after they left Malaysian airspace which is very unusual. Total silence from them.
 
The ill fated two Iranian do not seem to be linked to any terror plot. .

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I smell sth fishy. Like in Boston-Staged drama, they gradually released bits of info and tried to give it realistic turn of events. Unlike 911 where they started taking names more suddenly.

If the news of passenger's cell phones still ringing is true, then my conspiracy is even more strong.

In 911 Arabs were implicated. In 7/7 and 26/11 ethnic-Pakistanis, and in Boston Chechnyans,,, this time it could be "Iranians".

In Boston they made sure to kill one (or more?) Chinese student. Reaction of Chinese ppl wasn't as aggressive as they expected. So This time why not take the whole plane down full of Chinese passengers, and gradually expose it as a terror attack.Hoping that Chinese will finally be combative towards Muslims. At the same time maligning Iran.

I hope I am wrong.

They plan such things all the time:
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Those Iranians were on board that ill-fated Airplane and you are implying that the Iranians were some kind of Suicide Bombers.

Such a bizarre theory is not borne by any record of Iranians involved in Suicide Bombing.

Why would they want to kill themselves.

You don't make a lot of sense.

No, i didn't say what you understood. Never mind.

Did you watch the video? Think tank guy said Iranian submarine goes down & who knows it might never come back up again.! That's the kind of tactics I was pointing to. Like many alleged hijackers of 911 were found alive in Saudia...!!! Only their identities were used, they were NOT boarding those planes in person. That kind of thing. And about Boston, do you know 2 of alleged criminals were relatives of CIA's Graham Fuller.!!

But forget it, ignore my post.

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Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I smell sth fishy. Like in Boston-Staged drama, they gradually released bits of info and tried to give it realistic turn of events. Unlike 911 where they started taking names more suddenly.

If the news of passenger's cell phones still ringing is true, then my conspiracy is even more strong.

In 911 Arabs were implicated. In 7/7 and 26/11 ethnic-Pakistanis, and in Boston Chechnyans,,, this time it could be "Iranians".

In Boston they made sure to kill one (or more?) Chinese student. Reaction of Chinese ppl wasn't as aggressive as they expected. So This time why not take the whole plane down full of Chinese passengers, and gradually expose it as a terror attack.Hoping that Chinese will finally be combative towards Muslims. At the same time maligning Iran.

I hope I am wrong.



Those Iranians were on board that ill-fated Airplane and you are implying that the Iranians were some kind of Suicide Bombers.

Such a bizarre theory is not borne by any record of Iranians involved in Suicide Bombing.

These appear to be young modern Iranians trying to get out of Iran for European destinations for a better life.

Why would they want to kill themselves.

You are quoting the example of a Boston where the participants in the terror plot were Chechnian/Dagastani family, a people well known for their track record of Suicide missions.

You don't make a lot of sense.
 
Malaysia cut relationship with Iran and boycotted their product, they also banned Shi'asm in their country last year so perhaps the Mullah could be behind this since Shias are mostly Iranian loyalist which means they can be agents.

That was THE most stupid thing i have ever heard in my life
 
Like many alleged hijackers of 911 were found alive in Saudia...!!! Only their identities were used, they were NOT boarding those planes in person

Name the hijackers that were found alive in Saudi Arabia.
Don't just say they are alive I want you to the post the actual names of the ones who are alive.
There was a famous story about one guy who allegedly was alive in Saudi and his own relatives came forth and said it wasn't true and that he was missing and they hadn't seen him since he joined a group.

Examples of so-called "mistaken" identity that at first claimed to be "still alive" but then found later to be "still missing".:
Salem al-Hazmi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Waleed al-Shehri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wail al-Shehri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Saeed al-Ghamdi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Name the hijackers that were found alive in Saudi Arabia.
Don't just say they are alive I want you to the post the actual names of the ones who are alive.
There was a famous story about one guy who allegedly was alive in Saudi and his own relatives came forth and said it wasn't true and that he was missing and they hadn't seen him since he joined a group.

Examples of so-called "mistaken" identity that at first claimed to be "still alive" but then found later to be "still missing".:
Salem al-Hazmi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Waleed al-Shehri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wail al-Shehri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Saeed al-Ghamdi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
His crap have been debunked before by the German mag Der Spiegel. To people of limited critical thinking skills like him, it is not possible for two people to have the same names. Not possible for mistaken identity.
 
Those Iranians were on board that ill-fated Airplane and you are implying that the Iranians were some kind of Suicide Bombers.

Such a bizarre theory is not borne by any record of Iranians involved in Suicide Bombing.

These appear to be young modern Iranians trying to get out of Iran for European destinations for a better life.

Why would they want to kill themselves.

You are quoting the example of a Boston where the participants in the terror plot were Chechnian/Dagastani family, a people well known for their track record of Suicide missions.

You don't make a lot of sense.
as if his other theories ever made sense... lolz...
he is our resident conspiracy theorist . :smokin:
 
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I smell sth fishy. Like in Boston-Staged drama, they gradually released bits of info and tried to give it realistic turn of events. Unlike 911 where they started taking names more suddenly.

If the news of passenger's cell phones still ringing is true, then my conspiracy is even more strong.

In 911 Arabs were implicated. In 7/7 and 26/11 ethnic-Pakistanis, and in Boston Chechnyans,,, this time it could be "Iranians".

In Boston they made sure to kill one (or more?) Chinese student. Reaction of Chinese ppl wasn't as aggressive as they expected. So This time why not take the whole plane down full of Chinese passengers, and gradually expose it as a terror attack.Hoping that Chinese will finally be combative towards Muslims. At the same time maligning Iran.

I hope I am wrong.

They plan such things all the time:
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No, i didn't say what you understood. Never mind.

Did you watch the video? Think tank guy said Iranian submarine goes down & who knows it might never come back up again.! That's the kind of tactics I was pointing to. Like many alleged hijackers of 911 were found alive in Saudia...!!! Only their identities were used, they were NOT boarding those planes in person. That kind of thing. And about Boston, do you know 2 of alleged criminals were relatives of CIA's Graham Fuller.!!

But forget it, ignore my post.

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The Jews did it, right?
 
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