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How to stop terrorism(views of ex US marine)

Raja.Pakistani

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Impossible to enact until we define just what constitutes a terrorist. Now I know according to the official definition offered by the United States government a terrorist is someone who kills innocents for a political end. But is it really that simple? If is it, than by our own admission, waging wars against civilian populations is indeed a terrorist act as well. So basically we're guilty of our own accusations and acts.
there is no such thing as a smart bomb.

There is no such thing as laser guided accuracy. When bombs are dropped on cities, innocents die, plain and simple. Because we have no clearly defined noble political efficacy in our actions are we not being terrorists ourselves? Every excuse given since the beginning of the Iraqi War has been shot to hell. WMD? Nope, all we have found have been the ones we knew about from the beginning and more than likely supplied to Saddam ourselves. Removing a brutal dictator? Nope, not when we once supported him and continue to support numerous tyrants around the globe. Installing democracy? Bull, not when as political scientist Norman Solomon says, "the US has subverted some of the few democracies in the Middle East (Syria in 1949 and Iran in 1953) and continues to support repressive regimes in the region." Let us not kid ourselves any longer my fellow Americans. There is no noble cause. I know we wish to tack one onto this debacle for the sake of so many things: our national pride, our belief in our moral superiority, and perhaps most importantly our belief that the troops did not sacrifice their lives in vane. Believe me, I am a former marine and wish just as much as any of you to believe that, but unfortunately I just cannot fool myself any longer. There is no cause. There is no nobility. There is no honor.

Our so called leaders are guilty of murder with their actions. President Bush and his cohorts should be tried for over 4000 counts of murder and over 30,000 counts of aggravated assault for the wounded, and that's just for the Americans who've died and suffered. I won't even get into the rest.

As Americans we love to believe that we are always right, always just. But how would you feel if some foreign power dropped a bomb on your house and killed your family? Would you not be enraged and take up arms against that aggressor? I surely would. Well, that pretty much sums up the war in Iraq. We're not fighting an army on the battlefield. We're barely fighting al queda. We're fighting regular people who we've pissed off by killing their families. Oh sure there is al queda in Iraq, and they must be met with force, but they were not there until we decided to invade that weak country.

We've redirected most of our resources from Afghanistan to Iraq for, well who the hell knows what reason? If you think about it there really is no good explanation. We were going after the Taliban right? Anyone even remember that? You know, the crazed lunatics who were killing woman for showing a little ankle, and oh yeah, supporting bin Laden and his crew. What the hell happened to that? Well in one of the greatest redirections of all time, one that would give David Blane a 12 inch hard-on, President Bush was able to superimpose bin Laden's face over Saddam Hussein's, and we as a country we bought it hook, line, and sinker.

So as to the question of stopping terrorism, well maybe we would be better served if we didn't allow our insane nationalism to allow us, so easily, to discount the well-being of others, ie non-Americans, at the hasty behest of our counterfeit leaders who've always proven to be liars and lackeys of the corporations, regardless of political affiliation. But we can't seem to see that far. When every history lesson available tells us otherwise, still we follow these empty suits into hell, well actually that's false because the grand majority of them do not allow their kids to die for what they know to be a crap cause. But what about your kids? Do you truly believe they give a hair about them? If you do, then you're as blind as Stevie Wonder, but lack his perception.

It's imperative to disassociate our government with our country. The two are not the same. Our country is great. It allows economic opportunity that people still risk life and limb to obtain. It allows freedoms still unbeknown to a large part of the world, and it's people are a largely caring, hard-working, charitable lot. But the government is so corrupt, disgusting, and evil that to compare the two stains our national image beyond cleansing.

Is terrorism our biggest problem? Absolutely not! Our biggest problem is our own government, and if you think about it for even a minute you'll see it. Sure, we've enabled them to nearly destroy us, and given enough time and apathy on our parts, they surely will, but it's not too late. If you truly wish to defeat terrorism then take a more active role in governance here at home. I know it's a big no-no to question your government, you're patriotism will be doubted, your loyalty will be suspect, and you'll be branded with the oh-so dreaded "liberal" label. But do not be fooled, that is only how they divide us. Liberals and conservatives alike, in our government, are not that different at all. They both support an overly aggressive foreign policy, which enables terrorism. So back to the point, if you wish to do something about terrorism, start right here at home. Because until we do, there is no defeating it. It will flourish and continue until WWIII.
 
You cannot dissociate the US (country) from the US (government). The US (country) would not exist without the US (government). There is no American ethnicity. It is held together by military force and welfare payoffs both direct and indirect. 25% of the US GDP is derivatives and other electronic money that no one but the hedge funds will ever see. It is time for the US to end its time as a nation-state and return to the days of 50 independent states.
 
American foreign policy is not the reason for all terrorism. Some of the terrorism aimed at america may be, that is not going to change automatically if you change foreign policy.
America is the favorite punching bag for people, no matter what you do, they will blame you.
 
American foreign policy is not the reason for all terrorism. Some of the terrorism aimed at america may be, that is not going to change automatically if you change foreign policy.
America is the favorite punching bag for people, no matter what you do, they will blame you.

Excessive force sometimes complicate the situation more rather than solving it. That's what their foreign policy did. Not blaming them for terrorism but the root cause is certainly their attitude towards Muslim world.
 
American foreign policy is not the reason for all terrorism. Some of the terrorism aimed at america may be, that is not going to change automatically if you change foreign policy.
America is the favorite punching bag for people, no matter what you do, they will blame you.

Bullsh!t. The US is not the punching bag. Have you ever read UK newspapers? China is the punching bag in the Guardian, the Economist, etc. Have you ever read how they talk?

"The weather today, because China is a communist state, is cloudy."

"A man was found dead on the streets today in London, because China is a communist state."

The least related things will always end with "China is a communist state".
 
"The weather today, because China is a communist state, is cloudy."

"A man was found dead on the streets today in London, because China is a communist state."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, OH MAN you made me laugh!
 
You cannot dissociate the US (country) from the US (government). The US (country) would not exist without the US (government). There is no American ethnicity. It is held together by military force and welfare payoffs both direct and indirect. 25% of the US GDP is derivatives and other electronic money that no one but the hedge funds will ever see. It is time for the US to end its time as a nation-state and return to the days of 50 independent states.

He was trying to dissociate some American peoples from the US(government) as there are many American who were against the aggressive foreign polices of american government
 
American foreign policy is not the reason for all terrorism. Some of the terrorism aimed at america may be, that is not going to change automatically if you change foreign policy.
America is the favorite punching bag for people, no matter what you do, they will blame you.

yea thats what i expected from u, pro american
 
Bullsh!t. The US is not the punching bag. Have you ever read UK newspapers? China is the punching bag in the Guardian, the Economist, etc. Have you ever read how they talk?

"The weather today, because China is a communist state, is cloudy."

"A man was found dead on the streets today in London, because China is a communist state."

The least related things will always end with "China is a communist state".

yes same stands for pak too
 
yea thats what i expected from u, pro american

Sun Rises in the East and Sets in West. Both belong to U.S. Only Super Power Country in the World. Accept or Decline, Facts remain same. Isn't it ?

Many Countries citizen talk too much against U.S. everywhere but @ same time they try to get Visa for U.S.. :pop:
 
American foreign policy is not the reason for all terrorism. Some of the terrorism aimed at america may be, that is not going to change automatically if you change foreign policy.
America is the favorite punching bag for people, no matter what you do, they will blame you.

Agree dude but causes of terrorism are much more complicated than just killing harmless peoples to get 72 virgin girls. Why did Al-Qaeda started terrorism? We need to ask ourselves why only some countries are victim of terrorism and these countries are the ones which directly or indirectly supported violence, supported oppression and had double standard policies. Some times a country will use terrorism for its own gains. It will send volunteer fighters to overthrow one government in order to put a pro government that will be its alley. When a group of people feel that their rights have been violated, that their land has been unjustly occupied, that their legal and rational recourse to justice has been denied, they will resort to terrorism. These people feel that they are freedom fighters, revolutionaries, guerrilla warriors. Instead of taking the revenge out on the army and the government, they starts taking it out on the people. A wrong choice which kills more sons and fathers and destroys more families .

The brave men and women of the American Revolution often used terror tactics against the British, firing on unarmed civilians, destroying non military targets, attacking under the cover of a disguise and not a uniform. The IRA has made claims for decades that they are freedom fighters struggling for the reclamation of their land which was unjustly seized and occupied by the British (again, the British, always the British). The PLO and its various subsets claims that it is struggling for the return of its homeland appropriated by the United Nations in 1948. The Zionists who targeted the King David Hotel were fighting for a Jewish Homeland (again against the British) and Hamas saying they are fighting against the injustice and violence of Israel. While the West battles the problem of terrorism by doing battle with the leadership of terrorist groups, it must also learn to engage the hearts and minds of potential terrorists at every level of society.
 
Agree dude but causes of terrorism are much more complicated than just killing harmless peoples to get 72 virgin girls. Why did Al-Qaeda started terrorism? We need to ask ourselves why only some countries are victim of terrorism and these countries are the ones which directly or indirectly supported violence, supported oppression and had double standard policies. Some times a country will use terrorism for its own gains. It will send volunteer fighters to overthrow one government in order to put a pro government that will be its alley. When a group of people feel that their rights have been violated, that their land has been unjustly occupied, that their legal and rational recourse to justice has been denied, they will resort to terrorism. These people feel that they are freedom fighters, revolutionaries, guerrilla warriors. Instead of taking the revenge out on the army and the government, they starts taking it out on the people. A wrong choice which kills more sons and fathers and destroys more families .

The brave men and women of the American Revolution often used terror tactics against the British, firing on unarmed civilians, destroying non military targets, attacking under the cover of a disguise and not a uniform. The IRA has made claims for decades that they are freedom fighters struggling for the reclamation of their land which was unjustly seized and occupied by the British (again, the British, always the British). The PLO and its various subsets claims that it is struggling for the return of its homeland appropriated by the United Nations in 1948. The Zionists who targeted the King David Hotel were fighting for a Jewish Homeland (again against the British) and Hamas saying they are fighting against the injustice and violence of Israel. While the West battles the problem of terrorism by doing battle with the leadership of terrorist groups, it must also learn to engage the hearts and minds of potential terrorists at every level of society.

After 9/11 many govts brand any group terrorist just because they are fighting against them. But one crucial difference between a resistance group(militant) and a terrorist organization is seeing ordinary civilians are combatants(hence fair game), in-discriminant violence against random people to force govt to negotiate.
I can understand and sympathize with people fighting occupation by doing armed struggle against army, govt official, police etc, but killing random people(some of them could be your own people, who support you) is something I dont think anybody will agree with.
 
After 9/11 many govts brand any group terrorist just because they are fighting against them. But one crucial difference between a resistance group(militant) and a terrorist organization is seeing ordinary civilians are combatants(hence fair game), in-discriminant violence against random people to force govt to negotiate.
I can understand and sympathize with people fighting occupation by doing armed struggle against army, govt official, police etc, but killing random people(some of them could be your own people, who support you) is something I dont think anybody will agree with.
I don't know whether you agree with his definition of terrorism :

according to the official definition offered by the United States government a terrorist is someone who kills innocents for a political end. But is it really that simple? If is it, than by our own admission, waging wars against civilian populations is indeed a terrorist act as well. So basically we're guilty of our own accusations and acts. there is no such thing as a smart bomb. There is no such thing as laser guided accuracy. When bombs are dropped on cities, innocents die, plain and simple. Because we have no clearly defined noble political efficacy in our actions are we not being terrorists ourselves?

We know War is not always fought between uniformed soldiers with boots. If they can't beat the soldiers in war, they beat up the civilians to break down the morale of the enemy. Example of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is there. It's to hit at the enemy's weakest point which is ALWAYS the civilians so i dont understand why act of terrorism is only limited to some individuals
 
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