How to reverse Buddhism’s radical turn in S A

[Brahmaputra Mail]

The way you guys are letting in Bangla muslims, I don't think it is possible without taking things into our own hands.

Please kick out these secular lunatics from your state. Tarun Gogoi has done enough damage to Assam in these years.

Most of my state is not thinking on this, but we will take measures if and when needed.

About time.

 

[mpk1988]

Yeah well.. The whole wide world is tired of "certain extremism".. This will cause even ascetics to go bat shit crazy.. The solution lies within the problem makers.. Else, it will be so and so rest of the world.. In such a scenario, every sane person knows the outcome.

 

[livingdead]

Its difficult to reduce influence of dominant religion in a country, but secularism is a good first step.
Buddists are as dangerous as muslims or hindus if they are radicals

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

Its difficult to reduce influence of dominant religion in a country, but secularism is a good first step.
Buddists are as dangerous as muslims or hindus if they are radicals

Any good reason why should any nation try to reduce the influence of the dominant region in its own country ?

 

[Tshering22]

Its difficult to reduce influence of dominant religion in a country, but secularism is a good first step.
Buddists are as dangerous as muslims or hindus if they are radicals

Good boy. Anjem Chaudhary would be proud of you.

Any good reason why should any nation try to reduce the influence of the dominant region in its own country ?

That's called self-shame, ignorance of ground realities and being overly pompous.

 

[Ragnar]

It is difficult to seamlessly reintermediate competitive best practices but relatively simpler to authoritatively target fully researched deliverables.

 

[Razia Sultana]

But what if the state fails to do so in the first place. Point in reference recent Malda riot in West Bengal.

States do fail sometimes but thats not the end of governance. State is a necesary evil so to say and is better than having an anarchy.

Well no arguments there.. No sensible human being should condone violence, Where ever it comes from.. But the crux of the argument here is how to reverse alleged turn to radicalism by Buddhists specifically against Muslims

So like i said and even those so called "Commentators" mention it's a reactionary force, Something that was not existent maybe a decade ago.. So what are these generally pacifist people reacting so aggressively to ? Address that issue and you will find the answer.. Simple

Sectarian violence is not an individual's madness. It comes from a fear psychosis of a few who spread their fear to create radicals and turn masses against others. The state needs to address this and not allow people to take law in their own hands. If a section of people is agrieved for whatever reasons, its the govt. that should take action and not the masses. If we allow people to be radicals and have their own writs then there wont be any state but anarchy everywhere.

 

[Tshering22]

States do fail sometimes but thats not the end of governance. State is a necesary evil so to say and is better than having an anarchy.

The sometimes has been too many times in India's, Thailand's and now Myanmar's case.

And not just one state but almost every damn state. All you need to see is the data of communal clashes, under respective administrations, check the losses sustained and the initiation day and date of these attacks. One doesn't need to be an analyst to see a pattern repeatedly.

I know politicians are vile and they try to create such riots for their power, but what stops common people from not thinking? Why only one group initiates trouble always?

Kashmir, Assam, Kerala, Bengal, UP, Bihar... when does it end? When ever state becomes like Pakistan or Srinagar valley of the 90s? You know, denying something that is staring at our face as a nation is not something we can afford. The problem, whether Myanmar, Thailand, India or anywhere else, if is ignored by any regime, state or central, will see an immediate reaction when people lose patience.

Myanmar has been turned into a demon by biased media like FOX NEWS and their Republican ultra-neocon sick supporters who want to profit from every strife. But if you have a word with Myanma people, and I do it many times whenever I get time for our pilgrimage at Gaya or even Dharmasala, you will find them that they are in the same boat as the local communities in India are. Their generals may have a visceral temperament at times, but their people are not bad or the "talibanized" version that the US/UK media and muslim rights groups make out of them.

What Ashin Wirathu and his people are doing is out of anger and tolerating years of cr@p.

I mean, it really takes a lot, lot LOT of cr@p and for many, many, many years to piss off us Buddhists.

 

[KIND]

The sometimes has been too many times in India's, Thailand's and now Myanmar's case.

And not just one state but almost every damn state. All you need to see is the data of communal clashes, under respective administrations, check the losses sustained and the initiation day and date of these attacks. One doesn't need to be an analyst to see a pattern repeatedly.

I know politicians are vile and they try to create such riots for their power, but what stops common people from not thinking? Why only one group initiates trouble always?

Kashmir, Assam, Kerala, Bengal, UP, Bihar... when does it end? When ever state becomes like Pakistan or Srinagar valley of the 90s? You know, denying something that is staring at our face as a nation is not something we can afford. The problem, whether Myanmar, Thailand, India or anywhere else, if is ignored by any regime, state or central, will see an immediate reaction when people lose patience.

Myanmar has been turned into a demon by biased media like FOX NEWS and their Republican ultra-neocon sick supporters who want to profit from every strife. But if you have a word with Myanma people, and I do it many times whenever I get time for our pilgrimage at Gaya or even Dharmasala, you will find them that they are in the same boat as the local communities in India are. Their generals may have a visceral temperament at times, but their people are not bad or the "talibanized" version that the US/UK media and muslim rights groups make out of them.

What Ashin Wirathu and his people are doing is out of anger and tolerating years of cr@p.

I mean, it really takes a lot, lot LOT of cr@p and for many, many, many years to piss off us Buddhists.

I agree with this point. and a recent story some may brush off but this is happening in India 15,000-strong ‘dharma sena’ in Uttar Pradesh readies for war with Islamic State - Times of India

We all know no ISIS is coming to wreck havoc in India in near future but these type of forces will react in roit situations and muddy the water in future.This is in UP where you know the State has failed n number of times.

 

[Razia Sultana]

Then first let us shut down the lunatic groups targeting other religions and common people even of their own faith and then we can talk about de-radicalizing others.

BTW there is nothing called a radical Buddhist. It is called "fed up" Buddhist.

Call them by any term, its the deed and not the term that matters. I remember the khalistani terrorists had given a dictum to the media not to refer them as terrorist but as "khadkoo" meaning warriors and newspapers did refer to them as khadkoos. Well, it did not change their status.
When you accept and acknowledge that terrorism or radicalism are not good for the society and they should be eradicated, then you dont apply "first in, first out" method.

 

[Tshering22]

Call them by any term, its the deed and not the term that matters. I remember the khalistani terrorists had given a dictum to the media not to refer them as terrorist but as "khadkoo" meaning warriors and newspapers did refer to them as khadkoos. Well, it did not change their status.
When you accept and acknowledge that terrorism or radicalism are not good for the society and they should be eradicated, then you dont apply "first in, first out" method.

The irony is, many of the commentators who argue in the same vein of yours, were surprisingly silent for very long time on a whole wave of existent, in-your-face kind of terrorism that has been present with a religious angle around the world and in India for a long, long time.

Don't you think that is a bit hypocritical?

 

[Razia Sultana]

The irony is, many of the commentators who argue in the same vein of yours, were surprisingly silent for very long time on a whole wave of existent, in-your-face kind of terrorism that has been present with a religious angle around the world and in India for a long, long time.

Don't you think that is a bit hypocritical?

Even I may ask why were you silent? Is it because you support sectarianism and radicalism? Unfortunately, there are lot of people who are like that. If there is ISIS then lets have Dharam Sena. If there is Bajrang Dal then lets have SIMI. Its not about which sect you or I belong to, its about supporting an ideology thats against the humanity. I dont want to discuss as a representative of a sect and here I am only addressing the topic of the thread and speaking my mind.
I see no difference between a man who burns alive a human in myanmar and a man who slits the throat of a man somewhere in Syria, Iraq. They may belong to different sects but their deeds are same and condemnable.

I agree with this point. and a recent story some may brush off but this is happening in India 15,000-strong ‘dharma sena’ in Uttar Pradesh readies for war with Islamic State - Times of India

We all know no ISIS is coming to wreck havoc in India in near future but these type of forces will react in roit situations and muddy the water in future.This is in UP where you know the State has failed n number of times.

In my opinion this Dharma Sena is a reaction and all about creating radicals. You dont need swords, stick and airguns to fight ISIS. They wont fight duel with you but rather do some fidayeen blasts and shootings with sophisticated weapons. The best way to deal with ISIS is to stop them from taking roots, nip in the bud and not preparing grounds for them. Lets equip our security and intelligence to deal with it rather than making mohalla sena of radicals which will prompt others also to radicalize and eventually giving fodder to ISIS.

 

[Gibbs]

Sectarian violence is not an individual's madness. It comes from a fear psychosis of a few who spread their fear to create radicals and turn masses against others. The state needs to address this and not allow people to take law in their own hands. If a section of people is agrieved for whatever reasons, its the govt. that should take action and not the masses. If we allow people to be radicals and have their own writs then there wont be any state but anarchy everywhere.

Hmmm.. You seem to circumvent the issue here.. In my experience it's been a common factor when discussing this issues.. It's always somebody else fault

Nobody is condoning violence here

So lets get back to the core of this argument.. Shall we ? Without being philosophically utopian

The article is about how to reverse the alleged trend of once pacifist Buddhist nations to turn radical, Specifically against Muslims

What is had concluded and any sensible unbias person would agree is it's a reaction

A reaction towards actions of a particular community, Actions of that particular community that deemed threatening to the Buddhist community, If not no human being will react in violence unless he/she is threatened, More interms of Buddhist teachings of live and let live

I find this phenomena a quite recent one, I mean these are countries that have had Muslim communities living in coexistence for thousands of years, Unlike in the Middle East where only Abrahamic religions were practiced or particularly in the Gulf where nothing but Islam was allowed

So what changed ? The reason for that will give you the answer for the query that the OP poses

 

[Nilgiri]

Hmmm.. You seem to circumvent the issue here.. In my experience it's been a common factor when discussing this issues.. It's always somebody else fault

Nobody is condoning violence here

So lets get back to the core of this argument.. Shall we ? Without being philosophically utopian

The article is about how to reverse the alleged trend of once pacifist Buddhist nations to turn radical, Specifically against Muslims

What is had concluded and any sensible unbias person would agree is it's a reaction

A reaction towards actions of a particular community, Actions of that particular community that deemed threatening to the Buddhist community, If not no human being will react in violence unless he/she is threatened, More interms of Buddhist teachings of live and let live

I find this phenomena a quite recent one, I mean these are countries that have had Muslim communities living in coexistence for thousands of years, Unlike in the Middle East where only Abrahamic religions were practiced or particularly in the Gulf where nothing but Islam was allowed

So what changed ? The reason for that will give you the answer for the query that the OP poses

Just a heads up that you are potentially walking close to a slippery slope on this forum my friend. I got banned not too long ago for raising similar "questions" in another thread....though I guess I was somewhat more direct and assertive about it.

The religion talk brings nothing but pain in the end for this forum I find (especially if it continues beyond a certain point).

 

[Gibbs]

Just a heads up that you are potentially walking close to a slippery slope on this forum my friend. I got banned not too long ago for raising similar "questions" in another thread....though I guess I was somewhat more direct and assertive about it.

The religion talk brings nothing but pain in the end for this forum I find (especially if it continues beyond a certain point).

Well it's not as if it was me that bought up the subject matter, The OP suggests it's clearly a clash of communities with different faiths, So how can one discuss such topics without religion coming in to question