How shrinking freedom of press in Turkey brought me closer to Pakistan

[bsruzm]

I know where this will lead.....if you have membership at any other platform/forum, i will gladly say it to your face. but not on here.

I have a lot to say, too bro but I am afraid I'd have break his cross and stick it up his ugly a*s. Wherever it leads. I don't have the tolerance, you guys have... Glad, I am no politician.

They are brazenfacedly fine that PKK has a reach to American "drones":

"It's maximum takeoff weight is less than 6kg. It's basically an RC airplane you launch from your hand. This is not some killer drone."

Yet that desertrat calls us b*tches freely.

 

[DemirkanTR]

First of all.....we didn't. America chose to let Kurds build a state within Turkey? How so? We recognise the autonomous Kurdish territory within Iraq, but the US has never advocated any state within Turkish borders. The meaning of "alliance" for us is not being accused of something we didn’t do. If you want to treat my country like a bitch, than I will take back what I said and the Turks can go f*ck themselves so thanks for my support. Backstabber.

I guess I should have known better than to trust yet another pathetic, "blame America for us being f*cked up", pussy. What pathetic little girls...

Hahaha, okay take your support back, as if it has any value

We didn't intervene to Syria because we always waited our "ally" approves "UN air raid" or at least "no fly zone" for Assad planes but maximum effort was a stupid "train and equip programme".

At the end inaction of our "ally" brought 2 terrorist groups (ISIS & YPG) to our border! It was pure clean area between May 2011 and May 2013 without ISIS and Russia! Topple of Assad was a matter of time, opposition was 2-3 km away from his palace! Your inaction made radical groups stronger and moderate groups weaker! But, now I realize that this was not a mistake but US goal itself! As they say; Ordo Ab Chao!

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Never heard of him,do you have some info about him?

He is a political scientist graduate and has an academic background. He regularly attended debates on tv, i've watched many of them the last couple of years, all i can say about him is that he is a real patriot who prioritizes our nation before anything. He is intelligent, cunning and patient. Qualities every leader needs. But i don't think the MHP kurultay will allow such a man, even though it seems they are moving away from Bahceli, the latest developments.
If this guy becomes the leader of MHP, i will probably vote for them as well, because AKP needs a real opponent. The current ones are joke, including Bahceli. I don't even want to mention Kilicdaroglu who couldn't even beat Gökcek in Ankara during the local elections. Bahceli has lost most of his voters to AKP, because AKP is moving to far right. Even many hardcore kemalists are voting for AKP, which is expectable considering the total failure of CHP. Siding with HDP on national issues and such

 

[Indos]

I dont know why Erdogan act like this, in Indonesia there are two different News Channels fought during 2014 election (Metro TV and TV ONE)........

And from reformasi era (Indonesia democracy 1999-now) almost all presidents get huge media pressure, I think only Joko Widodo who is less criticized by the media.

It is danger to be authoritarian like that, it can endanger the democracy culture.....short term goal should not eat the long term one.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

I dont know why Erdogan act like this, in Indonesia there are two different News Channels fought during 2014 election (Metro TV and TV ONE)........

And from reformasi era (Indonesia democracy 1999-now) almost all presidents get huge media pressure, I think only Joko Widodo who is less criticized by the media.

It is danger to be authoritarian like that, it can endanger the democracy culture.....short term goal should not eat the long term one.

Erdogan is rattling cages worldwide, because Turkish military complex is gaining ground rapidly. This naturally worries current world powers and to undermine Turkey immense propaganda worldwide is orchestrated against Erdogan and Turkey, no world power wants Turkey to cut the shackles around its neck. This doesn't worry us though, because regardless of our internal strifes, real patriot Turks would never be a part of this orchestration against us, just traitors. And we are demonstrating to the world, of our capabilities.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/angela-merkel-agrees-prosecution-comedian-erdogan-poem

Good luck undermining this nation. I'm all for democracy and rights, but nations undermining invading and destroying other nations have no say in our politics. They can kindly gtfo. We didn't invade and make a mess out of Middle East, Turkey didn't orchestrate modern genocides unlike angel like West. Press of freedom in these countries function only when the established global media wants to undermine powers they want to shackle like dogs, when criticism and spies are directed against their own government, they are branded traitors who expose national security and tried, executed and prisoned. Therefore, hypocrits meddle in your own affairs, we are capable to take care of our own nation, don't worry you. You can't teach us lessons, if you want to be taught lessons on civilization, politics and rights, you are welcome Our civilization is far superior to most of yours.

Erdogani sevin sevmeyin, bu yabancilara söz vermeyin. Kendi memleketleri dünyayi sömürüp duruyorlar, ve medya ellerinde oldugu icin kendi cikarlari niteliginde devamli hareket ediyorlar. Vatana herzaman sahip cikmaliyiz, PKKya yaptigimiz darbeyi heral bu gavurlara hesap verecek degiliz.

 

[Indos]

Erdogan is rattling cages worldwide, because Turkish military complex is gaining ground rapidly. This naturally worries current world powers and to undermine Turkey immense propaganda worldwide is orchestrated against Erdogan and Turkey, no world power wants Turkey to cut the shackles around its neck. This doesn't worry us though, because regardless of our internal strifes, real patriot Turks would never be a part of this orchestration against us, just traitors. And we are demonstrating to the world, of our capabilities.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/angela-merkel-agrees-prosecution-comedian-erdogan-poem

Good luck undermining this nation. I'm all for democracy and rights, but nations undermining invading and destroying other nations have no say in our politics. They can kindly gtfo. We didn't invade and make a mess out of Middle East, Turkey didn't orchestrate modern genocides unlike angel like West. Press of freedom in these countries function only when the established global media wants to undermine powers they want to shackle like dogs, when criticism and spies are directed against their own government, they are branded traitors who expose national security and tried, executed and prisoned. Therefore, hypocrits meddle in your own affairs, we are capable to take care of our own nation, don't worry you. You can't teach us lessons, if you want to be taught lessons on civilization, politics and rights, you are welcome

Sorry mate, dont get emotional here. As fellow democracy countries and fellow Muslim countries we should learn each other though, as we learn from Turkey politics and so you also can learn from us. And it is a forum by the way in which every members from various nationality meet and discuss.

Freedom of press is very vital for any democracy country. Dispute between two different political party who fight each other should not let each of the player who get the current power break the rule of the game that is supposed to stay for very long period for the benefit of the country. Breaking the rule of the game can damage democracy system so hard as we can see on Egypt.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Sorry mate, dont get emotional here. As fellow democracy countries and fellow Muslim countries we should learn each other though, as we learn from Turkey politics and so you also can learn from us. And it is a forum by the way in which every members from various nationality meet and discuss.

Freedom of press is very vital for any democracy country. Dispute between two different political party who fight each other should not let each of the player who get the current power break the rule of the game that is supposed to stay for very long period for the benefit of the country. Breaking the rule of the game can damage democracy system so hard as we can see on Egypt.

Buddy, my criticism wasn't directed at you, it was directed at people who live in glasshouse and throw stones because they think their glasshouse is made of steel, even though it takes only a couple of stones and a few willing men to show them their true colors. Indonesia is in the same position as us, a nation on the rise, naturally rattling cages, but willing to do what is necessary. I'm not oblivious to democracy and rights, in my baggage i have degrees from European universities in political science. Yet, as all sane men realize as time pass, there is no justice in world affairs, justice in itself is just a concept that's totally imperfect. In a world of injustice and unfairness you don't act according to the rules set by current powerholders,, you do what is necessary to increase and defend your values and interests, doing so will sometimes result in nondemocratic ways, but no nation on earth, including the perfect "west" has a clean slate, and people of influence are perfectly aware of this

 

[DemirkanTR]

Breaking the rule of the game can damage democracy system so hard as we can see on Egypt.

Who broke that rule? Morsi or Sisi, you mean?

 

[xenon54 out]

Wow it changed very fast from lovely ally to fucking backstabbers, all it needed was one post.

Anyways, guys before blaming anyone else blame our goverment first, they let Peshmerga throught Turkey to Kobane, they treated wounded ypg members in Turkish hospitals, think before getting emotional.

 

[Indos]

Who broke that rule? Morsi or Sisi, you mean?

The opposition party of course (Anti Moeslem Brotherhood), Sisi is just taking advantage with the divide and the broken democracy system.

Similar with Thailand situation but it is the worst scenario, between the red and the yellow. When the red take power, the yellow try to stop the economy by demonstration, and then when the yellow take power, the red revenge and did the same thing. If the civil society cannot manage their fight through democratic means, it will give a person who has military power some credibility to destroy the system and become authoritarian ruler.

 

[cabatli_53]

Save me the chest thumping and the usual 10 year old level attacks.You can't manufacture submarines or the things i've listed without German tech.Sry if that pains you but that's the reality.

The only reality in here is that you don't know anything about Turkish industry capabilities but throwing empty claims !

 

[SipahSalar]

Pakistani media is a headless goat no ethics and a sell out

Do you have any idea what a blog is and blogging works???

 

[ANMDT]

No deals with them means no submarines for the Navy,no tanks,no engines or guns for Altay,Firtina, etc.Chest thumping is nice and all but in the real world.....

Dude you know well those can be supplied from anywhere. Countries supply those things who is really surpassing the public will.
Yet Erdoğan is despotwise eventhough he is chosen by public's will.
So please rest in your dual standars,Germany isnt like to stop providing those, it would cause shakes in other customers' trust. You know well this weapon industry well lies on trustworthy supplier. Also would you please talk why the main agencies from Europe has more discrimination in the news? Why mostly the sensitive news are hidden , even worse than so called main stream media in Turkey?
On the other hand, we have side stream media, as well as Europe does and they can have their own job.

I dont know why Erdogan act like this, in Indonesia there are two different News Channels fought during 2014 election (Metro TV and TV ONE)........

And from reformasi era (Indonesia democracy 1999-now) almost all presidents get huge media pressure, I think only Joko Widodo who is less criticized by the media.

It is danger to be authoritarian like that, it can endanger the democracy culture.....short term goal should not eat the long term one.

Bro, sorry but Widodo isnt really a good president, i know how is indonesia enough well to say this. He seems to really newbie and well leaded by a group. But still he was the best of the candidates ( i know the other challenging one from former coup government) . So in this perspective ,he is like erdogan, best of the candidates.

 

[Indos]

Bro, sorry but Widodo isnt really a good president, i know how is indonesia enough well to say this. He seems to really newbie and well leaded by a group. But still he was the best of the candidates ( i know the other challenging one from former coup government) . So in this perspective ,he is like erdogan, best of the candidates.

Joko Widodo in the beginning of his duty as President is upsetting many young Indonesian as he compromised with his own party to attack Indonesia Anti Corruption Body. Something that many have been predicted actually, but some also believe that he will be able to manage this. You can check my thread -Indonesia Anti Corruption Body- to understand more about this.

He is not his party leader to make you understand why he did that. But later he include an Islamist Party, PAN, and Golkar Party to his coalition. This move will strengthen his leadership and dont forget that Yusuf Kalla (Vice President) is a Golkar leader. Other Islamist party like PPP seems to be with him as well this year, I predict.

Other Islamist party which is PKS has also made huge change as the hardest wing in that party that become the hardest opposition of Jokowi has been thrown out from the leadership, and one of them even have been thrown out from the party. That party leader has met Jokowi in the end of last year and give statement to his supporter to stop making hard comment on Jokowi on social media. This reveals that Joko Widodo has reach out other parties that become his opponent in election in order to strengthen his position as the leader to neutralize his own party leader influence, Megawati, as she seems to be his opponent inside the administration and want to be a leader behind the scene.

And at this year we have seen the effect, all Anti Corruption Body leaders and official that have been attacked by prosecuting them have already been cleared in the name of law. Joko Widodo is also against Megawati Soekarno Putri (PDI-P Leader) and PDI-P Party (his own party) in term of his decision to keep our state owned enterprises minister (Rini Soewandi) in his administration, as Megawati is opposing RIni as Rini had said publicly that Jokowi must not become under Megawati and PDI-P.

Our administration not only have Joko Widodo but also Yusuf Kalla (one of Golkar party leaders) who has experience and clever, many see Yusuf Kalla as the man behind the success of Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono in his first term as he is responsible in economy at that time and at that time he is a Golkar party chairman (always become a winner or a second winner in our parliament election since reformation and a ruling party in Soeharto era)

Bro, I am not a fanatic person, I can change side easily politically or make any strong critics if the leader or party I support act against justice and democracy.

 

[Deliorman]

What freedom of press and medias are you talking about after all of them are owned by someone or a group of men with connections to someone? What media freedom are you talking about when mass- medias world wide are used for brainwashing people and to direct their way of thinking- who they should love and hate, who to support?

Big medias up West are not any better than those in Turkey, Russia, Belarus, Azerbaijan or any other so called authoritarian country that Europeans constantly blame for violating human right and freedoms. One way or another the business elite of those countries (both in Western Europe and in countries I mentoined above )controls the medias, controls the .governments controls the public opinion. Medias are the best propaganda tool available.