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How many wars has Pakistan won?

Asalamu Alaikum

I know, I misinterpreted his post.

I apologise to @PakSword for my foul behaviour.
Wa Alykum Salam,
No problem..don't sweat..he will be back tomorrow after reading your sorry messages. And don't worry... and keep contributing positively. Also start to read more on the forum to find good notable members .
It is too late in my place so I have to hit the bed.
take care!!!
 
Assalamu Alaikum @Taimur Khurram , informative post as usual. Thanks for the tag.
The fact that Pakistan still retains such strategic parts of Kargil gives them complete domination over the area, so Musharraf pretty much achieved whatever objectives he set out to achieve (i.e get public support for his eventual coup and achieve a military victory against India). Even the Indian military admits this, with former Lt. Col. Kuldip Singh Ludra stating in reference to Point 5353: "it dominates, by observation and fire, the complete area on both side of the Line of Control.
One of the few good things Musharraf did for the country IMHO. His granting the media the destructive freedom it enjoys today has proven to be a plague among plagues on our society, but that is another subject.

Though that traitor Nawaz should have been imprisoned right then and there during the Kargil war for his undermining the efforts of the military to hold on to the gains in Kargil.
 
Nothing can change the past. Look at future. Pakistan can say they won all wars for all I care. We have to focus on focus on economic front right now. Next decade and a half will decide where subcontinent is going economically. That will in turn decide how this century looks for subcontinent . They way thing are going right now I am not terribly excited either for India or for Pakistan.
 
If you don't learn from your past mistakes you have chances of becoming victim to same in future .If rather than learning you can't even recognize the mistake your chances of becoming victim to the same in future is even more .If you think your past mistakes are not mistakes but glorious success than you are in a trap and won't come out of mistakes .
 
Oh... sorry.



Asalamu Alaikum

I know, I misinterpreted his post.

I apologise to @PakSword for my foul behaviour.

It takes a big man to admit that. Jazak Allah khair for that.

I want to see all Pakistanis here on one front, regardless of differences. Unity is something we need more than anything among us right now on a global level.
 
I've decided I shall be re-posting one of my Quora answers onto this forum, if you guys like it please let me know.

Question: The title of the thread

Answer:


3 out of the 5 fought.

The first one was the Kashmir War in 1947. The ruler of Kashmir wanted to join India, but he had a Muslim majority population that wanted to join Pakistan. So what did he do? He launched a genocide against Muslims across Kashmir so create a population shift. As a result, Pakistan invaded Kashmir, and then of course the Indian army came in to defend Kashmir since the ruler officially signed the instrument of accession to obtain their help (confirming his intentions once and for all), so there was fierce fighting, with Pakistani forces outnumbered significantly (as always) but we still managed to gain roughly 40% of the region by the end of the two year conflict. If we had sat idly by, we wouldn’t have gotten any of Kashmir, so yes that’s pretty much a victory since we only gained land and lost none of it. Indians may claim that Hari Singh intended to be independent and only signed the instrument of accession to defend himself from Pakistan, but then why did he launch such brutal crackdowns on Muslims throughout the region? It’s clear what his real intentions were.

The forgotten massacre that ignited the Kashmir dispute

Here is a picture of a Pakistani tank during the Kashmir War:

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Here are the current borders of the Kashmir region, which has remained relatively static after the Kashmir War other than Pakistan gifting the uninhabited Shaksgam Valley to China as a gesture of goodwill, China taking Aksai Chin from India during the Sino-Indo War in 1962, and India taking almost all of the Siachen during the Siachen War (but both Aksai Chin and the Siachen are pretty much strategically unimportant as per most analysts):

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In 1965, India invaded Pakistan on the 6th of September. In little over two weeks, their attack was halted and in fact reversed, with Pakistan gaining significantly more land, destroying several times as many aircraft, attacking Dwarka, and breaking world records (e.g we won the largest tank battle since WW2, MM Alam shot down 5 planes in under a minute, this was one of the shortest wars in history, etc) all while being, again, outnumbered several times over. The Prime Minister of India also died of a heart attack once the war was, some speculating over from the sheer magnitude of defeat. However, after the war was over, both sides were amicable during negotiations and borders became back to the way they were prior to 1965.

Tashkent Agreement

Here are some pictures from the 1965 war:

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Here’s one that makes me chuckle, it comes from an Indian newspaper:

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For those of you who may want to learn more about MM Alam:

Fifth death anniversary of war hero MM Alam being observed today | The Express Tribune

Or other PAF achievements in 1965:

Paf’s record-breaking performance in 1965 war

As well how the PN attacked Dwarka:

Now, again, a lot of Indians will object to this by declaring that Pakistan launched covert operations in Kashmir during August, and that’s true, however, the war did not start until India launched an invasion across the international border on the 6th of September, the fighting in August was part of the pre-war build up, just like the numerous skirmishes that occurred during the Rann of Kutch dispute in 1965 prior to Pakistan’s covert operations in Kashmir.

The third war which Pakistan has won was the Kargil War in 1999. Musharraf, most probably in an attempt to garner public support for his future coup as well as just an attempt to a seize an opportunity, sent 5,000 Pakistani soldiers as well as militants to take over Kargil, and they did so with ease. The Indian military then sent in 30,000 troops to retake the area, who also got frequent resupplies as well as air support, unlike their Pakistani counterparts (Musharraf knew the rest of the military would not support his decision so he acted without informing them). Over the period of two months of fierce fighting, the Pakistani military still held on to a significant portion of Kargil and even managed to shoot down a helicopter and a fighter jet. Eventually, due to political pressure from the Pakistani government, the rest of the Pakistani military, and the US, Musharraf decided to call the Pakistani military in Kargil to withdraw from most of Kargil, but still retain some of the key peaks in the area, most notably, Point 5353.

The fact that Pakistan still retains such strategic parts of Kargil gives them complete domination over the area, so Musharraf pretty much achieved whatever objectives he set out to achieve (i.e get public support for his eventual coup and achieve a military victory against India). Even the Indian military admits this, with former Lt. Col. Kuldip Singh Ludra stating in reference to Point 5353: "it dominates, by observation and fire, the complete area on both side of the Line of Control.”

Debunking Kargil Myths & How Pakistan Captured Point 5353

Here’s a picture of Pakistani troops during the Kargil War:

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As much as I want to avoid getting into this debate again, you are mistaken. Maharaj Hari Singh never wanted to accede to India. If he did, he would have done it on August 15th. He only acceded when India told himaccession was a requirement for India's military assistance. Millitarilly, India did quite well, since it prevented Srinagar from being captured and captured the entirety of Ladakh and most of Jammu. The fact is, there is no way India can be described as losing the war, as JaK was independent on August 15, so India never lost an inch of territory but rather gained the majority of a disputed region.
65 was a draw, nothing much to say there.
71, we won both East and West. Pakistan's strategy was to capture strategic points of Kashmir and India proper to negate any territory conquered in the East. If it had won in the west, India would have been forced to negotiate rather than continue the offensive in EP, since Kashmir is more important to India than BD.
Not to mention, India captured large amounts of Pakistan-occupied Baltistan, so India gained territory in the war.
Plus, India thwarted a Paksitani invasion of Rajasthsn
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/annexaion-of-turtuk-in-1971.473666/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Longewala
So Paksitan cannot honestly say it won the war on either front.

As for Kargil, I thought it is pretty simple. That point5353 was unoccupied by either side after Kargil. India later occupied the point 5310, and in Pakistan occupied point 5353.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/reverse-kargil-capture-of-point-5310.449852/
Plus, Kargil was not about point 5353, it was about Tiger Hill, the most strategic point in Kargil sector. WHoever controls tiger hill controls Kargil. That is why after India captured the peak on July 4th, Shariff went to Washington to find a way out of the hopeless war for Pakistan. And NS made the smart choice. If he had continued the war and Pakistan continued to lose more peaks and troops, he would take the blame. So he sought a political solution, Unfortunately, he underestimated the influence of the Army. Ultimately, the purpose of the Kargil operation was to control the Siachen highway and cut of India from Siachen. Today the Siachen highway is firmly under Indian control

In all honesty, with the exception of 71, all the indo pak wars resulted in return ti the status quo with little territorial change over 70 years.(with the exception of bd). Pakistan can claim victory all it wants, but it cannot change the ground realities, as the status quo has always benefited Indis.

May Pakistan be blessed with many more victories like these :)
With losses like India's, who needs victories

Let me just add that I have full respect for all the brave Paksitani soldiers who put their lives on the line for their nation. But nationalism and ignorance of the ground realities is no way to honor their sacrifice.
 
The info in this whole thread is wrong Pakistan has fought way too many wars than stated here.

1947 Kashmir
1950 Afghanistan
1960 Afghanistan
1965 India
1967 Israel
1971 Bengal
1974 Cyprus
1989 Soviet union
1995 Bosnia
1999 Kargil
2001 Afghanistan
2006 USA
2014 India
2017 USA India Israel
2018 corruption

I might have missed a few wars but will update them soon
 
The info in this whole thread is wrong Pakistan has fought way too many wars than stated here.

1947 Kashmir
1950 Afghanistan
1960 Afghanistan
1965 India
1967 Israel
1971 Bengal
1974 Cyprus
1989 Soviet union
1995 Bosnia
1999 Kargil
2001 Afghanistan
2006 USA
2014 India
2017 USA India Israel
2018 corruption

I might have missed a few wars but will update them soon
That depends on what you count as wars.
 

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