How many of you think that Muslim leaders are Muslims?

[SekrutYakhni]

I am not questioning their relationship with God rather I want people to give their opinion by looking at the social behaviour of their leaders and generals. I did not want to dig much but here is one recent example:

Libya:
"But Lt. Col. Mohammed al-Majbari, who helped lead Libyan military forces in Benghazi before deciding early this week to join the opposition, claimed that dozens more have been killed in that coastal city alone. He told CNN that government forces, aided by mercenaries from other African countries, had "caused a massacre here over the last few days."

I can also post a video of Pakistani police humiliating PAKISTANI CITIZEN in front of GHQ and that video was banned. More so, holy army?

Anyways, give your suggestion.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

EDIT: Can the mod squad edit the poll question--Are Muslim leaders really Muslim?

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Please keep in mind that kingdom and dictatorship is not what Islam teaches. Those fancy titles are given to homosexuals or should I say those people want fancy titles.

The houses, the cars, the security, the tax payer money, the life etc etc

Islam teaches equality. Hell, you could have your empire if you earned money and not a money of citizen.

 

[Mutee]

If Pakistan can just get rid of the this corrupt army and it's generals it wud become a very progressive country all they do is take dollars and kill our fellow countrymen and please when I say corrupt I don't mean the whole army there must be good officers as well so don't take it in a wrong way

 

[Mutee]

Saad it would be wrong on my or your part to comment because it's one of the biggest sins to call a Muslim a non Muslim what if they are Muslims but just corrupt so in my opinion not a very smart question you are asking brother

 

[SekrutYakhni]

It is another dose given by corrupt class. Look, I am not saying that they are non Muslims rather I am just question that HELL, WHAT IS EXPECTED FROM A MUSLIM?

Looking at the sufferings of all Muslim population, their leaders are no saints and not even close to what Muslim is. I just want your opinion of what they are doing is really what is expected from a Muslim.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Please keep in mind that government organizations, particularly army, of all countries have individuals on pay roll to spread their BS propaganda. There are some over here in my OPINION. As a matter of fact, there should be some.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

And same goes with politicians, in less number, they have individuals on pay roll to spread BS. Now, this technique is getting older, so all you shiny boys out there, think of something new.

 

[Hyde]

we are nobody to declare anybody non-Muslim

yes they are Muslims as far as I believe... but some of them are just bad Muslims - meaning they don't follow the way of Islam

but you can't say they are not Muslims

 

[Hyde]

up to maximum extent what would they do?

Kill somebody? - still remain a Muslim
Rape? - Still remain a Muslim
Deceive? still remain a Muslim

what else? these are the attributes of Bad Muslim.... by corrupting the world and your soul does not mean you stopped believing in the oneness of God... or his Prophet etc

 

[SekrutYakhni]

This is the first time I am hearing that there is a bad muslim and a good muslim.

Either you believe and obey the teachings or you don't. This is very simple to understand.

Anyways, as I stated earlier, no one is question their relationship with God rather I am questioning their relationship with people. God said, which I will paraphrase, He can forgive people who disobey His existence but He will not forgive people who victimize others in any shape or form. People who target innocent individuals, their case will rest on the victim.

 

[Hyde]

This is the first time I am hearing that there is a bad muslim and a good muslim.

Either you believe and obey the teachings or you don't. This is very simple to understand.

Anyways, as I stated earlier, no one is question their relationship with God rather I am questioning their relationship with people. God said, which I will paraphrase, He can forgive people who disobey but He will not forgive people who victimize people in any shape or form. People who target innocent individuals, their case will rest on the victim.

but will that make them non-Muslim?

No scholars ever declared them non-Muslims if they commit sin

 

[SekrutYakhni]

but will that make them non-Muslim?

No scholars ever declared them non-Muslims if they commit sin

I am not declaring anyone non Muslim. And you cannot commit a sin against an individual. As I mentioned in my previous post, God can forgive sins but HE WILL not forgive people who target innocent people. You cannot commit a sin against an individual--Hell, it is not a sin rather a gross act which cannot be defended at all.

Let us assume that I killed ABC. Now, yes, I committed a sin and got--let us assume 10000 gunnahs or I killed all the humanity, theoretically speaking--However, my case will rest on the individual whom I killed without any reasonable grounds. Maybe God will forgive me for my sins but that innocent victim won't.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

God is the ultimate judge but he will also take the emotions of the victim into consideration.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

One more thing, the holy maulana diesel is a bad muslim?

Ohh God, please give me the power to do some justice on ground.
Amen!