How Indonesia’s pribumi elite view the ethnic Chinese today

[CAPRICORN-88]

I already dating chinese girl, and she can't speak chinese languanges lol......
My father is half padang half sundanese, my mother half arabs half javanese, when i am in padang they called me Dasar jawa...!!
When i am In java they called me, dasar padang!!
When i am in jakarta they called me dasar arab!!
All with a scent of negativity, buy i don't complained....

That being the case then why the "Pribumi" or in Malaysia "Bumiputra".

The term is like I says DEROGATORY and RACIALIST.

In Singapore, everybody is a Singaporean and although the society is predominantly Chinese, nobody get discriminated under the law. The Chinese majority government has never introduced any special right or privilege for themselves nor put themselves above the others by birth right. In fact minority rights are all respected.
That is also the reason why IMO nations like Indonesia and Malaysia can never ever be GREAT, not until they get these right.

It is a political term that set to separate people apart.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Stop complaining! Indonesia is a Great nation, whether you agree or not!

 

[initial_d]

That being the case then why the "Pribumi" or in Malaysia "Bumiputra".

The term is like I says DEROGATORY and RACIALIST.

In Singapore, everybody is a Singaporean and although the society is predominantly Chinese, nobody get discriminated under the law. The Chinese majority government has never introduced any special right or privilege for themselves nor put themselves above the others by birth right. In fact minority rights are all respected.
That is also the reason why IMO nations like Indonesia and Malaysia can never ever be GREAT, not until they get these right.

It is a political term that set to separate people apart.

I heard it different. Same shit happen in sg too, but the differences are the minorities were indian and malays. So please don't be double standard here and try to pose innocents, even in europe or united state this shit happen.

 

[Robin Wong]

I personally think its hard to generalise because 'native Indonesians' themselves are very diverse. There are even stereotypes among different types of Chinese Indonesians, so imagine how much more complex it will be when talking about the 'native' Indonesians.

Maybe the biggest difference between the Chinese Indo and the native Indo in general is that the Chinese tend to be more conformists (Possibly because they are minority.) while the natives are more likely to be happy-go-lucky, but thats just my personal opinion and im not so sure. Im sure other Chinese have different thoughts and opinions.

Ive met some wonderful natives with genuine heart, but ive also met the ones who are just purely violent and hateful. But then again, Ive met some Chinese who are wonderful, and the ones who are selfish/arrogant. My years of experience have taught me a lesson to judge people based on the person itself, rather than the race/ethnicity/economic condition.

 

[bbccdd1470]

Let's stop here, I don't want to argue with you. You hold your view, I will promote my views. Let's see who will be priorities, okay?

Are you really from China? As I understand democracy is the last thing that most Chinese want as a priority. If you are from HK or Taiwan then I can understand a bit how it come from, but as a Chinese who live in China, you put democracy over national sovereignty, are you kidding me!! Look at the example on how HK is declining due to your so called "priority".

 

[Place Of Space]

I don't know, I think blaming, troll fight, dumb debate, cursing, etc are very counter productive and pointless. Even for the Chinese Indonesian themselves. I know that you are suffer of racism, xenophobic hatred from the local people, victim of a criminal activity / riot. But there are another way to handle this matter. Denounce, cursing, blaming, and shout in here will only bring negative impact for Chinese Indonesian in general. Specially, when you make our Chinese brothers from other countries miss understood about what we (Chinese Indonesian) want.

What do you get from showing hostility in here? A more gap, hatred, and distrust from another Indonesian posters. And at the end, you still suffer. Well, unless you want to give up your Indonesian Citizenship and move to other country (Singapore, Hongkong, Taiwan, China, etc), then you have to understand that the most important thing to do in here is to building a bridge, not breaking them.

So what do I want? To forget my ancestry? Nope. I promote them. I'm a part of a Chinese Ethics Organization in Indonesia. What we want is not hating local people because of past suffering; but to build a bridge between two people. We also promote Chinese Culture and introduce them to our local brother; not to make them Chinese, but to show our good will to promote trust between Chinese Indonesian and another local Ethics in here. Remember, to trust, we need to understand each other better.

To our Chinese brother, let us guess, where is this photo come from? Hongkong? China? Nope. This photo come from Solo, Indonesia, in a Chinese New Year Celebration. Look at the bridge and the Chinese paper lamps. This photo symbolize our wish. A bridge of happiness that link two people. Chinese and another Indonesian Ethics.

Now, Solo was the second city that was suffer from 1998 riot. In 1998, it wasn't only Jakarta that suffer because of racialism tension. Solo was suffer too. Chinese houses were burn, we were robbed, and if lucky, they just threw stones to our house. But now look at the photo. Solo Javanese enjoy the Chinese New Year Celebration happily with us.

Of course, there is still a probability of a racism riot in the future. Specially when some politician assholes wants to politicized the racism for their own political agenda. But we will keep doing everything to build the bridge. We can only hope that the local also wish to build the bridge together with us.

Such stupidly analyse this, analyse that. I help you to simplify my rules: Indonesian discriminate Chinese, I will discriminate Indonesian; Indonesian threaten Chinese I will threaten Indonesian; Indonesian act rude, I would promote my countryman act more rude againast Indonesian.
Ge it now? What you said like buidling a bridge, forget this rubbish theory, okay? We don't need this bridge, we'll see who lost worsely more. There is no bridge between China and Pakistan, we still can cooperate well. You guys are not bridge considered by Indonesian, you guys are just political scapegoat.
By the way, the people in your foto are like walking zombies, we can't find any happiness and colorful expressions on their face in the New Year Celebration. Every face looks nervous and depressed.
This is happy New Year:
In Korea

In Vietnam

In China

 

[waz]

I've had to delete several posts. Control your posts, otherwise the topic closes and people receive bans.

 

[jkroo]

He’s got a point in labelling you guys as trolls and fraudsters. I can understand that by reading the lies and conspiracy theories in that other Indonesia-Chinese locked thread. A gang of Chinese members there got exposed for spreading blatant lies. I’m not accusing you or Place of Space as members of that gang, but now I really don’t know who are the geniune Chinese members and who are the chinese fraudster troll gang anymore. :/

You finally found out. It's good for you.

We guys from China have strong willingness to setup a correct flag with proud. But I have to say there are a bunch of false flagers.

And there are no fraudster troll gangs among us(mean genuine Chinese members even overseas Chinese). That's too low level.

 

[Brainsucker]

Such stupidly analyse this, analyse that. I help you to simplify my rules: Indonesian discriminate Chinese, I will discriminate Indonesian; Indonesian threaten Chinese I will threaten Indonesian; Indonesian act rude, I would promote my countryman act more rude againast Indonesian.
Ge it now? What you said like buidling a bridge, forget this rubbish theory, okay? We don't need this bridge, we'll see who lost worsely more. There is no bridge between China and Pakistan, we still can cooperate well. You guys are not bridge considered by Indonesian, you guys are just political scapegoat.
By the way, the people in your foto are like walking zombies, we can't find any happiness and colorful expressions on their face in the New Year Celebration. Every face looks nervous and depressed.
This is happy New Year:

Thank you for your support to us. You angry because of our suffering. You enrage because of what happen in 1998. That empathy proof that we Chinese Ethics have very close tie, even when we life in different country. I agree that the criminals who were the mastermind behind the riot have to answer for their crime. They politicized the racism for their own agenda. And I doubt that the Indonesian Government will ever respond for this. Because even when they have lose their power, I believe that they still have some influence in the government, so the government can't act because it will destabilize the country. Well, like you, I hate them, hate them to my bone.

But I don't want to blame another innocent Indonesian people who don't have any relation with this, and also suffer just like us. The bridge that we want to build is not for the racist individuals in here. Because they will never answer our calling even if we try our hardest to appease them. It is for the other people who can accept us. People who help us, Chinese Indonesian, when we were attacked by those devils in 1998 riots. People who see us with respect. There are a lot of them here, too.

So please don't generalize your hatred to all Indonesian.Because that will only cause the people who support us change their heart and hate us in return. We need to crush those bastard racists, but we also need to befriend those good people. Because they are our ally.

Just look at Initial_d. He is suffering too, because of his mixed blood. Should we hate him too just because the racists hate us?

 

[yantong1980]

You expressed all good point here, I agree. This inter-ethnic problem only instigated by 'minor' element for political means or benefit of some groups. Some culprits perhaps make one nation image look bad, but not sins of it peoples.
By the way this thread will attract trolls come here, should we end this?

 

[antonius123]

Stop complaining! Indonesia is a Great nation, whether you agree or not!

I dont see anybody complaining. Debunking or telling the truth is not complaining.

You expressed all good point here, I agree. This inter-ethnic problem only instigated by 'minor' element for political means or benefit of some groups. Some culprits perhaps make one nation image look bad, but not sins of it peoples.
By the way this thread will attract trolls come here, should we end this?

Exactly. And the political movement by blaming Indonesian chinese will be always get support from the radical people/fascist.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

By the way this thread will attract trolls come here, should we end this?

isn't that obvious ?

 

[pr1v4t33r]

^^^ LOL, troll calling for support, asking to get banned

I think ADMIN & MODs have to make limit for trolls. 5 times banned, and they are out forever...

 

[Daniel808]

You finally found out. It's good for you.

We guys from China have strong willingness to setup a correct flag with proud. But I have to say there are a bunch of false flagers.

And there are no fraudster troll gangs among us(mean genuine Chinese members even overseas Chinese). That's too low level.

LOL those Pirates think, they can Divide us with their cheap trick
Oh yeah, Nice try !

Our Companionship is as Strong as Stone.
We know, that they don't know.

Please, beware ! Pirates

 

[pr1v4t33r]

I've had to delete several posts. Control your posts, otherwise the topic closes and people receive bans.

@waz, here some good candidates to be banned.. thanks for your attention...

You can't expect civilisational behaviour from a fabricated country.

founded by Dutch or civilized by Dutch? The negritos are still not quite uncivilize imo.

Indonesia would get her *** kicked by Vietnam. Great nation my ***. Great nation at raping and killing innocent people.