How India’s QR-SAM has poured Cold water on Pakistan’s NASR

[Osiris]

every indian journalist,war veteran and even army wants to punish pakistan.pakistan made it clear long time ago that nobody can punish it.we aren't kids.we know indian systems.indian army have no experience of this new cold start doctrine and there are ways to cut the entire supply line.you can't defend 8 to 20 thousand men on enemy soil even when they have best air defence systems.at the end of the day,they will get trapped and we will surely cut the entire supply line.india can't fight with this doctrine.this is suicide.both armies use satellites and during war time,it will be difficult for IAF to support indian army.there are different stages of cold start but IAF presence is must.what will happen if IAF forced to repel back? who will save the ibgs? IBGS can't save themselves using air defence.how many missiles they can fire? ibg can only carry limited weapons.they stand no chance.

The name says it all, An Integrated Battle group has its own armour, artillery, air defence, infantry, as well as dedicated air support.

IBGs are suppose to be self sustaining formations, that can move quickly and occupy an area before the enemy has chance to deploy its forces.

You can try and out flank and cut off an IBG once your own forces have mobilized, but then thats what pivot corps are for, they can move forward into enemy territory cover IBGs flanks.

 

[Arsalan 345]

The name says it all, An Integrated Battle group has its own armour, artillery, air defence, infantry, as well as dedicated air support.

IBGs are suppose to be self sustaining formations, that can move quickly and occupy an area before the enemy has chance to deploy its forces.

You can try and out flank and cut off an IBG once your own forces have mobilized, but then thats what pivot corps are for, they can move forward into enemy territory cover IBGs flanks.

it will be very difficult even for the greatest armies in this world.we are talking about india.IA have no experience of using this doctrine.you can't survive using artillery,rockets,air defence.you need continuous support which is impossible.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The name says it all, An Integrated Battle group has its own armour, artillery, air defence, infantry, as well as dedicated air support.

IBGs are suppose to be self sustaining formations, that can move quickly and occupy an area before the enemy has chance to deploy its forces.

You can try and out flank and cut off an IBG once your own forces have mobilized, but then thats what pivot corps are for, they can move forward into enemy territory cover IBGs flanks.

GAY SHUPA DUPA POWA HIND @Osiris

 

[Osiris]

it will be very difficult even for the greatest armies in this world.we are talking about india.IA have no experience of using this doctrine.you can't survive using artillery,rockets,air defence.you need continuous support which is impossible.

It is the same strategy, which Germany used in its 1940s Blitzkrieg of Europe and Israel used in 1967 - 6 days war.
Doctrines are perfected in training exercises and not in actual war.

GAY SHUPA DUPA POWA HIND @Osiris

What's with all the homophobia, are you a closet gay or are just immature ?

 

[313ghazi]

Even the air force has trucks.

Oh zalmo, stop it!

Don't make fun of this one, he actually must be retarded.

 

[Ultima Thule]

What's with all the homophobia, are you a closet gay or are just immature ?

GAY/ homosexuality is legal in India/Indian armed forces that's i am referring to @Osiris

 

[Osiris]

GAY/ homosexuality is legal in India/Indian armed forces that's i am referring to @Osiris

Homosexuality is also legal in US, is that why you moved there ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Homosexuality is also legal in US, is that why you moved there ?

in some states not all USA @Osiris
Islam strictly prohibit homosexuality
GAY SHUPA DUPA POWA HIND @Osiris

 

[TOPGUN]

There are enough material in public domain to prove who is shitting and pisding in pyjama.
Tell me what do you want me to admit? Do you want us to fear from a 60 km range ordinary rocket where we are building our capabilities to intercept ICBM.
The problem with your wishful thinking is that you want to hype your ordinary weapons and expect that everybody to afraid of it. You want a nation wig4hth ICBM to be afraid from a shitty misile of short range missile.

Haha you need to start reading and understanding you have no clue what you are talking about and about admitting its your coward pathetic forces which need admit how scared they really are go and ask them , be carful the shitty missile might fall down on your behind the screen wanabe hero a$$ one day.

 

[ISI-1]

Jealousy is ugly.

Then stop being UGLY!

BS article. NASR is an ordinary rocket and not something required to be intercepted by a missile. It doesn't have even 1/4 th of capability of pinaka mk 2 battery. This sort of rockets are widely used across the world and they have their limited impct in battlefield. There are many systems much better than NASR.

Listen to a song by Supertramp called 'Dreamer.'

 

[Arsalan 345]

It is the same strategy, which Germany used in its 1940s Blitzkrieg of Europe and Israel used in 1967 - 6 days war.
Doctrines are perfected in training exercises and not in actual war.



What's with all the homophobia, are you a closet gay or are just immature ?

germans used their own weapons.they already had the experience of world war 1.simulation is good but on ground,you need courage.my views defer.i don't believe that india can do the same like germans.

 

[YeBeWarned]

India can even Intercept our soldiers Bullets .

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If you want to defeat the Pivot Corps and the IBGs, you will need hundreds of Nasrs, not 5 or 10.

I used 5/10 as an example suggesting a 50% success rate (I have no idea what it actually is) for India's anti missile capabilities.

And given the small nature of the warhead, smaller amounts of Plutonium required, Pakistan's expansion of her nuclear weapons fuel program, hundreds of warheads is easily possible. And remember, these will not be used in isolation, but backed up with conventional warheads on the NASR and other systems to saturate the target and overwhelm Indian Air Defence capabilities.

So the point remains, unless India can guarantee a 100% success rate for neutralizing incoming missiles on IBG's in what will be Pakistani territory, in a theater likely swarming with conventional air strikes, missile strikes, artillery barrages etc, talk of 'pouring cold water on NASR as a counter to India's Cold Start' is premature to say the least.

 

[randomradio]

Dont worry TNWs heavy artillery PGMs with current range of 100km and in future 150km will also be there to test Indian air defence along with different types of guided and unguided rocket system which could have range of 280kms.

Sure. It's not like those systems haven't existed before. Apart from counter battery operations with our own artillery, MLRS and aircraft, even laser based BMD will be in business by then.

Now the question you should be asking is how many of these systems you can actually afford to field, how many you can actually bring to the battlefield, how many you can keep alive when the airspace above you is not yours etc.

it will be very difficult even for the greatest armies in this world.we are talking about india.IA have no experience of using this doctrine.you can't survive using artillery,rockets,air defence.you need continuous support which is impossible.

IA have a lot of experience in this. They have been testing this concept in exercises for more than a decade now. We are working towards acquiring this ability now.

I used 5/10 as an example suggesting a 50% success rate (I have no idea what it actually is) for India's anti missile capabilities.

And given the small nature of the warhead, smaller amounts of Plutonium required, Pakistan's expansion of her nuclear weapons fuel program, hundreds of warheads is easily possible. And remember, these will not be used in isolation, but backed up with conventional warheads on the NASR and other systems to saturate the target and overwhelm Indian Air Defence capabilities.

So the point remains, unless India can guarantee a 100% success rate for neutralizing incoming missiles on IBG's in what will be Pakistani territory, in a theater likely swarming with conventional air strikes, missile strikes, artillery barrages etc, talk of 'pouring cold water on NASR as a counter to India's Cold Start' is premature to say the least.

Perhaps you have the capacity to build hundreds, but what's interesting is you still haven't deployed even one tactical nuke.

Even if 100% successful interception isn't possible, most of the nukes can be stopped, especially on our most critical resources. But even before one Nasr is fired, India will already have preemptively used nukes on strategic Pakistani targets anyway. You should actually read up on our nuclear doctrine. It's the reason why tactical nukes have still not been deployed by Pakistan.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Sure. It's not like those systems haven't existed before. Apart from counter battery operations with our own artillery, MLRS and aircraft, even laser based BMD will be in business by then.

Now the question you should be asking is how many of these systems you can actually afford to field, how many you can actually bring to the battlefield, how many you can keep alive when the airspace above you is not yours etc.



IA have a lot of experience in this. They have been testing this concept in exercises for more than a decade now. We are working towards acquiring this ability now.



Perhaps you have the capacity to build hundreds, but what's interesting is you still haven't deployed even one tactical nuke.

Even if 100% successful interception isn't possible, most of the nukes can be stopped, especially on our most critical resources. But even before one Nasr is fired, India will already have preemptively used nukes on strategic Pakistani targets anyway. You should actually read up on our nuclear doctrine. It's the reason why tactical nukes have still not been deployed by Pakistan.

let's see.i think we have everything to counter ibgs.supply lines and IAF will play a bigger role and these two are weakness.IAF have tried large formations even in the past,i think it was after parliament attack or mumbai,don't remember exactly.it's not easy to defend your army from raining missiles.when you chose to fight inside enemy territory,sometimes you make mistakes.terrain supports pakistani army specially when you are defending and add mines,missiles everything.it's very hard.even if you have 100% accuracy missiles,you can't stop rain of missiles.casualties and low on supply,they will surely fall back but again for pakistan,cutting supply lines is important so IA have no way to go back.this is the most dangerous doctrine that can inflict damage to your enemy but at the same time,it can trap you inside enemy territory.