How evangelical is the U.S army?

[gambit]

Thnx for the reply S-2.
i have been with the US military and have not seen religion there, but what concerns me is the fact the missionaries are being embedded with troops and acts like: if you dont go to the gym for the chaplain you are cleaning the barracks!

That is Basic Training life. Sundays are days for religious purposes so if you are not going to any religious services what else are you going to do in the barracks except to clean? When I went through Basic Training at Lackland AFB, every Sunday I went to worship services just to get out of the barracks. The rest of this piece is little more than a hack job on the US military.

 

[Conscientious objector]

That is Basic Training life. Sundays are days for religious purposes so if you are not going to any religious services what else are you going to do in the barracks except to clean? When I went through Basic Training at Lackland AFB, every Sunday I went to worship services just to get out of the barracks. The rest of this piece is little more than a hack job on the US military.

Well all those skinny G.I's wailing and crying with their hands in the air and the others clapping and dancing with tears rolling down their faces certainly don't look like they're only there for the beer.

 

[A1Kaid]

This video, a program on the US Army's Crusader efforts in Iraq. US Churches, US institutions, US Evangelical leaders and personnel, waging their Crusade. Even Fmr. Pres. Bush called it a "Crusade".

US Army, US Evengelical groups, US churches, US Government, US "Humanitarian Groups", are conducting a covert operation to bring Christendom to the Muslim Lands, they use material means to spread their propaganda.

These agents/missionaries build infrastructure and shelters where the conversion and brainwashing process begins. They seek out the most vulnerable and poorest among the masses and whoever else they choose. Even US Gen. William Boyken (found in the video) openly speaks about his mission to proselytize his Christian religion.



The War, The War had been declared a long time ago.

 

[Conscientious objector]

Yet more material that strongly suggests that the U.S sees itself as waging a "holy war" against "the forces of darkness".

 

[S-2]

"Yet more material that strongly suggests that the U.S sees itself as waging a 'holy war' against 'the forces of darkness'."

I'm sure you know these people well. They are your christian kindred souls. Welcome them in espousing God's greater glory. We have many foreign muslim missionaries who visit America for the same purpose of proselytization.

Do you fear their presence among Iraqi muslims or their words?

There are many paths to God's grace.

They'd happily help you along one of those paths.

My soldier friends would like to help you along another, irhabi.

 

[gambit]

Well all those skinny G.I's wailing and crying with their hands in the air and the others clapping and dancing with tears rolling down their faces certainly don't look like they're only there for the beer.

That is correct...The US Army marches into battle with banners displaying crosses and images of Jesus in full armor regalia. The USAF flies into battle with images of St. Michael with his flaming sword. And the US Navy sail into battle with images of St. Elmo.



Works pretty good so far...

 

[Conscientious objector]

We have many foreign muslim missionaries who visit America for the same purpose of proselytization.

Are they embedded with a Muslim army?

Do you fear their presence among Iraqi muslims or their words?

I fear none but my Lord, Allah.

There are many paths to God's grace.

Ask your evangelical buddies if they agree

They'd happily help you along one of those paths.

If they had their way I would have no choice.

My soldier friends would like to help you along another, irhabi.

Take your thinly veiled threats and stick em where the son don't shine rambo.

 

[Conscientious objector]

That is correct...The US Army marches into battle with banners displaying crosses and images of Jesus in full armor regalia. The USAF flies into battle with images of St. Michael with his flaming sword. And the US Navy sail into battle with images of St. Elmo.



Works pretty good so far...

The films and testimonies are there for all to see,if you want to brush them aside and resort to sarcasm then that's your problem.It doesn't change the facts.It just tells me you have no viable response.

 

[Kasrkin]

Thats quite enough with the name calling.

S-2, you can't brand anyone an irhabi because they don't agree with you. You’ve had your say, but if you can’t address CO’s contentions in an impersonal way then I suggest you ignore him.

CO, I would urge you not to base your views of the whole institution on the actions of a few. If you do that, you're no better than many extreme Americans given to look upon Pakistan and the entire PA based on the inclinations of a few servicemen or citizens.

Any and all personal attacks from either side will be deleted after this.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

I think that should be allowed one shoudnt feel offended by the Missionaries visiting any country weather its Iraq etc .
People do preach Islam in US then why cant the Missionaries in US give the teachings of Christianity in Iraq . I see no ambiguity in it .
However a True Muslim never gives away his Firm Belief .

 

[Conscientious objector]

I think that should be allowed one shoudnt feel offended by the Missionaries visiting any country weather its Iraq etc .

Such preaching is against the rules,an occupation army is not allowed to engage in such actions and that is the problem.

People do preach Islam in US then why cant the Missionaries in US give the teachings of Christianity in Iraq .

Again we are not talking about individuals here but about an occupation force.

I see no ambiguity in it .

Neither do I, its not a matter of ambiguity but one of adhering to the rules.Its clear that such preaching flies in the face of what is permitted.

However a True Muslim never gives away his Firm Belief .

Yes I agree, but these people pray on the vulnerable they use underhand tactics to coerce people into accepting their religion.They promise medicines and other provisions in an attempt to misguide Muslims.

 

[S-2]

"Are they embedded with a Muslim army?"

Muslims travel without such need in America once permitted entry. Christian missionaries do so at their own risk all over the world. Their risks incurred are commonly known and well-documented for their work.

Do you really wish to contend that two missionaries on a reality show spending two days with a U.S. Army Nat'l Guard unit from Oklahoma while in Afghanistan constitutes the determined policy of the U.S. military? Or an ad hoc christian bible-study group at Bagram AFB and their amateurish agenda?

You'll be hard-pressed to prove such. Scowcroft, for all of his wizened age, called matters succinctly here. There is no determined policy on the part of the U.S. government, it's elected and appointed representatives, nor its military to proselytize the Christian word to muslims. The foreign policy of the U.S. gov't nowhere indicates such an objective. Finally, neither our laws nor religious history suggest a basis for envisioning such end-goals.

"I fear none but my Lord, Allah."

Then go with God in the comfort of his word and reflect such certainty and serenity. If you have nothing to fear, there is no concern. Your hysteria, however, seems to belie any such faith in your doctrine.

"Ask your evangelical buddies if they agree [that there are many paths to God's grace]"

I have none. I'm catholic. Christian evangelicals are antithetical to our catechism. Your fundo buddies would be more appropriate witness to such.

"If they had their way I would have no choice."

Perhaps. No doubt you'd be comfortable with that methodology if not the end-goal.

"Take your thinly veiled threats and stick em where the son [sic] don't shine rambo."

I never threaten what I can't personally implement. Bad form. Without question, though, a fervant wish.

What you've presented is propaganda. It's suggestive and insinuating but not seriously substantive to a culture as religiously diverse as America's. If you wish to make your case, you'll need considerably more ammunition where it matters most- legislation, court decisions, and executive policy-making.

I see nothing of the sort to date. Can you improve upon that?

 

[gambit]

The films and testimonies are there for all to see,if you want to brush them aside and resort to sarcasm then that's your problem.It doesn't change the facts.It just tells me you have no viable response.

The viable response is that the facts simply do not support your exaggeration that somehow the US military is the new 'Christian Army' similar to that of the Papal States. It is also telling that for someone who sees nothing wrong with a religious military since you advocated that Islam should intrude into every aspects of a person's life, you now tremble at the remote possibility of a 'Christian Army'. My advice for you is that be glad, be grateful, that the US military is overwhelmingly secular in real life. Know that we have institutions like West Point and Annapolis, where the art and equally important the science of war is continuously updated with new information, insights, technologies, and experience. Now infuse these fine institutions with a religious fervor that motivate men to become suicide bombers, without them actually becoming suicidal but unquestioning and unwavering in their faith that their military is godly, and the world will see a war machine like never before.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

I think no one has the right to force an individual to be a Muslim or a Christian.
Even if US army is preaching christianity through proper Missionaries then its quit fair .Atleast they are not doing it like " Accept Christianity or else i will Kill ya "
In the end its up to the Individual to decide and to make such a step.
and the concern of changing ones religion for the sake of free medicines and other stuff i dont think they would find great success in it coz Religion is somthing which cant be bought You follow it from your Heart.

Islam Teaches Tolerance of other religions in a society and seizes any thing due to which the rights of any are supressed.

In the End People do realize wats right and wats wrong .

 

[Conscientious objector]

Muslims travel without such need in America once permitted entry. Christian missionaries do so at their own risk all over the world. Their risks incurred are commonly known and well-documented for their work.

The fact that Christian missionaries need to preach whilst hiding behind an army proves how despised they really are.

Do you really wish to contend that two missionaries on a reality show spending two days with a U.S. Army Nat'l Guard unit from Oklahoma while in Afghanistan constitutes the determined policy of the U.S. military? Or an ad hoc christian bible-study group at Bagram AFB and their amateurish agenda?

You can downplay it all you want,the reality is somewhat different,you people have a problem,a big problem within your military.You have militant Christians with a huge amount of influence in the US army and you sit there and deny it.If this was happening in a Muslim country you would be up in arms.When you have subjects like "God's basic training" run by organisations such as the "campus crusade For Christ" and you still cannot come to accept this fact your hypocrisy becomes clear for all to see.

You'll be hard-pressed to prove such. Scowcroft, for all of his wizened age, called matters succinctly here. There is no determined policy on the part of the U.S. government, it's elected and appointed representatives, nor its military to proselytize the Christian word to muslims. The foreign policy of the U.S. gov't nowhere indicates such an objective. Finally, neither our laws nor religious history suggest a basis for envisioning such end-goals.

Even if such coercion and harassment is not official policy that does not mean that it is not happening on an mass scale.

Then go with God in the comfort of his word and reflect such certainty and serenity. If you have nothing to fear, there is no concern. Your hysteria, however, seems to belie any such faith in your doctrine.

Well I'm sure you would rather everyone buries their head in the sand and pretends there isn't a problem but n the real world that isn't going to happen.Me highlighting the problem shouldn't be cause for concern/fear for you if as you say there is no real problem.

I have none. I'm catholic. Christian evangelicals are antithetical to our catechism. Your fundo buddies would be more appropriate witness to such.

Well maybe I should have referred to them as your colleagues if you do not consider them your friends

Perhaps. No doubt you'd be comfortable with that methodology if not the end-goal.

You cant blame me for this problem that exists within your own ranks as much as you'd like to

I never threaten what I can't personally implement. Bad form. Without question, though, a fervant wish.

The assertion on your part that you assume you can carry out your threat takes nothing away from the fact that it remains a cheap threat all the same.

What you've presented is propaganda. It's suggestive and insinuating but not seriously substantive to a culture as religiously diverse as America's. If you wish to make your case, you'll need considerably more ammunition where it matters most- legislation, court decisions, and executive policy-making.

Like I said I never proposed that evangelism was the policy of the US government,that is just your pathetic attempt to divert the issue, the facts are on display in the documentary clearly for all to see.

I see nothing of the sort to date. Can you improve upon that?

Instead of accepting that there is a problem and that it does exist, you have chosen to build a straw man and then proceed to knock it down in a vain attempt to deny the reality of the situation.