How evangelical is the U.S army?

[Conscientious objector]

These videos document the influence of evangelical christianity within the U.S military. It shows evidence of U.S army personnel propagating christianity to Muslims. This evidence lends credence to the notion that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are indeed viewed by many within the U.S both military and civilian circles as a CRUSADE.


TME6X9LQ4y8[/media] - Fault Lines - Religion in the military - 25 June 09- Pt1



UI7evXxWHTs[/media] - Fault Lines - Religion in the military - 25 June 09- Pt2

 

[Xeric]

S-2 i want to see your comments on this, please.

 

[waraich66]

I have seen this documentery on Al JAZERA .After shocks of 9/11 may continue for many decades.

I think US crusade is for Al Qeada only , cristians and muslims were never enemy of each other.

 

[Conscientious objector]

I think US crusade is for Al Qeada only

The fact that al Qaeda are Muslims doesn't tell you anything? Whilst many Muslims disagree with some of the methods employed by al Qaeda, the actual objectives such as an end to the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan,U.S forces to leave the Arabian peninsula,an end to U.S support for the occupation of Palestine etc are aims which the vast majority of Muslims would no doubt support.

cristians and muslims were never enemy of each other.

Ever heard of the crusades? Ever heard of Salah uddin Ayubi?

 

[S-2]

"This evidence lends credence to the notion that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are indeed viewed by many within the U.S both military and civilian circles as a CRUSADE."

I spent twelve years as a serving officer in our active army, nat'l guard, and U.S. Army Reserve. Religion played the most MODEST role in our unit activities.

This is nonsense at the unit level and it's equally so with the POTUS, SECDEF, SECSTATE, DoD, macro level. Our goals are long-term, enduring, and secular. We adhere very strongly to those values and reject the proselytization of our military for ANY narrow bent, to include religion.

C.O. is a provocateur. That's been long clear. This is the material of a provocateur. It bothers me not. I've served in my armed forces and know. He hasn't. Further, he has every desire to color perceptions to suit a narrow and skewed Islamist agenda.

Discerning and thoughtful readers know the difference between fact and hysteria.

Hope that helps, Xeric.

 

[Xeric]

Thnx for the reply S-2.
i have been with the US military and have not seen religion there, but what concerns me is the fact the missionaries are being embedded with troops and acts like: if you dont go to the gym for the chaplain you are cleaning the barracks!

 

[S-2]

"...if you dont go to the gym for the chaplain you are cleaning the barracks!"

I don't know how my battery 1st Sergeant handled that but it might have been exactly in that manner. Service was well-attended in the field. Not so in garrison and likely had a lot to do with a long Saturday night.

Still, without getting all religious, I will say that idle hands are the devil's workshop so...

 

[Conscientious objector]

I spent twelve years as a serving officer in our active army, nat'l guard, and U.S. Army Reserve. Religion played the most MODEST role in our unit activities.

What is evident from the film is that the evangelical movement is playing rather more than just a "modest" role in U.S military activities.

This is nonsense at the unit level and it's equally so with the POTUS, SECDEF, SECSTATE, DoD, macro level. Our goals are long-term, enduring, and secular. We adhere very strongly to those values and reject the proselytization of our military for ANY narrow bent, to include religion.

Well if its nonsense, its nonsense on a mass scale, nonsense of mass destruction if you will.

C.O. is a provocateur. That's been long clear. This is the material of a provocateur.

A provocateur? And who is exactly is it that you think I'm trying to provoke, and to do what? A provocateur as I understand it works to intice people into committing illegal actions.I am not calling for anyone to do anything against the law.

It bothers me not. I've served in my armed forces and know. He hasn't. Further, he has every desire to color perceptions to suit a narrow and skewed Islamist agenda.

Dude I didn't make the film I only posted here!!

Discerning and thoughtful readers know the difference between fact and hysteria.

Yes and everyone can watch the film and make up their own minds

 

[Conscientious objector]

if you dont go to the gym for the chaplain you are cleaning the barracks!

Well if that's not coercion then I don't know what is.


Maybe the Pak army should do the same thing for jummah

 

[S-2]

"Yes and everyone can watch the film and make up their own minds..."

If they are thoughtful.

You've no interest in those discerning souls-christian, muslim, hindi, or jewish.

You've softer, more malleable minds to bend. Not mine. I know an islamo-fascist when I read one.

You are the enemy of my nation and our objectives in Afghanistan. You might also be the enemy of Pakistan and the United Kingdom. I'd say so but leave that for others to decide.

Yarmouk didn't survive to make my acquaintance. You have, though, and I look forward to other equally interesting interludes.

 

[Conscientious objector]

You've softer, more malleable minds to bend. Not mine. I know an islamo-fascist when I read one.

You only know what your society has programmed you to know,you lack objectivity,you cant empathise nor sympathise with anyone that your preconceived notions dictate to you is the enemy.Like a lot of americans your narrow minded and self centered.

You are the enemy of my nation and our objectives in Afghanistan.

Thank you for proving my point, I'm sure you would rather anyone who would dare to question or god forbid resist your aggression would just roll over and play dead.No doubt in your court of law I am guilty of thought crimes.

You might also be the enemy of Pakistan and the United Kingdom.

On the contrary you and your nation are the enemy of humanity, of justice,of freedom and of peace.

I'd say so but leave that for others to decide.

Your analysis and that of those who are also submerged in the same world view as yours is of no consequence whatsoever.

Yarmouk didn't survive to make my acquaintance.

So much for freedom of speech.

You have, though, and I look forward to other equally interesting interludes.

Yeah, see ya around soldier

 

[S-2]

"Yeah, see ya around soldier"

Count on it, irhabi.

 

[ARSENAL6]

nothing can be said of all

but the countless vidoes of Us troops degrading Islam as a religion goes on
just check it on any vid.

 

[waraich66]

The fact that al Qaeda are Muslims doesn't tell you anything? Whilst many Muslims disagree with some of the methods employed by al Qaeda, the actual objectives such as an end to the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan,U.S forces to leave the Arabian peninsula,an end to U.S support for the occupation of Palestine etc are aims which the vast majority of Muslims would no doubt support.

Why Al Qaida do some thing to make muslim states strong politically and economically so that no country could think to attack any muslim state.Their concepts are totally wrong and anti islam.

Do you think their strategy is right to liberate arab peninusula?

Better read muslim history , main asset of muslim is Iman , which need lot of efforts to gain strength uptill required level when Allah ready to help muslim nation.

We have all material things but we dont have strong Iman , no nation is impressed from our charater,just cristicism on western civilization will not help us.We should take some practical constructive steps .Muslim nation is just sleeping.

Ever heard of the crusades? Ever heard of Salah uddin Ayubi?

It does not mean that because of these war no they remain enemy for ever , this is against the teaching of islam , we should love them as human and they are our friend untill the start any crusade aganist any muslim country.

 

[Xeric]

Maybe the Pak army should do the same thing for jummah

Well thankfully most of the Army do says Juma regularly, but if that be the case i think people are going to revolt against it, they dont like to be pushed, directly or indirectly when it comes to religion!