How do Baluchis feel about their Iranian history?

[Hamza913]

Mehrgarh is the world oldest known human settlement, also considered to be early Indus civilization. It's bang in the middle of Baluchistan. Baluch, like other ethnicities of Pakistan are tied to our Indus civilization. We preceed any nation or race around us or even on global level, so how come we can origin from those who are new kids on the block?

Asalamu Alaikum

I'm not denying that, but their culture is predominantly Iranic in nature, as is their ancestry. Surely this should count as a large part of their history too?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I'm very curious. The Baluchi people themselves are an Iranic ethnic group and migrated to the region of Baluchistan from around the Caspian Sea during the late Sassanid era. As we all know, the Caspian Sea was a part of the Achaemenid, Parthian and Sassanid empires, all of which were ethnically Iranian like the Baluchis. Even after the Sassanid era, you can see that large parts of Baluchistan were still a part of the major Iranian dynasties, with one of them (the Saffarids) even being originally from the the area. Here are some maps to display my point:

So I'm curious, do any Pakistani Baluchis here feel any attachment to their Iranian history? If not, why?

Also, I am not trying to challenge how Pakistani Baluchis that come from Pakistan are. Baluchis are no doubt an integral community of Pakistan, and Pakistani Baluchistan is an integral part of Pakistan. I am just curious as to how this past is viewed by Pakistani Baluchis on this forum.

@DESERT FIGHTER Asalamu Alaikum, you're the only person here I know who is Baluchi, please tag anyone else on here who is Baluchi and add your own opinion. Thanks.

Racially, they are Persian/Iranian but they are a part of the Pakistani nation, heart and soul. They are just as Pakistani as the Punjabis and Pathans. Pathans are also an offshoot of the major Persian tribes of Iran and Southern Turkey. We are all Pakistanis. That's what matters.

 

[Menace2Society]

Mehrgarh is the world oldest known human settlement, also considered to be early Indus civilization. It's bang in the middle of Baluchistan. Baluch, like other ethnicities of Pakistan are tied to our Indus civilization. We preceed any nation or race around us or even on global level, so how come we can origin from those who are new kids on the block?

They are more Pakistani than anyone else.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Asalamu Alaikum

I'm not denying that, but their culture is predominantly Iranic in nature, as is their ancestry. Surely this should count as a large part of their history too?

Those lands which are now called Iran were originally part of Indus empire/civilization. We don't owe anyone anything. How come people who existed long before babylonians and egyptians, can be influced by those who came much later? If Baluchs have got common culture with those on the other side of border, going by evolution of civilization, from Indus to outwards, its the Baluchs who influced them, not other way round. After all, from archaeological prespective, you are talking about people who maybe the ones who laid Indus foundation, long before mohenjodaro and harrapa.

They are more Pakistani than anyone else.

Going by archeology, indeed, they are the ones who laid foundations of our civilization.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

BTWN, its Baloch/Baluch not fukin Baluchi ... which is a language.

 

[Divergent]

BTWN, its Baloch/Baluch not fukin Baluchi ... which is a language.

Ayyy I’ll give you that one fighter.

 

[denel]

I do think these Iranian dynasties count as their history, but ultimately it's up to them to decide. I'm not Baluchi (well, I do have some ancestral ties to the place but it's very minimal, not enough for me to consider myself Baluchi anyway).

Well I have very close friends across East Africa, Oman and Iran; those in East Africa are 5th generation; they associate themselves more as individual ethnic/linguistic group; many have relations traversing multi-national and continental regions but the connection that binds them is an amazing lineage. They associate more closely to Iran than to any other parts; for them it is the land of their ancestors and linguistic/cultural ties; for them they dont see any notion of connectivity with Pakistan.

 

[Hamza913]

Well I have very close friends across East Africa, Oman and Iran; those in East Africa are 5th generation; they associate themselves more as individual ethnic/linguistic group; many have relations traversing multi-national and continental regions but the connection that binds them is an amazing lineage. They associate more closely to Iran than to any other parts; for them it is the land of their ancestors and linguistic/cultural ties; for them they dont see any notion of connectivity with Pakistan.

Probably got something to do with the fact that they might not even know which part of Baluchistan they come from, since it's divided between Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan and for the guys you met its a very old ancestral tie.

I've never personally met a Pakistani Baluchi who doesn't consider himself Pakistani. Only Arab Baluchis that I've met consider themselves Baluchi alone.

 

[denel]

Probably got something to do with the fact that they might not even know which part of Baluchistan they come from, since it's divided between Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan and for the guys you met its a very old ancestral tie.

I've never personally met a Pakistani Baluchi who doesn't consider himself Pakistani. Only Arab Baluchis that I've met consider themselves Baluchi alone.

Yes, even those who I met from Pakistan have no love for that country. The easiest anology is that of Kurds; split across general region with borders drawn up post colonial era.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Well I have very close friends across East Africa, Oman and Iran; those in East Africa are 5th generation; they associate themselves more as individual ethnic/linguistic group; many have relations traversing multi-national and continental regions but the connection that binds them is an amazing lineage. They associate more closely to Iran than to any other parts; for them it is the land of their ancestors and linguistic/cultural ties; for them they dont see any notion of connectivity with Pakistan.

Really? Ironically all of them are from Makran belt... sent by the Sultante of Oman to Africa.. they arent iranian.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-east-african-baloch.488110/

Probably got something to do with the fact that they might not even know which part of Baluchistan they come from, since it's divided between Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan and for the guys you met its a very old ancestral tie.

I've never personally met a Pakistani Baluchi who doesn't consider himself Pakistani. Only Arab Baluchis that I've met consider themselves Baluchi alone.

So called “al Balushis” are all from Pakistan..

Asalamu Alaikum

I'm not denying that, but their culture is predominantly Iranic in nature, as is their ancestry. Surely this should count as a large part of their history too?

If anything.. there is no long lost love for Iran among us Baloch.

Infact our folklore only talks about wars.. and of brotherhood among us and our Kurd cousins.. closest to us ethically aswell as linguistically and cultrally.

 

[Hamza913]

If anything.. there is no long lost love for Iran among us Baloch.

Infact our folklore only talks about wars.. and of brotherhood among us and our Kurd cousins.. closest to us ethically aswell as linguistically and cultrally.

Interesting...

The Kurds are quite similar to you guys in many ways (both of you are Iranic ethnic groups spread across several countries).

I would also like to ask, how popular is the legend of Aleppo origins among the Baluchis?

 

[gangsta_rap]

From the book:
The Baloch and Balochistan: A Historical Account from the Beginning to the Fall of the Baloch State

 

[denel]

Really? Ironically all of them are from Makran belt... sent by the Sultante of Oman to Africa.. they arent iranian.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-east-african-baloch.488110/


So called “al Balushis” are all from Pakistan..


If anything.. there is no long lost love for Iran among us Baloch.

Infact our folklore only talks about wars.. and of brotherhood among us and our Kurd cousins.. closest to us ethically aswell as linguistically and cultrally.

No, they are not from Makran belt. Many originate from villages near IranShehr. My friend visited and found his ancestoral village as noted.

Indeed the closest are Kurds in terms of ethnic mix.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

No, they are not from Makran belt. Many originate from villages near IranShehr. My friend visited and found his ancestoral village as noted.

Indeed the closest are Kurds in terms of ethnic mix.

Did you visit the thread?

Iranshehr lol...
Maybe your friend is a recent migrant..

When did that happen? When were IranShehris working as Soldiers in the Omani military?

Even now, Makrani youth is recruited by Oman military... Makran belt itself was part of Oman till the late 50s when Pak legally bought it from Oman!

And Baloch’s lovin Iran?

Im Baloch and let me tell uou something... Baloch were actually persecuted by farsi... infact they are the reason Baluch live in a Balochistan today.. To eacape persecution to the barren hills of Balochistan...

And even today Sistan is facing an ethnic cun secterian insurgency..

 

[Kambojaric]

From the book:
The Baloch and Balochistan: A Historical Account from the Beginning to the Fall of the Baloch State

Their original homeland as far as I remember reading was somewhere in what is today North West Iran (which explains the linkage with Kurdish and Caucasian populations). However as punishment (for unknown reasons as the above text attests to) they were banished to the deserts of Balochistan. Dont think the Baloch have ever been huge fans of the Persians for that reason.