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How Could you NOT like Altaf Hussain?

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common guys hes just an entertaining politician .. make sure you quit UMER SHARIF's shows just to listen to his Dramatic speeches, to have equal laugh. :lol:

lol, he is one emotional politician.

We had plenty of nautanki walas. Musharraf took pictures with models to show his modernism but did squat with actually making a change with legislation.

Benazir, the darling of the west actually started the Taliban campaign.

We need seculars, not shoday seculars.

Politics without nautanki is not possible. Look at US presidential election, if Obama loses it would be just because he could not make enough nautanki.

To have someone secular, someone should be able to say out loud that secular society is better for Pakistan. One cannot be expected to keep tolerating the blasphemy laws and suddenly one day to overturn them. Right now there is simply no one except MQM who says this. Even ANP gave up and does not want a clash with the mullahs.

Once people see that even Altaf, with all his 'Pakistan creation' speech baggage, is getting support, more parties will change their stance in favor of secularism.

Regarding bhatta politics, I am asking out of general interest. Is bhatta still collected these days? And are you a shopkeeper? :P
 
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Yes taking Bhatta what a service to nation killing thousands of people what a service to nation and threatening those who serve Islam shows his enmity of Islam and also master mind of all street crimes and calling to kill our brothers in Wazristan because his American Master USA told him to do so paid and calling creation of Pakistan the biggest disaster of 20th century

You do realize that you have 'established' these findings as 'facts' devoid of any proof especially the killings of thousands of Pakistanis. And what sane mind could call the partition anything but a blunder? Half on this side and half on the other side of India???

But why should we be reasonable, right?

I can't believe this thread is still running. There are what 3 people favour of MQM out of this 400 member forum. And the truth is, this ratio is also the same thing inside Pakistan..:coffee:

No wonder the state of Pakistan.....it's because the other 397 Pakistanis out of every 400. A disgraced, failed state. Simply because we cannot sort out our priorities or find the right leaders.
 
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Once again the significance of this cannot be overstated here


Watch even the Indian audience gasp...

My father came from India too... I would never ask panaah from India. This ghaddar can go there if he wants to.

YT is currently banned in Pakistan. However, I can take an educated guess which video you have posted. May I begin by asking the cause of '71? Why is there a country called 'Bangladesh'? Why is NWFP out of your domain? Why is Baluchistan in such unrest? Why is there such a divide b/w rural and urband Sind/Punjab?

And asking why he doesn't come to Pakistan.......well, why don't you?
 
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lol, he is one emotional politician.



Politics without nautanki is not possible. Look at US presidential election, if Obama loses it would be just because he could not make enough nautanki.

To have someone secular, someone should be able to say out loud that secular society is better for Pakistan. One cannot be expected to keep tolerating the blasphemy laws and suddenly one day to overturn them. Right now there is simply no one except MQM who says this. Even ANP gave up and does not want a clash with the mullahs.

Once people see that even Altaf, with all his 'Pakistan creation' speech baggage, is getting support, more parties will change their stance in favor of secularism.

Regarding bhatta politics, I am asking out of general interest. Is bhatta still collected these days? And are you a shopkeeper? :P

MQM does not say anything against Blasphemy laws, don't kid yourself. It says there should be an increase of promiscuity and alcohol, not liberal politics. Blasphemy laws opposition is same as opposition to free speech. You think Altaf, who goes around as Altaf Bhai, wants free speech? A wrongly uttered word in his presence can leave you dead. He wants free speech? This is faulty thinking.

He has been in government for 15 years, why doesn't he quit supporting the government if they don't legislate on this matter?
 
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You do realize that you have 'established' these findings as 'facts' devoid of any proof especially the killings of thousands of Pakistanis. And what sane mind could call the partition anything but a blunder? Half on this side and half on the other side of India???

But why should we be reasonable, right?



No wonder the state of Pakistan.....it's because the other 397 Pakistanis out of every 400. A disgraced, failed state. Simply because we cannot sort out our priorities or find the right leaders.
Yes Sir ISI gave proofs in SC just recently who are involved in Target killings and MQM took first position than was ANP and than was PPP
 
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YT is currently banned in Pakistan. However, I can take an educated guess which video you have posted. May I begin by asking the cause of '71? Why is there a country called 'Bangladesh'? Why is NWFP out of your domain? Why is Baluchistan in such unrest? Why is there such a divide b/w rural and urband Sind/Punjab?

And asking why he doesn't come to Pakistan.......well, why don't you?

People of Pakistan NEVER want to join India. Even Bangaldeshis didn't. Altaf is unique in his treason which is worse than that of Mujeeb's, that he pleads India - note he begs in his typical loud screeching volume, please take us in.

Doesn't that piss you off? He begged Indias in India to save you and me from Pakistan. Woh hota kaun hai?

Chahay kuch hojaye... The loyalty to the country should be never ending and begging India is never on the horizon or in the realm of possibilities.
 
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Yes Sir ISI gave proofs in SC just recently who are involved in Target killings and MQM took first position than was ANP and than was PPP

Teeno ko nikalo, in fact Punjab main PML-N should also be added here... none are fit to be in leadership position in Pakistan.

The old saying comes to mind Khas kam, Jahan Pak.
 
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That wasn't a denial on what MQM really does (elections fraud, bhatta khori, threats, violence, spraying the odd opponent with bullets)...

Denial is pointless as there are 2 absolute groups on these 'accusations', those who have blind faith on these accusations and those who rubbish them as nonsense. We are both at either end of this spectrum.



Liberalism has nothing to do with what he does.

Liberalism: liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics.

I believe in ABSOLUTE no excuses freedom. Altaf does not, in fact his is a nautanki of sorts, number kamanay ke liay liberal "keywords" blab kardoh.

For a liberal, a true one, any law that inhibits freedom of speech would be a problem. AH has presented no legislation. Jahan faida dikha udhar ko nikal gaye.

AH has always been liberal, he's been supporting every sect and religion as in their basic rights. He demands protection and justice to liberty of individuals. His methods may be comical but his words are quite touching in their essence on issues surrounding us.



I remember it quite differently with someone finally resorting to "TOH? SAB HI TOH KARTE HAIN" (in reference to open election dhaandly) :D

Yeah well, that was one thing that we all agreed upon. But when it came to the +'s of MQM such as development of Karachi, bringing in the grass root to NA/PA etc., you had no arguments there.



Seriously who cares about an idiot Maulana. As I said, Maulana Fazlullah is the issue no Maulana Fazl ur Rehman.

I expect zilch from the guy who says India ke aagay haath jorta hoon ke Muhajirs ko woh panaah de dein. It would be a cold day in hell before I ask for any such panaah and I'm sure 99% of all the Mohajirs feel the same way.

I wonder if you would hold steady or sway in position of Governor Karachi whose 3 month old boy was snatched from his mother's hands and thrown on the floor, to his death! Most likely, at the point, most would have either left the country or picked up arms. It's very easy to judge people when one has not been in their situation.



I pay taxes to the state, the MQM is in government utilize the money from the taxes.

Main kyun TT pakray huay party ke larke ko parchi ke response main paisay pakra doon?

Where does this happen? Karachi hai ke koi fiefdom hai?

Honestly? Because you do not pay 'enough' taxes! It's because most of you don't pay any taxes, especially the 8-10% ****** rich. No wonder MK had to introduce taxes such as water & sewerage tax etc.

Yes Sir ISI gave proofs in SC just recently who are involved in Target killings and MQM took first position than was ANP and than was PPP

Had SC been satisfied with these 'proof', SC would have taken some action, on the contrary CJ praised MQM!
 
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People of Pakistan NEVER want to join India. Even Bangaldeshis didn't. Altaf is unique in his treason which is worse than that of Mujeeb's, that he pleads India - note he begs in his typical loud screeching volume, please take us in.

Doesn't that piss you off? He begged Indias in India to save you and me from Pakistan. Woh hota kaun hai?

Chahay kuch hojaye... The loyalty to the country should be never ending and begging India is never on the horizon or in the realm of possibilities.

Yeah well, I do not agree with his viewpoint there. However, I have always had the luxury to look at the brighter side of things, unlike those who have been in boots of which we shudder at the thought. Ask him what made him so desperate instead of giving him the electric chair. Find out what drives people to such extremes and ensure that there is no severe injustice.
 
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BREAKING PAKISTAN MQM STYLE

By Dr Shahid Qureshi

Wednesday 04 Feb 2009

The London Post

Many analysts believe it is not a rocket science to inference that MQM (Muthada Qaumi Movement) and Altaf Hussain are extensions of foreign agencies, and involved in activities to disintegrate the State of Pakistan. On 12th January 2009 MQM tabled a “Provincial Autonomy’ Sine qua non for a Federation, Draft Bill for Constitutional Amendments to Provide Complete Constitutional Autonomy to Constituent Units”. It is quite strange that a party (MQM–A) which bank on the votes of people who migrated and some emigrated later from India and had no roots with any province of Pakistan is allegedly involved in the Indo-US plot of disintegration of Pakistan. So what will happen to those who are not Punjabis, Sindis, Baluchis, Pathans, and Kashmiris living peacefully in Pakistan? Another episode of ‘Biharis - Pakistanis’ living in camps in now Bangladesh?

It seems that MQM’s minders have the Soviet Model in mind because in modern times international plotters use constitutional loopholes or constitutional amendments to disintegrate countries. For example in dismantling the USSR the international plotters used constitutional provisions which had been placed intentionally. The breakup of the USSR was provided in two of the Articles of the constitution. Article 70 Stated: “Union of the Soviets Republics is a unitary, federal, multinational state, formed on the Free Self Determination of Nations”. Article 72 was more explicit and stated: “Each Union Republic retains the right freely to secede from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics ”.

Interestingly no such mechanism is available in the US Constitution and according to US experts “the constitutional language is sparse’. It is up to the Congress to give meaning to that language”. We all know who control and got the majority in the Congress?

Altaf Husain is a British Citizen including some of its members of golden circle seemingly don’t care if country disintegrated and what will happen to those people who migrated or pushed to Pakistan came into being due “Two Nation Theory”. Altaf Hussain and MQM do not agree with Pakistan ’s stand on Kashmir and also do not recognise the ‘State of Pakistan’ and its legitimacy! Well that is Indian line?


Altaf Hussain said “Pakistan’s creation was a ‘‘mistake’’ and a ‘‘blunder in the history of mankind’’ reported Sonia Trikha, 12th July 2001, The Indian Express. He further said, “The Two Nation Theory, which argues that Muslims and Hindus are two separate nations which have to live separately and is the basis of the creation of Pakistan “was a farce.”

“Pakistan a failed State”, said Syed Tariq Mir, Member of the Central Co-ordination Committee, in the SAPRA, conference in Indian in October 2000.

While sitting in his 40+ staffed MQM International Secretariat in London Altaf Hussain want LOC (Line of Control) in Kashmir should be declared permanent border i.e. forget about 92685 killings, 115877 arrests, 15665 home demolitions, by Indian Security Forces, and 22675 widows and 107218 orphans? His comments on Kashmir are not only unacceptable to Kashmiri community but also deplorable as mindless. More than 600,000 Kashmiris are living in the United Kingdom and do not accept his anti Kashmiri and pro Indian remarks. Altaf Hussain’s views and comments about Kashmir and Pakistan are very offensive and treacherous.

Altaf Hussain asked for asylum for MQM workers in India ! “Some what intrigued by the indirect requests and appeals by visiting Pakistani MQM leader, Mr. Altaf Hussain, to grant political asylum to his (MQM) supporters in India, the Indian Home Ministry has categorically rejected his emotional pleas” wrote famous Indian journalist Arun Rajnath wrote, on 8th November 2004.

Minister of State for Home Affairs, S. Reghupati told Arun Rajnath, “Such proposals are not viable or practical, and Mr. Hussain himself understands it. If we grant asylum to Pakistani Mohajirs (refugees), why not to Bangladeshis? Then we should also cease our actions of identifying illegal migrants from Bangladesh and we should open our doors for every Mohajir, and give them legal status.” On the one hand Altaf Hussain has taken British citizen on the other hand he is asking Indian Government to grant political asylum to MQM supporters in India. What game is he playing?

“He (Altaf Hussain) said that while Musharraf is a Mohajir, is ‘‘part and parcel of the Punjabi establishment’’ and thus can never serve the interests of Mohajirs. In this context, he said that Punjab’s partition was a blunder as it only served to divide the Muslim populace of the subcontinent” reported Indian Express on 12th July 2001.

“No one would be allowed to go scot-free after making anti-Pakistan statements” said Interior Minister Lt. Gen (Rtd) Moinuddin Haider in Lahore on 2nd October 2000. Genera Haider further said that a report has been sought from the Pakistan High Commission in India and action would be taken accordingly. On Tuesday, 3 October 2000, the Pakistani Information Minister, Javed Jabbar said that the Interior ministry was seeking details of the MQM delegation’s visit to India.

“General Moin Haider a Mohajr later told newsmen that the MQM (members) had travelled to India on diplomatic passports provided by the Indian government and “were playing into the hands of India .” The government now intends to start legal action against the MQM leaders, who are already facing several charges against them and are mostly residing outside the country”, reported Kamal Siddiqi, ‘The Indian Express’ 28th October 2000. The government of Pakistan was reportedly seeking extradition of Altaf Hussain who was said to be wanted in 50 murders and 150 cases of kidnapping and arson.

Indian officials reportedly said that Altaf Hussain requested Indian Foreign Minister, Natwar Singh that his supporters, the Mohajirs, be granted Long Term Visas (LTV) to live in India . He also requested the Indians to show leniency when considering such cases, especially of the Mohajir community, if they are legally entitled to get the Indian citizenship.

Indian analysts think Altaf Hussain’s requests reflected a deep sense of insecurity and lack of confidence in the durability of the present Pakistani set up as Mr. Hussain was not only staying in self-imposed exile himself in the UK, but was even talking about a large number of his supporters running away from Pakistan to seek asylum in India, as chances of getting asylum in the US and UK had diminished after 9/11.

While talking about the internal conditions in Pakistan with Natwar Singh, Altaf Hussain expressed the desire of several Mohajirs to return to India . He told Mr. Singh the second generation of the Mohajir community was now facing the “acrimonious fruit of the 1947 partition”.

He also recited an Urdu couplet during his interaction with Natwar Singh: ‘Yeh waqt bhi dekha hai taareekh ke safahon ne; Lamhon ne khata ki thi, sadiyon ne sazaa payee’ (Annals of History have witnessed the phenomenon that blunders committed in a short span of time resulted in punishment for centuries)

Indian Foreign Ministry officials told the ‘South Asia Tribune’ Mr. (Altaf) Hussain had also revealed that a large number of his Mohajir community wanted to return to their roots, and most of them wanted their Indian citizenship back.

Asked to comment on the subject, the Secretary, of the Minority Cell of Congress Party, Meem Afzal had different views: “The new generation of the Pakistan Mohajirs does not wish to re-unite with India or return to their roots. Their counterparts in India also do not wish their relatives to come back from Pakistan to settle down in India . It is just a matter of a few years and after the end of the second generation or Altaf Hussain’s generation, the ghost of nostalgia will just disappear.”

Apart from this some of the Mohajirs were declared ‘dead’ in property documents/papers/ records at the time of the partition by other members of the family to protect their property from being taken over by Indian authorities. Those who stayed behind claimed full inheritance. If they or their children return to India , it would gravely complicate matters.

“The Government of India had virtually kept Altaf Hussain under ‘room-arrest’ the whole day on 6th November, 2004, and nobody was allowed to see him or his party men. Various government officials and security men paid visits to him the whole day. Mr. Hussain and his aides were given cellular phones with special numbers”, wrote Arun Rajnath.

British passports are issued to thousands non British every year no one ever took their photo with the passport like primary school ‘graduation’ as MQM leader Altaf Hussain did? Some one said, ‘Altaf Hussain will never go to Pakistan ’ but he went to India on his British Passport but did not go to Pakistan even when his party is ruling the province and part of federal government. He has been living in Britain since 1992.

It is time for loyalists to get their acts together because fact of the matter is that all the ingredients, pawns, tools, Durani, Gillani, Haqqani, Zardari, Wali, Hussain and Malik are in place to break Pakistan but they all should remember that as someone said,
 
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Regret to admit that despite the fact that I dislike MQM’s ethnic character; MQM is definitely not sectarian and her MP/MNA nomination recommendations come up from the grass roots level.

There are no waderas and big industrialists among her leaders. Thus preferable to other parties.
Therefore in today’s Pakistan, MQM is lesser of the evil.
 
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Clarion call: MQM chief backs operation in North Waziristan – The Express Tribune

yeah right..
Too many Pathans of karachi will use this as an excuse to bring back the rioting conditions of 1990s when mohajirs and Pathans wee at war...


Thanks for your honesty and thinking out of the box, Exactly the same and their sympathizers are the people MQM is fighting against in Karachi and the very same are responsible for the law and order situation. We will not let a bunch of thugs change our lives and culture.
 
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altaf hussain while residing in london away from his home country is a fat ugly bigot, he needs opportunity to release his statements and taking advantage of the situation

or should i say his home country is infact india and not pakistan

looks like he is on a payroll of MI6 recieves daily wages by issuing such statements
 
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