How come Japan is not capable to build large Jets ?

[Hafizzz]

China also can't do it buddy .we mainly just assembly .this need time to learn the technology .may be 10 years later we will product it totally .ten years trust China we can do it .

It is understandable for China not being able to build a large Jet because China is not yet a 'High Tech" country but Japan is already a declared High Tech country and so is S. Korea.

You ask some pretty silly questions.

Any country in the world can build it's on jet. But it's just easier to buy off other countries that have already developed them. It's cheaper also. Plus you can trade stuff your country produces for them.

It's called globalization and world trade.

The one who is silly is you ....wouldn't countries out there want to be able to build their own Jets instead of depending on Western companies who are waiting to steal their jobs and money ???

Simple answer is; because they are small in size....

Small in size ??? LOL

no need,

Japan is a great ally and will defend her

???? You are lost, my friend. We are talking about building Large Commercial Jet and not Fighter Jets.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

How come a "High Tech" country such as Japan cannot build her own Large Jet ? And same question for S. Korea !

There must be some kind of sabotage by the jealous USA.

 

[Hafizzz]

There must be some kind of sabotage by the jealous USA.

^^^Could be the answer.

 

[Chogy]

There must be some kind of sabotage by the jealous USA.

Behind every blade of grass is an American conspiracy...


Maybe it's because Boeing and Airbus pretty much have the commercial jet business locked up? Maybe because there are perhaps 6 companies in the world that can create the enormous turbofan engines that power these airplanes?

Or... maybe it's simple economy. Japan could spend 100 billion $$ designing and producing a handful of jets. Or, they could spend 6 billion and buy the equivalent from Boeing or Airbus.

The Japanese are not economically stupid.

 

[oct605032048]

but they are not politically strong enough to stand against american intervene or persuasion.

 

[Hafizzz]

Behind every blade of grass is an American conspiracy...


Maybe it's because Boeing and Airbus pretty much have the commercial jet business locked up? Maybe because there are perhaps 6 companies in the world that can create the enormous turbofan engines that power these airplanes?

Or... maybe it's simple economy. Japan could spend 100 billion $$ designing and producing a handful of jets. Or, they could spend 6 billion and buy the equivalent from Boeing or Airbus.

The Japanese are not economically stupid.

^^^makes no sense economically.

If japan can design and produce large commercial jets then she can compete for a slice of the world Jet market
that's worth in the hundreds of billions of dollar in China alone.

 

[Speeder 2]

It is understandable for China not being able to build a large Jet because China is not yet a 'High Tech" country but Japan is already a declared High Tech country and so is S. Korea.

It depends on what kind of hi-tech. S Korea is only high tech in certain areas such as eletronics, semiconductor, ship-building etc, not on oeverall industrial base in which S Korea is no where near the level of Japan, or China.

China is "low tech"compared to S Korea only in certain areas, but is leagues ahead of S Korea in overall Industrial power and fundamental (science) research.

Building large planes reflects a symbol of overall industrial might. I believe that Japan definitely can build large planes; Why she doesn't do it? could be many reasons... but not because of tech. I think S Korea almost definitely has not enough tech capabilities to build large planes.

 

[Hafizzz]

It depends on what kind of hi-tech. S Korea is only high tech in certain areas such as eletronics, semiconductor, ship-building etc, not on oeverall industrial base in which S Korea is no where near the level of Japan, or China.

China is "low tech"compared to S Korea only in certain areas, but lis eagues ahead of S Korea in overall Industrial power and fundamental (science) research.

Building large planes reflects a symbol of overall industrial might. I believe that Japan definitely can build large planes; Why she doesn't do it? could be many reasons... but not because of tech. I think S Korea almost definitely has not enough tech capabilities to build large planes.

Well the reason I started this thread is to find out why a Western Journalist claimed that Japan , South Korea and Indonesia all failed to build their own commercial Jets when Japan and S. Korea are both High tech countries.

 

[Chogy]

Let me give an example.

Who makes the most large cargo ships in the world?


It's not the US, it's not China. It's South Korea. By a WIDE margin.

Shipbuilding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does this mean the U.S. cannot build large cargo/container ships? Of course not. We build nuclear aircraft carriers. But economically, South Korea does it better. It is cheaper to buy them from South Korea than produce them in the U.S.

The same applies to jumbo jets. We live in a global economy. Just because a nation can build and sell something, doesn't mean they can do so successfully against established and stiff competition. Excluding the USSR for a moment, Boeing had only one real competitor in the 1960's, and that was Douglas aircraft (which became McDonnell-Douglas). Boeing crushed Douglas with brilliant designs like the 7X7 series.

Along comes Airbus, a European consortium. It took massive government subsidies, and the sales of Airbus jets below cost, to become competitive with Boeing. Now, they are, and produce a fine aircraft, but it was a very difficult start-up.

Japan has (IMO) the technical expertise to do just about anything, from making nukes to spacecraft. The simply choose not to do much of this. Just because a nation can do something, doesn't mean they must.

 

[Unbeliever]

The answer is simply one of globalisation which encourages "niche" economic specialisation to a certain extent. The Japanese have there niche in cars, high-tech entertainment and pharmaceutical products etc. They could certainly develope large jets of their own but project like the A-380

cost about 11 billion dollars just for development, that is a lot of money.
The low additonal market for it in Japan and the strong competition makes it simply nonsensical to pursue that since a certain extent of specialisation produces win-win scenarios. Such an economic benefit could only be outmatched by strategic concerns which Japans does not have for reasons mentioned.

Germany is a partner in eurofighter, isn it?

Yes, we (or more precise the folks at EADS Germany) are mainly responsible for the building Main centre fuselage.

 

[Nomenclature]

The size of South Korean economy is too small to support a large commercial jet project. It's not just about aerospace R&D or manufacturing (which South Korean also has far less experience than Japan) . It's also about how much financial firepower one has.

Looks at S.Korean shipbuilding industry, they used to be no.1 shipbuilder in the world. Not anymore. Why? Largely because Chinese shipbuilders can get cheap financing for their clients from Chinese banking behemoths, South Koreans simply can't match this so they're overtaken by the Chinese.

 

[Guest]

the globe demand of commercial jets in the next 20 years is expected to reach $250-600 bn, so if anyone think that building them is not profitable, think again. And guess how much China has invested in developing C919, RMB 10-20 bn only. Moreover, it can create more than 10,000 hi-tech job position directly and maybe 10 times more indirectly.

 

[Vajra_Yuddh]

Is that an excuse ? It is not like Japan did not spend time and money trying to build their own Large Jets.

Man, everything need not be built in-house especially when you have sources from where you can get other stuff. This is where the trade off between in house production and buying from outside and saving money comes. Japanese had full support of Americans in all logistical ways in civilian as well as military field.

Most of Japanese commercial aviation is based on American planes. So why waste billions over setting up everything from scratch just for a few planes when they can simply license build Boeing planes with one sign of their PM?

Japanese do everything in such a way that there's no competition against US in any way. This is why Japanese don't even export their own domestic weapon systems as they got some constitutional ban on competing with US in critical technology. The latest transporter they made C-X was only after US nodded.

 

[Vajra_Yuddh]

Chinese got a strong local demand and a deep huge market to easily recover any initial costs and hence can take a risk of that nature. Japanese local demand is almost zero compared to what the world wants and they will be totally screwed if their planes don't make it big in the aviation market internationally.

 

[Vajra_Yuddh]

the globe demand of commercial jets in the next 20 years is expected to reach $250-600 bn, so if anyone think that building them is not profitable, think again. And guess how much China has invested in developing C919, RMB 10-20 bn only. Moreover, it can create more than 10,000 hi-tech job position directly and maybe 10 times more indirectly.

In-house production and plane development is fine for countries like you and us because our own markets are enormous. But that would need a lot of infrastructural support and money pouring into this. With West almost outsourcing everything, there are strong jobs in each of our countries anyways; you Airbus and we Boeing.

I know you're talking about critical know how but making everything in-house isn't always necessary. Sometimes it is just cheaper to buy and license- produce: that creates jobs in the country and at the same time keeps trade relations in relevant sector vital internationally.


Now there are 5-6 entities in world aerospace market: USA, Canada, Brazil, EU, Russia and China, closely being approached by India in smaller carrier sector. I think that these many contenders are more than enough to capture markets and at the same time give cost-effective and reasonable pricing to customers.

Russia civil aviation has leaped back again and is on a spree to be the eastern substitute to Boeing and Airbus and now you guys have come; this itself will force Europeans and Americans to lower their price tags and make effective arrangements to stay in competition.