How can Pakistan make peace with its neighbours?

[azeemfslbd]

Oh no! not another one.
Every time someone comes with Ummah philosophy, i have to post this comment by The patriot who posted it in response to a Israeli thread. Read it

My thoughts...........As people or rather more accurately Muslims of Pakistan here on this forum want to do ‘jihad’ against the oppression of Israel and Palestinian being our Muslim brothers deserve our support then if it’s a good and righteous thing, lets not stop at Hamas. As our Muslim brotherhood demands we should help every Muslim in the world. Pakistan should take on America too because it has attacked two Muslim countries. Lets send weapons and jihadis to Afghanistan and Iraq too. Lets also train Uygur Muslims who are ‘persecuted’ by communist China. They also deserve our help.

Don’t forget Chechnya, those Muslims are fighting for over 300 years. Lets sell or donate them weapon too. They are our brothers too. We should help our brothers in Kenya, Somalia, Sudan too. Lets sell them too. We should also provide weapon to any Muslim who is persecuted by non-Muslims. We should also supply some weapons and training to Muslims in France and Switzerland because they are imposing ban on purdah thus they have become anti-Muslims. We should not spare England and other NATO members even Australian because they are participating in operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

And you know what if the whole world then declare us terrorist state it wont matter as we have already been treated like so. Also forget about UN it is puppet in the hands of Jews.

We should not worry if the whole world comes and bomb us and kill all Pakistanis, we will go to Jannat where 72 virgins would wait for us.

We will die like martyrs and will fulfill our duties being a Muslim. Why should we care about the world which is a temporal thing. We should think about hereafter.
Do I sound like OBL or Taliban?

In the end, i have question for you. What matters you the most? Religion or country?

Hi Mehru I think you have misunderstood me !! I did not say that we should declare war or even use weapons against countries that disrespect Islam.... all I said is that I can't regard China as a genuine friend of Pakistan until Uighurs are given freedom as Muslims from a communist country that restricts their practice of Islam. Mehru can you tell me why we want Palestinians, Kashmiris etc to be free? for the same reason, I want Uighurs to be free and independent. But I never, ever want to see violence being associated with Pakistan's involvement... again, all i implied is that Pakistan can't regard China as a genuine friend till Uighurs have freedom because then we are creating ridiculous double standards between Kashmiris in India and Uighurs in China, right??

 

[azeemfslbd]

China is not our boss. Learn to differentiate between a friend and a master.
and yes Long Live Pak-China friendship.

Okay Mehru. So do you support Kashmiri freedom movement? Why/why not? Second do you support Uighur freedom movement? Why/why not?

 

[mehru]

Hi Mehru I think you have misunderstood me !! I did not say that we should declare war or even use weapons against countries that disrespect Islam.... all I said is that I can't regard China as a genuine friend of Pakistan until Uighurs are given freedom as Muslims from a communist country that restricts their practice of Islam. Mehru can you tell me why we want Palestinians, Kashmiris etc to be free? for the same reason, I want Uighurs to be free and independent. But I never, ever want to see violence being associated with Pakistan's involvement... again, all i implied is that Pakistan can't regard China as a genuine friend till Uighurs have freedom because then we are creating ridiculous double standards between Kashmiris in India and Uighurs in China, right??

I don't support terrorist organizations even if it is led by Muslims. Because if i do then i have to support Taliban movement too and i can't do that.

 

[T-Faz]

@ azeemfslbd

Change your location to the country you are based in.

 

[azeemfslbd]

I don't support terrorist organizations even if it is led by Muslims. Because if i do then i have to support Taliban movement too and i can't do that.

Mehru I definitely understand that. But I dont mean like terrorist organization, e.g. Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc, I mean more like freedom fighting organizations.

What i mean to say is... what is ur definition of a terrorist group and a freedom fighting group??

 

[mehru]

Okay Mehru. So do you support Kashmiri freedom movement? Why/why not? Second do you support Uighur freedom movement? Why/why not?

Kashmiri freedom fighters are terrorists in my view only if they attack civilians. Kashmir is a disputed territory between two countries while Xinjiang is China's part where separatist movement is going on. How the hell you drew parallel between them?

 

[azeemfslbd]

@ azeemfslbd

Change your location to the country you are based in.

T-Faz i live in Faisalabad.. why??

P.S. does anyone know how to quote different people in one message? otherwise this might look like im spamming or taking too many boxes (im new over here))

 

[T-Faz]

T-Faz i live in Faisalabad.. why??

P.S. does anyone know how to quote different people in one message? otherwise this might look like im spamming or taking too many boxes (im new over here))

Thats's not what your IP tells me.

 

[mehru]

Mehru I definitely understand that. But I dont mean like terrorist organization, e.g. Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc, I mean more like freedom fighting organizations.

What i mean to say is... what is ur definition of a terrorist group and a freedom fighting group??

It is difficult to draw line between them but in my opinion terrorist organization is the one which attacks civilians whereas freedom fighters don't.
In case you don't know East Turkestan Islamic Movement is in close contact with Taliban and al-qaeda and they are blamed for bomb attacks and for instigating violence. So tell me are they freedom fighters?

 

[azeemfslbd]

Kashmiri freedom fighters are terrorists in my view only if they attack civilians. Kashmir is a disputed territory between two countries while Xinjiang is China's part where separatist movement is going on. How the hell you drew parallel between them?

Mehru now i m confused lol ... for me if Xinjiang/Uighurs is having a separatist movement and part of China then does that make it a disputed territory...??

 

[azeemfslbd]

Thats's not what your IP tells me.

the hometown is faisalabad and the current city is hong kong...... ill just put hk as my current city then

 

[Patriot]

so brother Patriot, Uighur militants are terrorists? so what is the different between them and Kashmiri freedom fighters?? so Kashmiri freedom fighters are also terrorists is it?? this is what i hate about Pakistan, we say we are proud to be a Muslim country but really we are licking Chinese a$$... the Uighurs MUSLIMS are "terrorists" who are fighting for independence from COMMUNIST china [mainly BUDDHIST/CONFUCIAN/TAOIST] which limits their freedom of religion and china has taken Xinjiang region by force.... is this not a similar case to Kashmir? but no, still according to you Uighur freedom fighters are terrorists... why? because they are fighting against OUR BOSS, CHINA !!!

please... respect yourself, respect the plight of the Uighur people, respect Pakistan, respect Islam... don't create double standards when it comes to such a thing AS THE UMMAH my brother!!!!

EDIT: forgot to answer your question at the end brother.. I will never even think of supporting Taliban because they are not fighting for the better of Muslims' lives but they are making lives of Muslims worse... lemme make it clear... I support foreign Islamic liberation movements against forces that limit practice of Islam... it is the blessings of Allah (s.w.t.) that we can freely practise Islam in Pakistan.. Brother dont u believe other Muslims in less free countries (like Pakistan for Muslims) deserve that degree of privilege/freedom??

Tum nay Musalmano ka theka liya hoa hay?Should India attack Pakistan then as We treat Hindus and Christians and even Ahmedis much worse then ****.Why do you want to put your leg where it does not belong?Kashmir is much more a regional issue then religional.Thank God our Diplomats dont think like this else we would be fucked up totally isolated.Brother you're a hypocrite in simple words.You want to restrict everything for minorities in islamic countries like ahemdis cant call themselves musims because it offends muslims but you want shanshah/king treatment for muslim minorities in every country?World does not work that way my friend and yes, Ugihr millitants are terror organizations no question asked just as i consider Moist operating in india terrorists.I don't give a **** about some delusional brotherhood.Pakistan's National Interests overweight's everything else.

 

[mehru]

Mehru now i m confused lol ... for me if Xinjiang/Uighurs is having a separatist movement and part of China then does that make it a disputed territory...??

You really are confused. How is Xinjiang a disputed territory? Their problem is insurgency. Same is the case with Baluchistan where insurgency is present of low intensity.

 

[T-Faz]

the hometown is faisalabad and the current city is hong kong...... ill just put hk as my current city then

Honk Kong is an administrative region of China, the same China against whom you are vocally supporting a secessionist movement.

How would you feel if a Chinese sitting in Pakistani side of Kashmir was lending vocal support to Balochistan Liberation Army.

 

[Patriot]

Wow you live in China and you want to support a terrorist organization in there - Hope the authorities sooner then later.