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question1
what factors are considered when the fighter pilots are assigned different jets?
age/ experience/their own likes/ tests and evaluation/ physical fittness/ natural aptitude or attacking behaviour...

question2
what qualities are more distinctive in an f16 pilot chosen in paf to an interceptor or ground attack pilot?

question3
how are base commanders of different squadrons appointed rather than to upgrade them to more hiteck jets suppose f-16s? is age a factor here?


Currently the pilots are divided among
a-5
f-7/ pg
mirage [land]
mirage [navy]
f-16


IN COMING YEARS, they would be divided among...

jf17 block1
jf17 block2
f16 block40
f16 block50
fc-20

question4
how will it be decided weather a pilot goes to f16 block 52 or towards fc20


question5
usaf also has f16s, f15s and f18s.. they would also be having some criteria?


..just some question from a novice's point of view
 
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question1
what factors are considered when the fighter pilots are assigned different jets?
age/ experience/their own likes/ tests and evaluation/ physical fittness/ natural aptitude or attacking behaviour...

question2
what qualities are more distinctive in an f16 pilot chosen in paf to an interceptor or ground attack pilot?

question3
how are base commanders of different squadrons appointed rather than to upgrade them to more hiteck jets suppose f-16s? is age a factor here?


Currently the pilots are divided among
a-5
f-7/ pg
mirage [land]
mirage [navy]
f-16


IN COMING YEARS, they would be divided among...

jf17 block1
jf17 block2
f16 block40
f16 block50
fc-20

question4
how will it be decided weather a pilot goes to f16 block 52 or towards fc20


question5
usaf also has f16s, f15s and f18s.. they would also be having some criteria?


..just some question from a novice's point of view

interesting thread, and i dont have a clue!:undecided:
i would think it probably depends on the pilots aptitude to master sophistication, pilot skills would also play a role, performance in training flights and excercises could also play a role in determining which pilot goes to which squadron or weapons platform (chinese, french or american). i know this that the standards or criteria are very stringent in determining all this!:enjoy:
 
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question1
what factors are considered when the fighter pilots are assigned different jets?
age/ experience/their own likes/ tests and evaluation/ physical fittness/ natural aptitude or attacking behaviour...

question2
what qualities are more distinctive in an f16 pilot chosen in paf to an interceptor or ground attack pilot?

question3
how are base commanders of different squadrons appointed rather than to upgrade them to more hiteck jets suppose f-16s? is age a factor here?


Currently the pilots are divided among
a-5
f-7/ pg
mirage [land]
mirage [navy]
f-16


IN COMING YEARS, they would be divided among...

jf17 block1
jf17 block2
f16 block40
f16 block50
fc-20

question4
how will it be decided weather a pilot goes to f16 block 52 or towards fc20


question5
usaf also has f16s, f15s and f18s.. they would also be having some criteria?


..just some question from a novice's point of view

Xman would be able to give a good answer to this. Muradk may also be able to add as he has flown the Viper.
 
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The USAF does not fly f-18's, those are flown by USN and USMC pilots.

I am not really familiar with the USAF policies, so I will not comment. In the USMC and USN, the policy works something like this. When a prospective officer starts the commissioning process, he signs a contract for a general area he would like a job in. In the USMC thsese go into Naval Aviator, Ground, Naval Flight Officer, and Law. The USN is larger, and has more options. Surface Warfare, Submarine, NFO, Reactor Officer, and probably more I don't know. All of the Naval Aviators after commissioning and the basic school, and a short stint in a program called Aviation PreFlight Indoctrination (API) are sent off basic flight training "Primary". Here is where the first selection occurs.

Before graduation, the Navy and Marines send out projections of how many various aviators of different types they are going to need in a couple of years. The student body is split into two groups, fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft. This is because the training times are so different, and the required time in service for fixed wing is 8 years, while the required time in service for rotary is 6. The difference in terms is in large part a function of the increased mortality in rotary wing aircraft Vs. fixed.

The officers are further sub-divided into 3 parts based on class rank. The top third, the middle third, and the bottom third. The purpose of this is so that every branch gets about an equal quality of officer. So if I need 9 Growler pilots, I would get 3 in the top third, three in the middle, etc.

Within your 30% or so, the slots are competitive. So, most people want Jets, and there is much competition to get them. It is "Kinda-Sorta" first come first serve. If you are at the top of your class, you will probably get your first pick, if your instructors think you got to the top of the class unfairly, or just are not cut out for what you picked, they can deny you the slot.

So, once everyone had been subdivided into Jets and Props after Primary, a similar thing happens in advanced training later on, except the classes are small enough that spliting the class into thirds does not really happen.

Long story short. The criteria go like this: 1. Open slots (Needs of the service) 2. Personal Preference (Based on training performance and class rank) 3. Instructor/C.O prerogative.
 
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Class rank is determined by physical fitness, classroom test scores, and flight evaluation. Early on, the emphasis is on the first two, later in training (When officers actually start getting significant time in the cockpit), the emphasis is on flight performance.
 
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very intresting thread i must say!! another question how early can a pilot get in an F-16 as in can a flying officer be assigned to an F-16 squadron....and what are the procedures our neighbour INDIA adopts....
 
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antibody - what is a polots??

well perhaps my keyboard gaveway [doctors are notorious for spelling mistakes]..... but i dont think that the spellings are wrong in the original posts, some kind of technical mistake perhaps.

Xman would be able to give a good answer to this. Muradk may also be able to add as he has flown the Viper.
yes please it would be great if they could explain the 5 questions... or perhaps even more in detail.
:welcome:
 
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Another thing. In the US military (Specifically Naval Aviation, I am pretty fuzzy on USAF), once your career path is set "Jets, Props, Helos" it is largely a function of open slots.Their are exceptions to the rule (Read: B-2, F-22, or test pilots, which require massive number of hours in operational aircraft beforehand) , but pilots get their specific qualifications in situ. I.E Say a slot for A-6's is open, and I am already qualified in a basic jets and carrier landings. I get basic qualification on the A-6, and then head out to my unit to actually learn the in's and outs of the aircraft. By the time of first "non-training" deployment, the pilot has already spent 3 years or so training if you start from the day of commissioning.

So, due to the fact that no one is precisely certain when their career will end, and the limited number of specific airframes, there is no specific F-18, F-16, F-15, etc, training track. Predicting the number of new pilots a service will need ahead of time is something of an art form and guessing game.
 
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question1
what factors are considered when the fighter pilots are assigned different jets?
age/ experience/their own likes/ tests and evaluation/ physical fittness/ natural aptitude or attacking behaviour...

question2
what qualities are more distinctive in an f16 pilot chosen in paf to an interceptor or ground attack pilot?

question3
how are base commanders of different squadrons appointed rather than to upgrade them to more hiteck jets suppose f-16s? is age a factor here?


Currently the pilots are divided among
a-5
f-7/ pg
mirage [land]
mirage [navy]
f-16


IN COMING YEARS, they would be divided among...

jf17 block1
jf17 block2
f16 block40
f16 block50
fc-20

question4
how will it be decided weather a pilot goes to f16 block 52 or towards fc20


question5
usaf also has f16s, f15s and f18s.. they would also be having some criteria?


..just some question from a novice's point of view

A very complicated question I will just go through a few points.

When you graduate from the Academy you go to FCU Which is the first stage of you becoming a fighter Pilots after that you go to OCU by the time you reach OCU a lot of boys don't make it. There are thousands of factors from which you can be suspendid, In OCU we see how the boy in Air how good is he in studies , weight, and a lot more. When you graduate OCU PAF will see that ok this boy is good in studies his mind is faster than the fighter his weight is excellent if a spot is open in 11OCU he goes to F-16 rest according to the above are sent on different fighters. Sometimes pilots gain weight very quickly after academy now you dont want to put a 230 pound pilot in a 9 g fighter and so on.
Question 2 is also answered.
now this question is wrong

how are base commanders of different squadrons appointed rather than to upgrade them to more hiteck jets suppose f-16s? is age a factor here?

First Base commanders don't command Fighter SQD, a SQD Commander does. A Base Commander commands the whole base and every base has a wing which is commanded by OC flying. So the base commander sits on the top. From the day you pass out from Academy your ACR is done every year than they see what kind of pilot were you how much score did you pull in CCS how was your tenure as a Flight Commander OPS or Training how good an instructor were you what qualifications do you have are you a Green Card, Master Green, White card , Master white all these things make up your resume which goes to DCAS OPS in AHQ he decided how goes where.
now remember there are only 2 people in PAF who have power the COAS and a SQD COMMANDER because of the fire power he has under him. A Sqd Cmd decides what is good from his SQD he can over ride the decision of the OC flying and the Base commander at any time without telling them.
Just because you are flying an F-16 doesn't mean you will fly JF-17 or a new plane like I said the above is taken into consideration.
now lets talk SIFARISH. yes people in the past and present have got good posts or bad post because of Favoritism and can be a very demotivating problems at times.
 
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While assigning pilots to different aircarft, i think height of the pilot specially the height in sitting position is also very important. I think ejection seat of Mirage is designed that incase of ejection, seat has two prongs which shatter the canopy before the seat and the pilot comes out. There has been instance that due to lonher sitting height, pilot head struck the canopy first then the ejection seat. so this result in breaking of neck of the pilot.
Chineese aircarft also may have the same problem as chineese pilots are shorter in height then pakistani average man's height.
 
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Before I reply, I think it will be appropriate to know how the pilot training in PAF takes place. I will quote an old post of mine from another thread which will give you an idea about the stages of the training.

Once a flight cadet completes his Bachelors degree, the real fun begins or for some : The real horror...

First, he/she starts ab-initio training on MFI-17 ( Mushshak) at Primary Flying Training Wing (PFT) and learns the basics of flying...once successfully completed the solo phase, cadets begin with basic and gradually proceed to advance manoeuvres....Lots of attrition takes place at this stage and I would say that more than half of the course/class is dropped out permanently from further flying due to various reasons which could be slow progress / lack of flying aptitude / air-sickness/ or many cant cope with the harsh environments so they just simply give up.....

The ones who qualify PFT, proceed to the Jet world on either T-37 or K-8, know as Basic Flying Training (BFT).....Besides solo stage, cadets learn Instrument flying, Advanced manoeuvres, few combat manoeuvres , High / Low level Navigation , formation and night flying....Again, many are dropped out due to slow progress and attrition continues in each phase of flying...

The lucky ones who survive PFT and BFT get the commission in PAF as an officer in the GD(P) branch and are considered eligible to wear the elite Flying Wing on their uniforms....But their miseries aren’t over yet and the sword of suspension still hangs over their heads....

PFT and BFT are done at PAF Academy Risalpur...After graduating from academy, now for the young budding officers, their next destination is PAF Mianwali.. They report to FCU - Fighter conversion Unit and fly FT-5 for around six months...Unlike MFI-17 and T-37 that have side by side seats,Ft-5 has tendom seats and much faster than T-37...Here they get a bit of a touch of fighter flying....many battle formations and few fighting manoeuvres are learnt...Again few unlucky ones are dropped out at this stage as well....

Next stop, OCU - Operational Conversion Unit on F-7P....By this time , Boys are becoming Men ....stakes are usually very high in OCUs....and the real fun begins ...One flies a supersonic fighter jet for the first time....officers learn Air to Air/ Air to Ground Gunnery, Air Combat ( 1 V 1 , 1 V 2 , 2V2), Missile firing , various air combat manoeuvres , low level strikes and lots of other fighter flying related stuff....Few drop out here as well and sent either to helicopters or Transport aircrafts...

Pheeeeww....The ones who finally survive the OCU as well...are ready to join the ranks of the fighter squadrons in PAF....they are posted to various bases and continue to polish and hone their fighter flying skills in the squadrons...

So this is how it goes from a civilian guy to a fighter pilot......>>>..Initial selection tests----->>ISSB----->>Medical------->>Final merit at Air HQ----->>Reporting at Academy---->>Military training along with gaining the Bachelors degree---->>PFT --->>BFT----->>Graduation from Academy------>>FCU---->>OCU---->>Fighter Squadron (at last)

Although, its seems a very long, strenuous and a demanding journey all the way but trust me: In the end IT’S WORTH IT....


Sir MuradK also replied to your queries, so I will just add few more points..

Unlike many other airforces that segregate the fighter and transport/helicopter pilots at a very early stage, PAF trains everyone to become a Fighter pilot. However barring few exceptions, the unsuccessful ones who are generally dropped from the OCUs or considered unsuitable for fighter flying are either sent to helicopters or to the transport aircrafts.

Until late 80s/early 90s majority of pilots did OCU on F-6. When F-7s arrived, there were parallel OCUs of both F-6 and F-7. And since F-6s phased out, now we have only the F-7 OCUs.

When only F-6 was in OCU, the successful pilots were equally split between A-5 and F-6 squadrons. The choice of aircraft was usually made by the students or depending upon the requirements, the seniors will make the decision. After spending 3 to 4 years in an F-6/A-5/F-7 squadron, pilots are then moved onto either Mirage or F-16. Selection mainly depends upon ones :-

1. Flying performance in various roles.
2. Annual Evaluation reports.
3. Squadron commander’s recommendation.

PAF trains every pilot in each role no matter which aircraft one is assigned to. For example, while A-5 pilots extensively fly in the ground attack role, but they also have to fly a good chunk of air combat missions every year. They do fly similar and dissimilar air combat missions a lot. Similarly, while an F-7 pilots basic role is air superiority but they do fly lots of staffing, bombing and strike missions too. Hence when a pilot switches from an A-5 to F-16, it’s not difficult for him to grasp the air combat role or vice versa.

So presently there are two routes to climb up the ladder:-

1. OCU on F-7---> 2 or 3 years in F-7/A-5 ------> Mirage ( another 2 years)-----> F-16
2. OCU on F-7---> 3 to 4 years in F-7/A-5 ------>straight to F-16

Hopefully once we have JF-17, FC-20 and Block 52s in our inventory and no more F-7/A-5/Mirage, the routes could be:-

1. OCU on JF-17---> 2 or 3 years in JF-17 ------>F-16 MLU ( another 2 years)-----> F-16 Block 52
2. OCU on JF-17---> 2 or 3 years in JF-17 ------>FC-20
3. OCU on JF-17---> 2 or 3 years in JF-17 ------>FC-20( another two years)-----> F-16 Block 52

What I have seen and learnt that IAF also follows a similar pattern. Their base fighter is Mig-21 and from there they move up the ladder to Mig 23/Mig 27/Jaguar----> Mig 29/ Mirage-2000 and then onto SU-30. There can be few variations in this path but this is how it generally works.
 
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Hi to all well done guys on posting and replying to very very useful post for gaining more and more knowledege about the PAF which is really highly appreciated atleast from my side.

Once again thanks alot for sharing your opinions specially Sir Murdak you are the MAN.:victory::cheers:
 
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Pilots who drop from the FCU/OCU are not less fortunate. Even, some really dream of being a transport pilot.
Flying C-130, CASA 235, Falcons, Citaton V like aircarft, puts pilots on a comparitively less risk then in a fighter jet. Unlike enduring high flying stresses, transport pilot can, during flying, relax, nap, sip coffee.

Then there are lot of foriegn visits, daily allounces, going to international airports, give a unique experience to pilots, not matched by fighter pilots. Such exposure transform to valuable expertise, when applying for a commercial job, after, release from service. VIP/VVip pilots do a job, everybody is envious. VIP/VVIP pilots are themselves treated as such.
Helicopter pilots also endure less flying stresses. besides, helicopter flying experience is unique and helicopter pilots are highly sought after worldover.

Now i have a question here, how pilots are assigned to UAV squadron in PAF :undecided:
 
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