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How 90kN-Kaveri and 125kN-Kaveri Engine Projects will be Game Changer for India

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can primitive India be able to make WWII standard piston engines yet? or should I say, are they capable of assemble a WWII era piston engine with directly imported foreign parts yet?`````to me this article is yet another joke from joke India :lol:
 
whats the timeline fro the project considering Indian defense projects tend to have lots of delays..
I think by 3017 HAL/ADA/GTRE/What-so-ever-alphabetical-soup-agency will be able to get a limited serial production of the engine. Too bad earth will be out of petroleum by then.
 
GTRE a few years back had held talks with French Snecma on possible development of new K10 engine using a new Rafales M-88 core to develop a 99kN thrust engine which could power both Tejas MK-2 and AMCA fighter jets but talks failed to materialise into a collaboration but since then Tejas MK-2 has gone cold and AMCA Project came up with engine requirement of 110kN thrust class engine after Developers wanted to keep additional 10kN thrust as safety measure but 125kN Kaveri could be an attempt to kill two birds with one stone .
There is a clear pattern emerging if one cares to note. The technology wanted shifts every year, and the developers are always playing catch up. Whether it was the Tejas, the Arjun, or now this engine it is proudly said that we will make better then ever before. Maybe the French knock some sense into the DRDO or maybe they keep on skimming the Indians and their 'not good enough' mentality.
The assault rifle tender should have honestly made some people wake up in the Indian bureaucracy and if not there maybe in the government.
125kN Kaveri engine will not be plug and play for Sukhoi-30MKI and will require certain modifications and changes to the airframe as well as to the engine itself, for that India might require Russian help but if Russia does refuse to help or asks for hefty amount of money then HAL and DRDO along with French will be able to replace this engines on their own just like how Chinese have been experimenting with their WS-Series of afterburning engines on their Sukhoi-27/30 and their Copies .
The Russians will not take kindly to the French being allowed that near their fighters. the engine is the heart of the plane and would reveal too much on the workings of the planes.
 
The Russians will not take kindly to the French being allowed that near their fighters. the engine is the heart of the plane and would reveal too much on the workings of the planes.
Well, if US can digest Chinese being near to Pakistani F-16... I guess anything is possible.

Besides, French are being hired to fix specific issues in Indian engine not to fit the engine on Russian planes.

There is a clear pattern emerging if one cares to note. The technology wanted shifts every year, and the developers are always playing catch up. Whether it was the Tejas, the Arjun, or now this engine it is proudly said that we will make better then ever before. Maybe the French knock some sense into the DRDO or maybe they keep on skimming the Indians and their 'not good enough' mentality.
The assault rifle tender should have honestly made some people wake up in the Indian bureaucracy and if not there maybe in the government.

You know there is something called Lindy's effect in the lifetime/success of abstract ideas like technology. It means the future lifetime of any abstract idea like technology is determined/proportional to its past life. Take AK-47 for example. After all the advancement in guns, it still rules the roost and it will be still ruling the roost in 2080. Same is with planes etc. With all the hoo haa of Fifth generation, the world will still be dominated by F-16s / Su-27 design derivatives simply the most successful fighter around the block.
 
You know there is something called Lindy's effect in the lifetime/success of abstract ideas like technology. It means the future lifetime of any abstract idea like technology is determined/proportional to its past life. Take AK-47 for example. After all the advancement in guns, it still rules the roost and it will be still ruling the roost in 2080.
Does not make it okay for projects to be mismanaged. The whole point of the projects, at least some of them was to a have a mediocre system which was home made and cheap to free up money for expensive purchases from abroad.
Well, if US can digest Chinese being near to Pakistani F-16... I guess anything is possible.
Yes, you see them wanting to give us the latest in technology now. And strapping an engine on is not like changing shoes...
 
Does not make it okay for projects to be mismanaged. The whole point of the projects, at least some of them was to a have a mediocre system which was home made and cheap to free up money for expensive purchases from abroad.

Read my post : #17
I am as pessimistic about Indian jet engines as it is humanly possible and for good reasons. Indian research is more of a starry-eyed fantasy which disregards our complete lack of a sophisticated production capabilities. What we need is a AK-47 of Jet Engine --if that is even possible--; something that Indian current production capabilities can mass produce rather than the most exotic jet engine ever conceived .

BTW, India private sector knows these realities. Which is why they produce Tata Nano kind of cars with engines designed for longevity and ease of production rather than greatest performance.

Yes, you see them wanting to give us the latest in technology now. And strapping an engine on is not like changing shoes...
Russia is no US. They can not afford to lose India as a customer, especially when China is moving out of their order books very fast.
 
What we need is a AK-47 of Jet Engine --if that is even possible--
What your nation honestly needs is to kick out all the officials meant to decide requirements in the air force and army and replace them with the people from your navy. They are not bolstering the latest in everything, but they get stuff done. Now with a fleet ready they have the luxury of having what they want on it in terms of specifications in anti ship and SAM's etc.
But honestly the way they do things right now is too entertaining for anyone to wish it changes...
Russia is no US. They can not afford to lose India as a customer, especially when China is moving out of their order books very fast.
That is too optimistic a view to take. Few points here for me make it seem otherwise. The first and foremost reason is they are managing to retake some of the Middle East market and even managing to make new in roads.
Russia will not like other nations tinkering with their planes, and whatever you may believe, the French would have to get near a plane they are supposed to design an engine for.
Third, and honestly something I should not have to say, that is a very limited outlook which says they need us for now, let us deal with later, later.
Finally with the US making inroads into Indian markets, Russia knows from many markets that western goods are shiny and wrapped in pretty bows and irresistible to General's who decide what is needed for the armed forces. So they do not see the Indian market as they once used to, and the proof will be on the amount of bickering there will be on the 5th generation plane issue.
Anyway time will tell, but to look at it from a totally neutral point of view, things need to change otherwise the import bill will rise higher and higher.
 
What your nation honestly needs is to kick out all the officials meant to decide requirements in the air force and army and replace them with the people from your navy. They are not bolstering the latest in everything, but they get stuff done. Now with a fleet ready they have the luxury of having what they want on it in terms of specifications in anti ship and SAM's etc.
But honestly the way they do things right now is too entertaining for anyone to wish it changes...
There is a much general problem in India. That is of disconnect between Indian military production houses, Indian R&D centres and Indian forces. R&D folks want to swing their academic dongs without any regard for practicality of their research to enter in production, production houses are using manufacturing capabilities from 1950s or 60s and trying to produce a product with 90s R&D while forces want 2010s capability.

In the nutshell that is skeleton of Tejas project for you. Research folks went full retard to design, develop and produce a complete fighter jet in one go. Manufacturing folks didn't have capabilities to produce what R&D folks were designing. And forces? they just wanted to keep on adding whatever latest was coming in the news.

That is too optimistic a view to take. Few points here for me make it seem otherwise. The first and foremost reason is they are managing to retake some of the Middle East market and even managing to make new in roads.
Russia will not like other nations tinkering with their planes, and whatever you may believe, the French would have to get near a plane they are supposed to design an engine for.
Third, and honestly something I should not have to say, that is a very limited outlook which says they need us for now, let us deal with later, later.
Finally with the US making inroads into Indian markets, Russia knows from many markets that western goods are shiny and wrapped in pretty bows and irresistible to General's who decide what is needed for the armed forces. So they do not see the Indian market as they once used to, and the proof will be on the amount of bickering there will be on the 5th generation plane issue.
Anyway time will tell, but to look at it from a totally neutral point of view, things need to change otherwise the import bill will rise higher and higher.
When you have an ill-reputation of being the largest importer of weapons, you get some privileges too. Like shooing Russians away from MMRCA and they still keep coming back to us to sell their Mig-35. Again and again and again.
 
When you have an ill-reputation of being the largest importer of weapons, you get some privileges too. Like shooing Russians away from MMRCA and they still keep coming back to us to sell their Mig-35. Again and again and again.
the era of the Mig is coming to an end, but that is for another day. They will sell it anywhere they can, and too survive have been thrown a bone, i.e. money for a 5th generation concept. Let us see if they can do what Sukhoi did to them at one time....
 
Again?I thought it was a project for Smaller engine for LCA Class fighter.
Another engine Project with similar name?
What happened to the original?
 
can primitive India be able to make WWII standard piston engines yet? or should I say, are they capable of assemble a WWII era piston engine with directly imported foreign parts yet?`````to me this article is yet another joke from joke India :lol:
Seriously speaking, i don't think they can. :lol:
 
There is a clear pattern emerging if one cares to note. The technology wanted shifts every year, and the developers are always playing catch up. Whether it was the Tejas, the Arjun, or now this engine it is proudly said that we will make better then ever before. Maybe the French knock some sense into the DRDO or maybe they keep on skimming the Indians and their 'not good enough' mentality.
The assault rifle tender should have honestly made some people wake up in the Indian bureaucracy and if not there maybe in the government.
Well, an easy way to explain is this. A customer usually demands impossible things knowing little but atleast knowing what they need the product to do. After discussion with various experts the requirements change, not to mention the what is available in the store/country and what could be possible. So basically the Indian side issues request for information, based on that requirements change. The downside is that these talks, take a long time and usually transparent as everything is considered including budget. However when a higher power barges in, it'll speed up the process but rest assured when politicians get technical, there is double dealing or corruption involved, ie closed door agreements. Hardly happens with Indias large projects because of various overseeing authorities.
The Russians will not take kindly to the French being allowed that near their fighters. the engine is the heart of the plane and would reveal too much on the workings of the planes.
They don't think thats a valid point.
You know there is something called Lindy's effect in the lifetime/success of abstract ideas like technology. It means the future lifetime of any abstract idea like technology is determined/proportional to its past life. Take AK-47 for example. After all the advancement in guns, it still rules the roost and it will be still ruling the roost in 2080. Same is with planes etc. With all the hoo haa of Fifth generation, the world will still be dominated by F-16s / Su-27 design derivatives simply the most successful fighter around the block.
The personal rifle is rather inexpensive to operate compared to multi million dollar air frames. You do have point that F-16/ Flankers will be around for a long time but not the same line as the AK47 i'd think.
What your nation honestly needs is to kick out all the officials meant to decide requirements in the air force and army and replace them with the people from your navy. They are not bolstering the latest in everything, but they get stuff done. Now with a fleet ready they have the luxury of having what they want on it in terms of specifications in anti ship and SAM's etc.
But honestly the way they do things right now is too entertaining for anyone to wish it changes...
This is not the issue. The public sector controlled the defense manufacturing in India. The navy, used private/public shipyards who took risks. Change is happening but the technology that the public sector created will need to be handed over to responsible private players. So those 2 billionaires in India fighting for this right.
That is too optimistic a view to take. Few points here for me make it seem otherwise. The first and foremost reason is they are managing to retake some of the Middle East market and even managing to make new in roads.
Russia will not like other nations tinkering with their planes, and whatever you may believe, the French would have to get near a plane they are supposed to design an engine for.
This tinkering will not effect the weapons combat ability. The only things off limits is the radar for known reasons, and perhaps the chaff/flare launchers. But over all, this doesn't give them much. The Flanker is not longer cutting edge and never was. Its advantage comes from its long range hence the name Flanker. The aircraft that flanks enemies.
 
Everything in India is Indigenous....irrespective of the fact, you take help from big bro Russia or not

I think you mistook India for China... We we weren't the ones who hired soviet engineers & Russian design bureaus to design aircraft for us.

can primitive India be able to make WWII standard piston engines yet? or should I say, are they capable of assemble a WWII era piston engine with directly imported foreign parts yet?````

Why are you so stupid, Chini troll ?

We already manufactured AL-31 FP turbofans from raw materials.

Seriously speaking, i don't think they can. :lol:

Sure, says a retarded double ID troll who lies about Russian ToT in Indian fast breeder reactors.
 
Why are you so stupid, Chini troll ?

We already manufactured AL-31 FP turbofans from raw materials.



Sure, says a retarded double ID troll who lies about Russian ToT in Indian fast breeder reactors.
Dude dont reply to chini trolls they do deviate from the topic in every Indian related post.
 
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