Hot Pursuit to Eliminate Hafiz saeed, probablity and possible strategy

[Amaa'n]

If all i read in next Sic pages is bunch of wet dreams & Troll posts by Indian members or you, then get ready for a ' -1' Red rating

If american can do it (OBL killing), why couldn't we (indians) can do so. The supporters of this logic are growing in india, among the masses, media and gov. Circles.

Using movies and novels the indian gov. has slowly made up the minds of their people to support any such adventure to eliminate hafiz saeed.

The success of any such attempt will give a great boast to modi sarkar, who has failed to come up to the expectations of its over whelming vote bank in last elections.

So following are the two possible way indian hawks might consider to eliminate hafiz saeed inside pakistani territory.

Option1: Murder attempt using local agents and proxies

This option seems difficult but not impossible. Unlike obl, Hafiz saeed is a free man, who moves freely in cities, give tv intervurss and even address open public gathering (such as in meenar pakistan).

It is possible to target him using a suicide bomber or a sniper in a public gathering.

Incase, the person who make such attempt is captured by hafiz saeed body guards and general public, it will makes no difference.
Indians wont mind sacrificing a person if he is successful in eliminating the prime indian target.


Option2: Precision Air strikes

Hafiz saeed mostly resides in JuD markaz or in his 2 or 3 houses in outskirts of lahore and mureedkay.
Unlike abbotabad which is deep inside Pakistan, the residences and JuD markaz of hafiz saeed are very well known places and very close to indian boarder [around 20 miles].

Targetting HS using Precision guided bombs can not be ruled out. A Sukhoi MKI at supercruise speed will reach the JuD markaz or HS residence in hardly 2 to 3 minutes. During peace time, the response time to counter intercept such enemy planes is more than 5 to 7 minutes.

With accurate intelligence
Of HS presence at his residence, IAF can carry out such attack, even if they lose their aircraft and pilot while returning home.

It isnt any film Or drama, but such actions can not be ruled out, considering the OBL episode in mind.

Conclusion:
1. After myanmar fiasco, hawks on indian side may consider any such adventure.

2. Incase of any such action, on the diplomatic front, India will take the stance that they have not attacked pakistan but have only targeted mumbai attack master mind who is on UN security council list of terrorist.

3. Only thing that is restricting indians from any such miss adventure is the unknown Pakistani response. Indians are not sure how pakistan will respond to all this, will pakistan give a similar response to India or make a judicial commission like OBL issue.


(Plz discuss the issue on merit, no trolling please)

 

[coffee_cup]

don't you think he should be arrested and convicted by pak for his past violent acts in India ?

Unfortunately by releasing extremist terrorists such as Aseemanand or giving free ticket to mass murderer like Modi and asking the prosecutors to go slow on other hindu extremists, India has already lost any moral grounds (if she had any) to ask this from Pakistan.

Besides, India has no conclusive evidence that can be produced before the court of law to convict Hafiz Saeed.

 

[Amaa'n]

Option1: Murder attempt using local agents and proxies

This option seems difficult but not impossible. Unlike obl, Hafiz saeed is a free man, who moves freely in cities, give tv intervurss and even address open public gathering (such as in meenar pakistan).

It is possible to target him using a suicide bomber or a sniper in a public gathering.

Incase, the person who make such attempt is captured by hafiz saeed body guards and general public, it will makes no difference.
Indians wont mind sacrificing a person if he is successful in eliminating the prime indian target.

I suggest you head back to the books and read ' what makes a Person / Kid to blow himself up' ? because I have my doubts over the reasons that Indian's for whatever reason will be willing to blow themselves up, regardless of the fact how big of a 'terrorist' Hafiz Saeed to them.
Coming back to your Proxy thing, then the major factor or player in proxy war is availability of local players or willingness of local players to participate, since all local organizations starting from BLA/BLF to AQ, TTP to LeJ have thing against Pakistani Govt & Pakistan Army, hence these people offer their support network without asking whom might be utilizing it.
Target killers from MQM or any other professionals have no network in Punjab......considering Hafiz Saeed himself is among the breed of Fundamentalist i have my doubts over anyone offering their support to assassinate him

Option2: Precision Air strikes

Hafiz saeed mostly resides in JuD markaz or in his 2 or 3 houses in outskirts of lahore and mureedkay.
Unlike abbotabad which is deep inside Pakistan, the residences and JuD markaz of hafiz saeed are very well known places and very close to indian boarder [around 20 miles].

Targetting HS using Precision guided bombs can not be ruled out. A Sukhoi MKI at supercruise speed will reach the JuD markaz or HS residence in hardly 2 to 3 minutes. During peace time, the response time to counter intercept such enemy planes is more than 5 to 7 minutes.

With accurate intelligence
Of HS presence at his residence, IAF can carry out such attack, even if they lose their aircraft and pilot while returning home.

It isnt any film Or drama, but such actions can not be ruled out, considering the OBL episode in mind.

obsolete BS, US had deployed additional resources and kept them on standby in case they had to fight there way out of Pakistan, at no point they were willing to get killed as a soft target....get your facts straight, so if Indians follow the same, I bought they will be willing to do that.....
Also comparing Western Border with Eastern, difference is we have additional resources deployed on Eastern border, monitoring the situation, so I Precision strike again is out of equation.....
End of the day,, the only possible way to get rid of Hafiz saeed is, come up with possible substantial evidence, present it in the court of law and use clear diplomatic channels for his conviction ...... Period

 

[Max Pain]

pakistan neither have capabilities to launch assault inside india. They tried in 71 but miserably failed no chance Pakistan have to surpassing formidable air defense and 24X7 surveillance of india

its 2015.
i wouldnt be so sure.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Option 1: I wonder if any Indian got balls to wear a suicide jacket and blow himself up, so option 1 failed.
Option 2: In dreams, yes, an Indian "Brave" pilot super-cruises aircraft into Pakistani air and bombs HS. But, oh, wait, we are celebrating September 6 within next few days. It reminds me of MM Alam who destroyed 5 IAF planes in no time. Now with better air defense systems then ever, oh my my, second option is also failed.

option 3 : use pakistani criminals or hitmen to get the job done

option 4 : give CIA coordinates and get the job done by there drones or US "defnce contractors like black water"

option 5 : give afgahnistani secret service the job and get it done

 

[HariPrasad]

i think india should kill HS PA will not react but do you forget all the mujahid in jamat u dawa what they will do to indian army

It will not be worse that what TTP does to Pakistani army.

 

[janu.bravo]

pakistan neither have capabilities to launch assault inside india. They tried in 71 but miserably failed no chance Pakistan have to surpassing formidable air defense and 24X7 surveillance of india

As if we don't have anything for air defence and surveillance

 

[HariPrasad]

India is in Superiority Complex.. Some thing India don't know until he will do some thing silly..

Your statement remind me the quote of Tarak fatah. Char Char war harne ke bad bhi pakistani sochata hai ke ek musalman Das hinduo ko mar sakta hai. Not learning anything from history and wishfull thinking are your quality which has not changed since 1947.

 

[xyxmt]

i don;t think bro this will happen, but if this happened Pakistan can can escalate it by targeting many pints in borders

well I've been hearing about this possibility since I was in middle school, now I tell my grand kids about this possibility. eventually Hafiz saeed will die his natural death like any other immortal and then and only then India can claim responsibility of his death.

 

[Spectre]

I suggest you head back to the books and read ' what makes a Person / Kid to blow himself up' ? because I have my doubts over the reasons that Indian's for whatever reason will be willing to blow themselves up, regardless of the fact how big of a 'terrorist' Hafiz Saeed to them.
Coming back to your Proxy thing, then the major factor or player in proxy war is availability of local players or willingness of local players to participate, since all local organizations starting from BLA/BLF to AQ, TTP to LeJ have thing against Pakistani Govt & Pakistan Army, hence these people offer their support network without asking whom might be utilizing it.
Target killers from MQM or any other professionals have no network in Punjab......considering Hafiz Saeed himself is among the breed of Fundamentalist i have my doubts over anyone offering their support to assassinate him


obsolete BS, US had deployed additional resources and kept them on standby in case they had to fight there way out of Pakistan, at no point they were willing to get killed as a soft target....get your facts straight, so if Indians follow the same, I bought they will be willing to do that.....
Also comparing Western Border with Eastern, difference is we have additional resources deployed on Eastern border, monitoring the situation, so I Precision strike again is out of equation.....
End of the day,, the only possible way to get rid of Hafiz saeed is, come up with possible substantial evidence, present it in the court of law and use clear diplomatic channels for his conviction ...... Period

Extremely well argued, specially your conclusion.

That said I would like to know your personal opinion on Hafiz Saeed and Let on following:

1. Are they innocent of involvement direct/indirect in heinous crimes like Mumbai Attacks?

2. Will any evidence provided by India be considered enough seeing as it has negative connotation on Pakistan which has been known to accommodate them?

3. What can be done to make courts/prosecutors immune from threat to their life seeing as prosecutors and judges are known to have received death threats and as I far as i can recall someone was assassinated too.


P.S. These are sincere questions not intended in anyway to cast aspersions on Pakistan, just an effort to understand your PoV

Regards

 

[Khurram2349]

In case India ever try to do mistake of hot pursuit within Pakistan then Pakistan has option to immediately attack and destroy all those 23 so called Indian consulates within Afghanistan which are breeding homes of terrorists in Pakistan. We will be doing great service to our people and take revenge of over 60,000 innocent Pakistanis who died as a result of these !

Besides these 23 consulates I am sure our Military have some more targets within India and can do tit for tat response !

So Indians ! Come and see what you get back in return !!!!!

 

[Neutron]

Yes I remember last year when we interrogated one RAW agent. He was planing to kill Hafiz Saeed and one professor of Punjab University. he carried out complete reconnaissance of the target. And he met his fate. Case closed.

 

[I M Sikander]

Nope, it won't be war... It will bring peace.. Pakistani Politician wants these animal dead. But due to Pakistani Fauj, they are scared...

If Indian will kill terrorist Saeed, Pakistani Politicians will be more than happy.

Who told you these nonsense stories.
JuD and HS are like hot cake for politicians, as they have a sizeable vote bank with them.

 

[I M Sikander]

no Sir, "terrorist Haffez Saeed " must die. What if he will be killed inside Indian territory? He will be killed in Kashmir..

Why would he go to indian occupied Kashmir, his boys are already there and fu.......king indian army.

 

[I M Sikander]

Sooner you will see the Action.. "terrorist of Pakistan" are afraid now. They have gone hiding..

Non of them are hiding. Lakhvi, hafiz saeed and all other are living freely and this is what hurt the indians butts the most.