Honouring faith and secularism in the armed forces :Men who fight together must pray together

[Mentee]

who decides the contradiction in Quranic verses ?

That's a straw man's argument. Quranic letters are eternal and no cleric has the authority to alter those words

 

[wiseone2]

That's a straw man's argument. Quranic letters are eternal and no cleric has the authority to alter those words

human beings interpret words

USA and Canada have Constitutions. Judges interpret them in a court of law.

 

[Mentee]

In the end, like I said, it is best to leave it to the higher authority rather than passing judgement on other people ourselves.

People can explain why and so on to Allah in judgement day...who is anyone to pass judgement before that given no harm is coming to anyone else? (which is where human intervention and judgement...i.e laws of society comes in).

The spiritual judgement is something to be left to the spiritual world, not human world.

There are Divine laws in this regard explicitly forbidding Muslims , not to commit any act of worshiping a pagan deity and some matters are reserved for the Muslims to decide -----

human beings interpret words

USA and Canada have Constitutions. Judges interpret them in a court of law.

When it is clearly mentioned in the Qur'an then what is there to interpret ?

 

[wiseone2]

There are Divine laws in this regard explicitly forbidding Muslims , not to commit any act of worshiping a pagan deity and some matters are reserved for the Muslims to decide -----

Islam is practiced differently in different societies
You might not like it. That is reality

If Pakistanis think they can impose their brand of Islam on other societies it is not happening
Saudis with their oil wealth cannot change. you do not have a prayer.

 

[Mentee]

Islam is practiced differently in different societies
You might not like it. That is reality

If Pakistanis think they can impose their brand of Islam on other societies it is not happening
Saudis with their oil wealth cannot change. you do not have a prayer.

Muslims throughout the world follow 5 fiqahs aka the works of 5 eminent jurists, and these juristic works deal with private and state governance related matters in accordance with the Islamic rules. No one disputes the 5 Pillars of Islam. And not worshipping and associating anything with Allah is the primary Pillar . Tag as many Shia Sunni and Wahabi posters and ask them if it is allowed in Islam to worship any pagan deity without any reasonable threat to life. Btw Saudis follow Hanbli school of thought where as Pakistanis follow Hanfi school of thought.

Edit: Feeling sad for you that you will not get brownies from Iranian members @2800 @Zarvan @HAKIKAT

 

[Thorough Pro]

The next step in hinduization of bharat, now forcefully convert all minorities in the defence forces or expel them so that only hindus remain in service. well done bharat.

October 11,
Syed Ata Hasnain
(Syed Ata Hasnain is a retired Lieutenant General in the Indian Army.)

In preventing Nawazuddin Siddiqui from acting in a Ramlila in Muzaffarnagar, the Shiv Sena’s local leader probably thought he would score some popularity. The exact opposite occurred. To a short tweet put out by me recounting the fact that as Muslims, both my spouse and i invariably led the puja of our army unit in its temple every other Sunday, i received over 10,000 responses welcoming our action, suggesting that the country stands essentially secular, with people who supported my tweet being from all faiths and all walks of life and representing a fairly good sample of India.

But very few Indians know how faith is handled within the armed forces, the one institution where Indian secularism is feted and followed to the tee, something to emulate.

Faith is extremely important for soldiers. In a profession where life hangs by a thread people tend to repose greater trust in God than almost any other profession. I have witnessed troops being launched into major operations and hours before that a personal temple comes up among stones, brush wood or ice. Families of servicemen have to repose even greater trust in religion and connect with God as the breadwinner’s life is at stake.

There is an implicit convention that the faith of the troops becomes the faith of the officer. He may follow any belief at home but with troops and in field areas the unit’s faith is his faith. In peace stations the spouse follows her husband as a part of the bonding exercise so important in the profession. Men who fight together must pray together.

There are units of the army which are single class and single faith. For example in the Sikh Regiment, a gurdwara is authorised to each unit and a granthi too forms a part of the unit. There may be a few non-Sikhs among clerks or tradesmen and many officers may be from other faiths. These personnel will all follow the Sikh tradition in faith but equally a good Sikh unit will place symbols of other faiths alongside their own – photos of Mecca and Medina, of Lord Siva or Lord Krishna, a cross or a Bible.

There are pure Hindu units and in fact majority are that; all the above would equally apply to them. There are mixed units too. A unit could have a Muslim company, all other companies being Hindu with a sprinkling of Christians and Buddhists along with more Sikhs. Such a unit is bound to have a formal Sarv Dharam Sthal or a place for worship for each faith but all under one roof with a display of flags of all four faiths.

The Jammu & Kashmir Light Infantry which has its training centre at Srinagar comprises Dogras, Sikhs and Muslims in near equal segments. It follows the unique Mandir Masjid Gurdwara (MMG) concept, all under one roof, and is extremely proud of that.

Personally, i come from a regiment which is purely Hindu and has a regimental deity in Lord Badri Vishal, the personification of Lord Vishnu at the Badrinath shrine. As the head of the regiment i have invoked the blessings of Lord Badri Vishal by personally travelling to the shrine many times for the opening puja of the season after winter. As a senior commander in Kashmir some of my most satisfying moments were those when i did a round robin of all gurdwaras of the units on Guru Purab, ending with langar with the unit usually deployed in the most difficult area.

Once in a Muslim Grenadiers unit, its Hindu company commander put me to shame when i saw that he was keeping all 30 rozas with his men and even reading all five namaz which he knew perfectly.

And when my fauji father was questioned during Partition about his choice of armies, he said: “While the nation formed on basis of faith will celebrate now but won’t last forever, the nation formed on basis of respect for every faith will have a difficult beginning but will always celebrate.” He remained with the Indian Army and rose to be its first Muslim GOC. When India has doubts about itself and the future course of inter faith relations it should just turn to its army for inspiration; there nothing changes, it only becomes better.

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime...es-men-who-fight-together-must-pray-together/

 

[Nilgiri]

there are Muslims who consider Hinduism people of the book. I forgot the correct term. this would make Hinduism on par with Judaism and Christianity.

Dara Shikoh (Aurangzeb elder brother and heir to Shah Jahan) was of the belief that Upanishads were the hidden book referenced in Islam as "Kitab al-Maknun"

 

[wiseone2]

Muslims throughout the world follow 5 fiqahs aka the works of 5 eminent jurists, and these juristic works deal with private and state governance related matters in accordance with the Islamic rules. No one disputes the 5 Pillars of Islam. And not worshipping and associating anything with Allah is the primary Pillar . Tag as many Shia Sunni and Wahabi posters and ask them if it is allowed in Islam to worship any pagan deity without any reasonable threat to life. Btw Saudis follow Hanbli school of thought where as Pakistanis follow Hanfi school of thought.

Edit: Feeling sad for you that you will not get brownies from Iranian members @2800 @Zarvan @HAKIKAT

You said there is nothing to interpret in Islam. Yet you want five jurists. For what ??

Your whole line of reasoning is flawed. If I follow four out of five pillars what are going to do ? declare me as non-Muslim

 

[Mentee]

You said there is nothing to interpret in Islam. Yet you want five jurists. For what ??

Your whole line of reasoning is flawed. If I follow four out of five pillars what are going to do ? declare me as non-Muslim

You don't like "Pakistani brand of Islam" then go consult some Muslim scholar in India------- btw how would you feel if a Muslim starts to interpret Geeta and Vydas and come with a conclusion that Hindus are not following true Hindusim?

 

[TylerDurden07]

pakistanis have no culture. they suffer from identity crisis. Turks, Arabs,Bangladeshi,Iranians, muslims have their own culture,language but pakis have no culture they all copy from India(language,cuisine,dress,music,etc)

 

[Mentee]

pakistanis have no culture. they suffer from identity crisis. Turks, Arabs,Bangladeshi,Iranians, muslims have their own culture,language but pakis have no culture they all copy from India(language,cuisine,dress,music,etc)

Another idlii sambar expert on Pakistan spotted!

 

[Nilgiri]

btw how would you feel if a Muslim starts to interpret Geeta and Vydas and come with a conclusion that Hindus are not following true Hindusim?

Thats completely fine given the Vedas have the Nasadiya Sukta which clearly says absolutely everything can be questioned in pursuit of truth....given that we cannot be absolutely certain of anything.

This is fundamentally why there is no core dogma in Hinduism. It is rather a collection of various religions, philosophies and cultures.

 

[Mentee]

Thats completely fine given the Vedas have the Nasadiya Sukta which clearly says absolutely everything can be questioned in pursuit of truth....given that we cannot be absolutely certain of anything.

This is fundamentally why there is no core dogma in Hinduism. It is rather a collection of various religions, philosophies and cultures.

On spot! That's what make Islam unique. It does not change its core principles just to patronize a certain group of people . So accept it as whole or simply walk away.

also pakis become jealous after they see largely successful Indian muslims coz it will rubbish their false two-nation theory. so they search for one-off incidents like that beef-murder/Gujrat riots. but broadly they are unable to see the larger picture that Indian muslims are more successful than their **** counterpart. as for example Jinnah was a shia now ASWJ/LeJ kill shias mercilessly almost daily. Muhajirs in khi(MQM- ppl who went from India to pak) almost daily targeted.

we have idli-sambhar/dosa as South Indian cuisine. what special cuisine does Pakistan have?

i see in EUrope/USA Pakistanis identify themselves as Indians. plus in restaurants they earn by selling Indian cuisine.

Grow a pair and directly quote me. Put one thing in your brain that a Pakistani would be the last person on God's earth which would get jealous of an indian As for the rest of your post , its all made up of insecure bakvas , so not worth replying------

 

[TylerDurden07]

i dont know how to quote a person as i m new member. but yes i have obseved Pakistanis are very insecure and jealous of Indians success.

 

[wiseone2]

You don't like "Pakistani brand of Islam" then go consult some Muslim scholar in India------- btw how would you feel if a Muslim starts to interpret Geeta and Vydas and come with a conclusion that Hindus are not following true Hindusim?

no scholar has the right to classify someone as non-Muslim