Hong Kong Protest Against Extradition Proposal Draws Hundreds of Thousands

[JSCh]

Come on, there are so many countries with no extradition treaty with each other. You think it's so easy to go scot-free? You can always make a special request to that country where the fugitive is hiding, but of course that country may reject.

Example in Singapore.
https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/extradition-act-commit-crime-flee-singapore/



Maybe. Tsai's popularity suddenly shot up and won her party's primaries.

It reminds me of the Taiwanese singer flag incident in the elections back in 2016.

I am not sure, but I think the way the law is set up in HK, if it is any where from China, the extradition is a automatic NO. Therefore if it is from Mainland, Taiwan or Macao, there could be no extradition.

Another thing to consider,

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chin...al-production-fai-slump.618467/#post-11457813

Kyle Bass, the China bear, is making a call for shorting HK dollar.

Remember the attack on Thai Baht in the 1997 Asian financial crisis by Soros, on 2 July 97, one day after HK handover?

An unstable HK would cause capital flight, a financial crisis would ruin HK, but they can profit by shorting HK dollar.

HK monetary authority obviously know this, therefore,

One-month HKD HIBOR rises to 2.42%, highest since October 2008
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And if this happen at the same times, it would cause problem for HK financial stability,

U.S. warns extradition law changes may jeopardize Hong Kong's special status - Reuters​

I don't know what those HK protester is thinking, but if things go wrong, it is HK people that is going to suffer the most.

 

[Mista]

I am not sure, but I think the way the law is set up in HK, if it is any where from China, the extradition is a automatic NO. Therefore if it is from Mainland, Taiwan or Macao, there could be no extradition.

What do you mean by automatic 'no'? Most countries don't have extradition treaty with each other. Does that mean that international criminals can easily go away scot-free?

Anyway the murder issue in Taiwan is obviously a distraction and harping on this issue adds no enlightenment to the debate.
明修栈道，暗度陈仓的道理你会不懂吗？

The protest is the largest since 1997, larger than those democracy or anti-GST protest.

Do you think so many HKers are 'brainwashed' and can't see where their interest lies, especially after the disappearance of booksellers in the Causeway Bay?

Do you think Carrie Lam is really so stupid to pay such a heavy political price and damage HK's rule-of-law reputation, just to extradite some criminals? If she has the political capital, why not use them for something more constructive like ramping up the housing supply?

 

[JSCh]

What do you mean by automatic 'no'? Most countries don't have extradition treaty with each other. Does that mean that international criminals can easily go away scot-free?

Anyway the murder issue in Taiwan is obviously a distraction and harping on this issue adds no enlightenment to the debate.
明修栈道，暗度陈仓的道理你会不懂吗？

The protest is the largest since 1997, larger than those democracy or anti-GST protest.

Do you think so many HKers are 'brainwashed' and can't see where their interest lies, especially after the disappearance of booksellers in the Causeway Bay?

Do you think Carrie Lam is really so stupid to pay such a heavy political price and damage HK's rule-of-law reputation, just to extradite some criminals? If she has the political capital, why not use them for something more constructive like ramping up the housing supply?

Obviously there is a problem with sending criminal to other places in China, otherwise there is no need for the law.

Yes, I do think the HK protester are rather unwise and resort to political fear mongering. Even if China is what they imagine to be, the effect of the extradition law would not be big, since it is done on case by case. They are totally exaggerating what China can do with the extradition law. China has extradition law with countries like Singapore, France, Spain etc. The decision whether to extradite someone still lies in HK.

The bookseller IIRC is someone that hit and run a 20+ years old undergrad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gui_Minhai#Drunk_driving_incident

Drunk driving incident[edit]
In December 2003, Gui was involved in a drink-driving incident in Ningbo in which a 23-year-old girl was killed while crossing the road.[28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35][36] The victim's mother disagreed with the police investigation report that her daughter should bear secondary responsibility for not paying attention to traffic. This was because the mother had heard from witnesses that the car had been speeding. The mother, with the help of her son and a driver, then risked their lives to experiment for 10 days, demonstrating that the driving speed had to exceed 110 km/h for the accident to occur. She appealed to the Zhejiang Provincial Public Security Department, which upon re-examination concluded that Gui should bear full responsibility for the incident in May 2004. Her experiment was widely reported in the Chinese media. The victim's parents later filed a civil lawsuit against Gui for compensation.[37][38][39]

The Ningbo Municipal Intermediate People's Court ruled the following August that Gui had committed a crime, for which Gui received a two-year suspended jail term.[40][33][41][42] In October 2004, Gui claimed that his passport was lost, and received a new passport from Consulate General of Sweden in Shanghai. After receiving the new passport, he used a counterfeit ID, bypassed Yunnan border control,[43] and departed for Germany, thereby violating his probation terms.[32][44] After leaving China in 2004, he worked for a German affiliate of Nordpool Consulting.[45]

In August 2006, his two-year suspended jail term became two-year jail sentence.[46]

I cannot imagine someone who drink drive and kill a daughter, that the parent has raise and put through university. Agree to a 100K RMB compensation in order to get a commuted sentence. The bookseller is not poor and yet he still decide to run away.

What kind of scumbag would do a thing like that !!!!

It is not proven that he went to China involuntary, but even if it is true, what is to stop China doing it again. Therefore I find the logic problematic, China can do it with or without the extradition law, if it really want to.

Carrie Lam obviously did it for the good of HK because that is part of her job.

I find it strange that you cannot understand the reason for the need of the extradition law.

 

[bbccdd1470]

It is not proven that he went to China involuntary, but even if it is true, what is to stop China doing it again.

I think this is called "extraordinary rendition", Khalid El-Masri was one of the examples.

Also I think I was wrong about the special request, and this is what I found and feel free to read it.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/02/...arm-citys-judicial-protections-say-democrats/

 

[Kompromat]

CIA must be smirking right now.

 

[Mista]

Obviously there is a problem with sending criminal to other places in China, otherwise there is no need for the law.

Yes, I do think the HK protester are rather unwise and resort to political fear mongering. Even if China is what they imagine to be, the effect of the extradition law would not be big, since it is done on case by case. They are totally exaggerating what China can do with the extradition law. China has extradition law with countries like Singapore, France, Spain etc. The decision whether to extradite someone still lies in HK.

The bookseller IIRC is someone that hit and run a 20+ years old undergrad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gui_Minhai#Drunk_driving_incident
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I cannot imagine someone who drink drive and kill a daughter, that the parent has raise and put through university. Agree to a 100K RMB compensation in order to get a commuted sentence. The bookseller is not poor and yet he still decide to run away.

What kind of scumbag would do a thing like that !!!!

It is not proven that he went to China involuntary, but even if it is true, what is to stop China doing it again. Therefore I find the logic problematic, China can do it with or without the extradition law, if it really want to.

Carrie Lam obviously did it for the good of HK because that is part of her job.

I find it strange that you cannot understand the reason for the need of the extradition law.

Hah. HK is a part of China and HKers have no trust in the mainland's judicial independence and whether their executive/judicial power can act independently of Beijing.

That's the crux of the issue; the lack of trust of mainland China in dealing with political dissent. It's not about extraditing some murderers in which the argument is framed. Obviously any sane person would support extraditing murderers, so why so many turn up for the protest? They are evil? They are 'brainwashed' and 'unwise'?

Carrie Lam obviously did it for the good of HK because that is part of her job.

When some of the rich and banks have already moved their capital abroad because they believe the rule of law will be compromised? You mean Carrie, as the CE of HK, doesn't know that would happen?

If she really wants for the good of HK, why not use the same political capital to do something constructive to improve the lives of HKers? Implement GST and reduce reliance on property related revenue? Or increase the housing supply?

What immense benefit does HK have from an extradition treaty in comparison, so much that she would rather put her political capital here?

 

[Viva_Viet]

Tens of thousands rally against extradition bill, demand Hong Kong leader's resignation

Latest update : 16/06/2019

Article text by NEWS WIRES

Tens of thousands turned out to rally on Sunday demanding the full retraction of an extradition bill that prompted the largest protests in decades, with many calling for the resignation of Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam.

Tens of thousands of Hong Kong residents, mostly in black, jammed the city's streets Sunday, demanding an end to a proposed extradition bill and the resignation of the city's top leader.

The crowds, walking slowly and shouting "withdraw" and "resign," spilled into the streets from downtown Victoria Park and began marching toward the Central district where the government headquarters is located.

The demonstrators carried banners demanding that Chief Executive Carrie Lam resign and drop the legislation completely instead of just suspending it as she announced Saturday.

"Our demands are simple. Carrie Lam must leave office, the extradition law must be withdrawn and the police must apologize for using extreme violence against their own people," said bank worker John Chow as he marched with a group of his friends.

"And we will continue," he said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fr...demand-hong-kong-leader-steps-down-carrie-lam

Next step, Xi must resign

And Chiang kai-shek is the only True WW2 hero, not Mao

 

[JSCh]

Hah. HK is a part of China and HKers have no trust in the mainland's judicial independence and whether their executive/judicial power can act independently of Beijing.

That's the crux of the issue; the lack of trust of mainland China in dealing with political dissent. It's not about extraditing some murderers in which the argument is framed. Obviously any sane person would support extraditing murderers, so why so many turn up for the protest? They are evil? They are 'brainwashed' and 'unwise'?



When some of the rich and banks have already moved their capital abroad because they believe the rule of law will be compromised? You mean Carrie, as the CE of HK, doesn't know that would happen?

If she really wants for the good of HK, why not use the same political capital to do something constructive to improve the lives of HKers? Implement GST and reduce reliance on property related revenue? Or increase the housing supply?

What immense benefit does HK have from an extradition treaty in comparison, so much that she would rather put her political capital here?

From mainland point of view, yes, they are brainwashed and unwise.

If you do not do thing that harm China interest, why would you be afraid?

Mutual respect mean that China do not interfere in the running and internal affair of HK. So why HK insist on harboring element that harm the interest of China? Take the bookseller for eg., he is Swedish, not Hker, he did something bad in China, why would HKer has problem in China wanting justice to be done?

You see, if someone did something bad to somebody, that somebody would respond by self defence. That is not something that is very hard to understand, is it?

China so far had NEVER done anything harmful to HK.

Why then, it seem like somehow HKer had imagine that China is constantly looking to harm them. That really do not make any sense.

HK is a part of China, the fate of HK and China is bind together. HK could get away with a lot of thing because of that, it would be different if it is another country that did the same. So why can't HK work with China that make sure the interest of both is taken care of?

 

[Viva_Viet]

HK is a part of China, the fate of HK and China is bind together. HK could get away with a lot of thing because of that, it would be different if it is another country that did the same. So why can't HK work with China that make sure the interest of both is taken care of?

As I know, many HKers and their families were the victim of Mao's culture revolt, they lost their houses, lost their lands and had to flee to HK, so, of course they dislike CPC. They wanna overthrow Xi and CPC to get back their lands, their house now.

And today, wt help from CIA, they r shouting on the street " withdraw", " resign" and try to overthrow Carrie Lam first.

 

[JSCh]

As I know, many HKers and their families were the victim of Mao's culture revolt, they lost their houses, lost their lands and had to flee to HK, so, of course they dislike CPC. They wanna overthrow Xi and CPC to get back their lands, their house now.

And today, wt help from CIA, they r shouting on the street " withdraw", " resign" and try to overthrow Carrie Lam first.

There are probably some like your described that utterly hate CPC, but I don't think they are majority.

I can see that most of the protesters are young people in their twenties.

 

[Rasengan]

The people of Hong Kong need to relax instead of running around like headless chickens. Hong Kong belongs to China eventually the two systems and one country will dissolve by 2049. Then Hong Kong will be like any other city in China and those who break the rules will be punished severely. The people of Hong Kong back in the 90s were crying how the Communists were going to kill them when Britain was going to hand over the island in 1997. Many people sold their properties and some businesses took this opportunity to buy them at a fraction of the costs.

 

[Viva_Viet]

There are probably some like your described that utterly hate CPC, but I don't think they are majority.

I can see that most of the protesters are young people in their twenties.

Young HK ppl were taught to hate CPC by their parents, their Christian priests.

Thats why educationis very important, when u get the wrong education, u will become extremist.

 

[Rasengan]

There are probably some like your described that utterly hate CPC, but I don't think they are majority.

I can see that most of the protesters are young people in their twenties.

Unfortunately, brother, he is speaking the truth. Many Hong Kong people hate the CPC and they are arrogant looking down at the mainlanders. My best friend (Chinese) gave me a good example. If you go shopping in Hong Kong and they know you're a mainlander then they won't serve you properly and will give you attitude. This is quite common. Many Hong Kong people still have it inside their heads that the mainlanders are just uneducated farmers.

 

[Mamadouso]

It is shocking China let it get this far. It will be very hard for the authorities to control this now, anything that China does will bring out millions in to the streets. Hong Kong younger generation seem to hate Chinese system.

They will have another Taiwan type situation there now.

 

[bbccdd1470]

I don't know if PDF allows me to post a link, but this link does provide different perspective than some of the mainstream media:
The Chinese part reports that a foriegn reporter described what was actually happening at the day of riot in his facebook without bias due to mainstream constantly boardcasting edited videos that focused on Police's violence.

https://silentmajority.hk/articles/1002690