HISTORY: THE FALL OF DHAKA FROM BIHARI EYES

[Tom M]

From my mother's side one of my cousin's grand father and his brothers had businesses in East pakistan.

They were settled somewhere near kaptai dam/lake area.

One time after imposition of martial law they were requested to come to police station by the EPR/local police. They were told to bring their arms and that the EPR/local police will "protect" them.

They went to the police station. The police/muktis/EPR tortured and killed them. One of the brothers was outside and wasn't caught. He escaped and jumped into nearby river.

He then sought refuge with a childhood friend and then hid in the jungles.

A bihari who knew the family helped him escape to UAE.

He was the only survivor who then came back to Pakistan after surviving this ordeal.

Sad. But just like our ruling government instigated the current wave of civil unrest in India. Who and what is the reason which instigated the violence in East Pakistan ?? I think the immediate reason for that was "Operation Searchlight".

BD soldiers used to kill their officers and rape their wives while shouting,
“Soldiers are brothers to one another
We need the blood of the officers”

Most of the hardcore Mukti Bahini members got engaged in looting, killing etc. during Mujib’s rule. He killed 40K of them. After his fall in a coup there were at least two dozens of coups and counter coups in BD Army. And, thousands and thousands of officers and soldiers got killed...

In one instance, a battalion of BD soldiers, who rebelled against Pak in 1971 and fled to India to fight against Pak, got involved in a coup attempt during President Ziaur Rehman’s rule. The entire battalion was put inside a field, and shelled and machine gunned to death by tanks...

Most of the most prominent Mukti Bahini officers, who were ex Pak Army officers, killed one another in the most brutal manner...

And do you have any proof to support these claims. Or are they yet another fragment of imagination as usual ??

 

[pakpride00090]

Is there a point discussing something if you willfully ignore the point?

There are always repercussions to war. Bengali traitors were called razakars and they were punished, as were Biharis. The difference is that we had a national reconciliation soon afterwards. On the other hand, If the Mukti bahini had lost the war, the Pak army would have been decimated them and their families too - you did that even when you hadn't won.

Pakistan has been in a constant state of war. And if we were with you so would Bangladesh. I can imagine who the war would cost more.

So all in all what happened was the best thing for all involved, and the fate of Biharis was inevitable. It's funny that they are treated with dignity as citizens by the BD Gov today, whereas their spiritual father has no time for them at all.

No we did not and I wish that 3 million figure was real.

Niazi was a coward. The lower ranks fought , Niazi gave up too soon. Had he died there , that would have been more honorable.

Our spiritual father was long dead. Biharis were readily accepted as were bengalis but it was racist PPP government who stopped the inflow. The same PPP , whose founder was Bhutto.

Sad. But just like our ruling government instigated the current wave of civil unrest in India. Who and what is the reason which instigated the violence in East Pakistan ?? I think the immediate reason for that was "Operation Searchlight".

Incorrect.
Operation search light happened because of civil unrest and killings by Bengali population. It was Mujeeb who provoked bengali population against Pakistan. It is well documented in history books that , Mujeeb on one hand was negotiating to become PM and on the other hand was asking People to agitate.

 

[Zulfiqar]

Sad. But just like our ruling government instigated the current wave of civil unrest in India. Who and what is the reason which instigated the violence in East Pakistan ?? I think the immediate reason for that was "Operation Searchlight".

Incorrect, unrest happened before that.

Things were already tense before that and both bhutto/his ilk and mujeeb/his ilk were equally responsible.

 

[Sehnsucht]

No we did not and I wish that 3 million figure was real.

If you're so disappointed that 3 million of us wasn't butchered, you should give it another shot. See how it turns out for you.Hope you'll be on the frontline to show other soldiers how to kill a shitload of vukha nanga Bengalis.

Niazi was a coward. The lower ranks fought , Niazi gave up too soon.

You're just as much of a coward for barking in an anonymous forum.Have you ever fought in an war? Do you have any idea about the situation? Niazi was a stupid no doubt, but surrendaring was the first sensible thing he did.Had he continued to fight, none of your soldiers would have been able to return.
You keyboard warriors have zero idea about how wars work & an easily call them cowards.But if you were in the situation, bet you'd have soiled your pants.

And do you have any proof to support these claims. Or are they yet another fragment of imagination as usual ??

Pulling all these out of his rear.Treat his posts as background noises.Nothing more than a clown.

 

[pakpride00090]

If you're so disappointed that 3 million of us wasn't butchered, you should give it another shot. See how it turns out for you.Hope you'll be on the frontline to show other soldiers how to kill a shitload of vukha nanga Bengalis.


You're just as much of a coward for barking in an anonymous forum.Have you ever fought in an war? Do you have any idea about the situation? Niazi was a stupid no doubt, but surrendaring was the first sensible thing he did.Had he continued to fight, none of your soldiers would have been able to return.
You keyboard warriors have zero idea about how wars work & an easily call them cowards.But if you were in the situation, bet you'd have soiled your pants.


Pulling all these out of his rear.Treat his posts as background noises.Nothing more than a clown.

35 K soliders killing 3 million would have been an excellent feat. Too bad , we won't get such opportunity in near future.

Niazi and all of the soldiers should have died while killing as many bengalis as they could. It is such a travesty that they didn't do as much killing. They didn't even rape. At least then , you would have had good fast bowlers and people having height 6ft 2in and above

 

[Sehnsucht]

35 K soliders killing 3 million would have been an excellent feat. Too bad , we won't get such opportunity in near future.

Niazi and all of the soldiers should have died while killing as many bengalis as they could. It is such a travesty that they didn't do as much killing. They didn't even rape. At least then , you would have had good fast bowlers and people having height 6ft 2in and above

There.Your true feelings have been revealed.You're a sanghi masquerading as a Pakistani, aren't you? Hence the obsession with rape & killing of Muslims.Also why you celebrate the killings of Pakistani Muslims.
Of course, I expect nothing more from a gutter trash like you.Here, let me expose your real face to the sane members of this forum.

 

[pakpride00090]

There.Your true feelings have been revealed.You're a sanghi masquerading as a Pakistani, aren't you? Hence the obsession with rape & killing of Muslims.Also why you celebrate the killings of Pakistani Muslims.
Of course, I expect nothing more from a gutter trash like you.Here, let me expose your real face to the sane members of this forum.

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Ofcourse you are going to get replies in such way when you deliberately do propaganda. Why are you getting triggered ? You should be happy that Niazi failed to kill 3 million and rape thousands as evidenced by bengali propaganda.

Also , the second post you quoted, is devoid of any context. I said that in the period b/w 1980s -1990s . MQM killed Sindhis and Pashtuns in retaliation. Those killings were necessary to prevent further killings of urdu speaking population. I own that statement and stand by to it.

Besides , you know nothing of internal dynamics of Pakistan(especially Sindh). When one has no knowledge , one should stay quiet and not butt in , lest he humiliates himself.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Those residing in the UK are not real Bengalis. They are mostly Sylhetis who have been the vanguards of Indian hegemony in East Bengal all along. They also play major role in their current ruling class. Most Bengali Muslims are friendly with Pakistan as per my own experience. I still use the name East Bengal anyway which was the initial name during the partition of 1947.

I observed the opposite. Sylhetis are lighter skinned than Bangalis and have similar features to Pakistanis because they have Pashtoon and Punjabi blood. Let's not forget that Sylhet was a part of Assam which was given to East Pakistan. They even now support Pakistan.

That's because many Asians in the UK are innately racist, especially the Pakistani diaspora. They have an allergy against anything dark or what they may perceive as aesthetically unpleasing, thus creating mimicing/derogatory nicknames for that person, he then becomes a kind of outcast in his community.

Bengalis and Pakistanis, both communities are a bunch of bloodsuckers in the UK.

Totally wrong, you have deep insecurities and misconceptions about Pakistanis. This is surprising as you are normally a sensible poster. Maybe you have had some bad experiences.

I have also had experiences with Bangalis who hated me for no reason but that I am Pakistani, but it was drowned out by those who love me as Muslim brother. I won't say all are like this.

Blame the downfall on the administration, those who held opinions such as the rape of non-Muslim & that they are 'deserving' just because they don't follow Islam.

Whatever the rape numbers were, trumped or not, Bangladeshis don't subscribe to it(unless AL). What they do KNOW is that rape occurred and from our Murabbi's accounts who say they Pakistani army were pure OPPORTUNISTS, who didn't mind conducting the degradation of women, girls etc and the mindset they had towards the general Bengali pop, Muslim or not. And the execution of innocent people infront of a Muslim is simply condemnation.

There is no organized rape campaign by Pakistani soldiers, that is just fiction. What actually happened was violence between Biharis/religious Bangalis and pro-independence Bangalis, due to the events like in the OP article.

I think the these happened due to power vacuum created by Pakistan establishment. And also mistakes from BD side
*If AL were kept in confidence there wont be this much debacle.
*The armed forces and Socialists had no authority to declare war. For them people of all side suffered and the consecutive years. And India for initiating this covert war years ahead.
*There was no planning to secede from Pakistan by AL matured leadership. But some section of socialists and young over enthusiast folks. In these days these guys would be known as Yaba baba Also Bhutto wanted to divide power between East and West. This guy was hanged for this reason.
*India was planning for this war, years ahead from 1965. And India was initiating covert war throughout 1971.
*Socialist were going berserk during the 70s in the entire world. It was another global war of west vs socialism. 1 down to west, 1 up for socialists.
*Pakistani leadership failed in the UN to halt the war. Maybe they didnt tried hard or its global conspiracy to break the largest Muslim country. Can be a double game of CIA.
*Biharis should have made naturalized citizens of EP, instead of providing instant citizenship based on migration.
*We in BD deny the cities that were flouring during WP contact. Namely Khulna, Syedpur, Narayanganj. They are in shamble now. And many other projects like Kaptai, Baitul Muqarram Mosque, Mongla, Sangshad Bhaban, National highways, jute mills etc. It reached to a financial height, greater than WP or India. Non Bengalis played huge role in these. If these histories are highlighted there will more respects for non Bengalis during Pakistan time. Absurd stories played against media portrayed a negative picture of the.
*And in Mukti Bahini there were many Indian agents active. How about Hindus. If they had taken revenge for different riots during EP time. And what about Indian agents attacking non Bengalis before 25th March to promote Military action between Bengalis and Pakistanis. Its known that Indian Punjabi soldiers in Pakistani Soldier uniforms were killing Bengalis to create discord in 1971.

Very sensible, neutral, and enlightening post.

There.Your true feelings have been revealed.You're a sanghi masquerading as a Pakistani, aren't you? Hence the obsession with rape & killing of Muslims.Also why you celebrate the killings of Pakistani Muslims.
Of course, I expect nothing more from a gutter trash like you.Here, let me expose your real face to the sane members of this forum.

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What is your purpose for being on this forum?

 

[Old School]

I observed the opposite. Sylhetis are lighter skinned than Bangalis and have similar features to Pakistanis because they have Pashtoon and Punjabi blood. Let's not forget that Sylhet was a part of Assam which was given to East Pakistan. They even now support Pakistan.

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Fare skin means zero, a big zero. It has nothing to do with political orientation. A lot of useless and dumb idiot counties are full of fare skin people. Look no further than our western border.

 

[bluesky]

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You guys should write a book and publish it. Pakistanis must know what happened to biharis..

However, you are not interested to know what the Biharis did to the Bengalis in 1971 with the help of Pakistan Army Jawans.

 

[EasyNow]

JazakALLAH brother, i also apologize on behalf of our people in power too who didnt gave you the rights your people deserved, you fought with us for independent Pakistan, supported the country during 1965 war. Moreover even after 1971 common bengalis support Pakistan stance on Kashmir which is quite amusable.
Mistakes were done from both sides but the most responsible ones were those who held power and they played with lives of millions for their personal gain.



Yes he accepts that racism was done to bengalis specially in Ayub era and he says that Yahya should have handed govt to mujeeb since he won majority in 1970 elections plus he talks about a cyclone bhola which triggerred the bengali uprising.
Well he saw Pakistan army in action mostly kicking *** of indian army even after vastly outnumbered and surrounded from both sides and the in accuracy of IAF to drop bombs on target, he said they tried to bomb ishadi railway station but missed everytime.

Thank you, any first hand accounts of the era are appreciated especially as so many of the witnesses of that time are now gone.

It's not expected that your father would know what the army was up to - who really knows what their army does during a conflict.

I think the these happened due to power vacuum created by Pakistan establishment. And also mistakes from BD side
*If AL were kept in confidence there wont be this much debacle.
*The armed forces and Socialists had no authority to declare war. For them people of all side suffered and the consecutive years. And India for initiating this covert war years ahead.
*There was no planning to secede from Pakistan by AL matured leadership. But some section of socialists and young over enthusiast folks. In these days these guys would be known as Yaba baba Also Bhutto wanted to divide power between East and West. This guy was hanged for this reason.
*India was planning for this war, years ahead from 1965. And India was initiating covert war throughout 1971.
*Socialist were going berserk during the 70s in the entire world. It was another global war of west vs socialism. 1 down to west, 1 up for socialists.
*Pakistani leadership failed in the UN to halt the war. Maybe they didnt tried hard or its global conspiracy to break the largest Muslim country. Can be a double game of CIA.
*Biharis should have made naturalized citizens of EP, instead of providing instant citizenship based on migration.
*We in BD deny the cities that were flouring during WP contact. Namely Khulna, Syedpur, Narayanganj. They are in shamble now. And many other projects like Kaptai, Baitul Muqarram Mosque, Mongla, Sangshad Bhaban, National highways, jute mills etc. It reached to a financial height, greater than WP or India. Non Bengalis played huge role in these. If these histories are highlighted there will more respects for non Bengalis during Pakistan time. Absurd stories played against media portrayed a negative picture of the.
*And in Mukti Bahini there were many Indian agents active. How about Hindus. If they had taken revenge for different riots during EP time. And what about Indian agents attacking non Bengalis before 25th March to promote Military action between Bengalis and Pakistanis. Its known that Indian Punjabi soldiers in Pakistani Soldier uniforms were killing Bengalis to create discord in 1971.

Some might say this is a time-wasting thread. But as we get further from the event, the history gets muddied.

Today people talk as if there was no injustice by the Pak administration at all. Whereas any quick look into the time reveals that it was clear to contemporaries of the time that horrific crimes were being committed on a mass scale.

Several Pak officers resigned officially because of the Pak armies actions. The governor or East Pakistan himself resigned in protest, politicians, journalists, writers and leaders all over Pakistan protested the slaughter at the time. But today it seems like it was all much ado about nothing.



No one is asking for apologies, and no man is guilty of his father's crime. But if you hide the reality of inhuman behaviour - how do you expect people to change? Should leaders be able to commission rape and murder today knowing that it will have no bearing on them?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Fare skin means zero, a big zero. It has nothing to do with political orientation. A lot of useless and dumb idiot counties are full of fare skin people. Look no further than our western border.

Read the points beyond that and why I mentioned skin color, it is because they are mixed with our people. I was making a point there.

 

[EasyNow]

I think the these happened due to power vacuum created by Pakistan establishment. And also mistakes from BD side
*If AL were kept in confidence there wont be this much debacle.
*The armed forces and Socialists had no authority to declare war. For them people of all side suffered and the consecutive years. And India for initiating this covert war years ahead.
*There was no planning to secede from Pakistan by AL matured leadership. But some section of socialists and young over enthusiast folks. In these days these guys would be known as Yaba baba Also Bhutto wanted to divide power between East and West. This guy was hanged for this reason.
*India was planning for this war, years ahead from 1965. And India was initiating covert war throughout 1971.
*Socialist were going berserk during the 70s in the entire world. It was another global war of west vs socialism. 1 down to west, 1 up for socialists.
*Pakistani leadership failed in the UN to halt the war. Maybe they didnt tried hard or its global conspiracy to break the largest Muslim country. Can be a double game of CIA.
*Biharis should have made naturalized citizens of EP, instead of providing instant citizenship based on migration.
*We in BD deny the cities that were flouring during WP contact. Namely Khulna, Syedpur, Narayanganj. They are in shamble now. And many other projects like Kaptai, Baitul Muqarram Mosque, Mongla, Sangshad Bhaban, National highways, jute mills etc. It reached to a financial height, greater than WP or India. Non Bengalis played huge role in these. If these histories are highlighted there will more respects for non Bengalis during Pakistan time. Absurd stories played against media portrayed a negative picture of the.
*And in Mukti Bahini there were many Indian agents active. How about Hindus. If they had taken revenge for different riots during EP time. And what about Indian agents attacking non Bengalis before 25th March to promote Military action between Bengalis and Pakistanis. Its known that Indian Punjabi soldiers in Pakistani Soldier uniforms were killing Bengalis to create discord in 1971.

To be honest, I'm holding back my disgust at your post. They were your government, the works they did were their job. They did it with your money - do you understand that? You're willing to give them a license to do what they want because of that?

If GOB builds 10 sangshad bhabans you will still scream at any crimes they commit. So why the double standards?

And actually, BD was not flourishing at all - there was wide spread poverty and hunger. I don't want to relive it all but don't try to airbrush it away.


Sometimes people think about these things and feel separate from it. Not my people getting killed, not my problem. But it was wrong and any decent person should say it, when something is wrong.

 

[pakpride00090]

To be honest, I'm holding back my disgust at your post. They were your government, the works they did were their job. They did it with your money - do you understand that? You're willing to give them a license to do what they want because of that?

If GOB builds 10 sangshad bhabans you will still scream at any crimes they commit. So why the double standards?

And actually, BD was not flourishing at all - there was wide spread poverty and hunger. I don't want to relive it all but don't try to airbrush it away.


Sometimes people think about these things and feel separate from it. Not my people getting killed, not my problem. But it was wrong and any decent person should say it, when something is wrong.

BD was always a poor state. Even before partition , it was an extremely poor state. British killed millions of bengalis in bengal famine but we didn't observe any such revolts.. Why ? Because british would have taught you bengalis quite a lesson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943#Economic_and_political_effects

Also , Bhopal cyclone preceding 1971 became a beautiful point for mujeeb to rally support from.

Also, if you look the percentage... By the end of 1970. East Pakistan was almost allocated 50% of developmental budget. I am sure , more would have been achieved had Bengalis protested and didn't become at right traitors.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

BD was always a poor state. Even before partition , it was an extremely poor state. British killed millions of bengalis in bengal famine but we didn't observe any such revolts.. Why ? Because british would have taught you bengalis quite a lesson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943#Economic_and_political_effects

Also , Bhopal cyclone preceding 1971 became a beautiful point for mujeeb to rally support from.

Also, if you look the percentage... By the end of 1970. East Pakistan was almost allocated 50% of developmental budget. I am sure , more would have been achieved had Bengalis protested and didn't become at right traitors.

At times the Government of Pakistan has been run by criminals and outright traitors.

Nawaz and Zardari took turns robbing Pakistanis and allowing US and allies to target us as they wanted, they even looked the other way when India did terrorism against us.

Musharraf specifically arrested Pukhtoons and Punjabis, carrying out wishes of US. Sent home all Islamic students from Pakistan, closed madrassas, beat opposition leaders and chased journalists from Pakistan.

Did we ever think to betray our country and backstab our people? Never.

People of Pakistan of all ethnicity, and even in occupied Kashmir, believe so strongly in Pakistan that the whole WoT imposed on us, TTP terror, and Indian occupation and bomb blasts could not dissuade us from supporting Pakistan and our amanat from our ancestors.