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Hindu Terrorism: Arrests, Beatings and Secret Prayers: Inside the Persecution of India’s Christians

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There is no Hindu terrorism.

If there were Hindu terrorism, Muslims and Christian would have disappeared from India and not doubled in population like Indian Muslims.
yes there is no hindu terrorism its just urine soaked dhooti wearing safroni chotyas!
 
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An organized movement armed with a dangerous ideology with certain political goals in mind out to kill certain people to achieve those goals is a terrorists organization imo.
Hindu right wing orgs basically reactive bodies and aren't out kill anyone.
Even during riots, it's regular criminal elements which attack Muslims.

As I said, if there were Hindu terror outfits operating in India to kill Muslims or Christians , then Muslims hundred of thousand crossing over to Pakistan and Bangladesh every year and Christians would line up to do Gharbapsis to Hinduism. You can there is fear of this happening but it has happened in all these years. There must be some reason for it which is innate Hindu tolerance n pluralism.
yes there is no hindu terrorism its just urine soaked dhooti wearing safroni chotyas!
Don't wish for Hindu terrorism as that would mean 10s millions of Indian Muslims entering Pakistan as refugees.
 
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I agree with your statement - but I am yet to meet with a Pakistani Jew, I have met many Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs but not a Jew.
Unfortunately there are only few of them left. They mostly left for Israel. Karachi and Rawalpindi used to have families and muhallas of Jews but they left Pakistan.
 
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Hindu right wing orgs basically reactive bodies and aren't out kill anyone.

ISIS is basically a reactive body and aren't out kill anyone

I guess I understand your problem

Terrorism is so engrained in Hindu society that it isn't taken as terrorism anymore. It is part of life now. Terrorism is your daily part of life

Like a hindu can go out after having a breakfast and lynch someone and then come back to his family like nothing happened. It is a way of life for hindus
 
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Not really, Pakistan made an enemy out of the west by some of their people following Al Qaeda ideology after 9/11 which hates the west. That shouldn't have happened.
o bhaai sb west us din se dushman ban gya thaa jb israel ko tasleem krnay se inkaar kia thaa lol. 9/11 to boht duuuur ki baat hai.
 
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An organized movement armed with a dangerous ideology with certain political goals in mind out to kill certain people to achieve those goals is a terrorists organization imo.
Anyone who kills a person on suspicion or even on eating/selling beef is a terrorist. This is the accepted definition of the terrorism that whoever kills another person due his ideology (political/religious/ethnic) is a terrorist. So yeah people who are lynching muslims in India are terrorists just like TTP who kills people for their ideology.
 
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Hindu right wing orgs basically reactive bodies and aren't out kill anyone
Everyone terrorist groups claims they are victim of some great tragedy/conspiracy so it's not usual to hear Hindu terrorists repeating same mantra.

Even during riots, it's regular criminal elements which attack Muslims.
ofcourse it's just regular criminals and not all Hindus hence why we call those regular criminals terrorists.

As I said, if there were Hindu terror outfits operating in India to kill Muslims or Christians , then Muslims hundred of thousand crossing over to Pakistan and Bangladesh every year and Christians would line up to do Gharbapsis to Hinduism. You can there is fear of this happening but it has
Forget Muslims and christians even Hindus are escaping India in droves, many viraat hindus even prefer to go to Muslim countries then live in India.

Hindu terrorism is very real and it's not even new phenomenon, it's literally been there for centuries.
 
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In India, spl north India, a lot of Christian pastors are fanatical about converting everyone. The poor mostly, they're kind of exploitative about the whole thing, target the poor, hand out freebies to lure people in and so on.

Why don't the Hindus pay the poor more to keep them in Hinduism?
 
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so this justifies the persecution of christian population??????? :crazy:
Not what I was saying. There is a jazba among some of the clergy, an obsession to convert people. Personally I couldn't case less but it does cause friction sometimes.

Pak don't give the missionaries a free run, in fact isn't there a death sentence in place for people who try and convert muslims ?
 
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Pak don't give the missionaries a free run, in fact isn't there a death sentence in place for people who try and convert muslims ?
there is no such law in Pakistan. qadiyanis r doing it in pakistan.
 
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“They want to remove us from society,” a Christian farmer said of Hindu extremists. Rising attacks on Christians are part of a broader shift in India, in which minorities feel less safe.


INDORE, India — The Christians were mid-hymn when the mob kicked in the door.

A swarm of men dressed in saffron poured inside. They jumped onstage and shouted Hindu supremacist slogans. They punched pastors in the head. They threw women to the ground, sending terrified children scuttling under their chairs.

“They kept beating us, pulling out hair,” said Manish David, one of the pastors who was assaulted. “They yelled: ‘What are you doing here? What songs are you singing? What are you trying to do?’”

The attack unfolded on the morning of Jan. 26 at the Satprakashan Sanchar Kendra Christian center in the city of Indore. The police soon arrived, but the officers did not touch the aggressors. Instead, they arrested and jailed the pastors and other church elders, who were still dizzy from getting punched in the head. The Christians were charged with breaking a newly enforced law that targets religious conversions, one that mirrors at least a dozen other measures across the country that have prompted a surge in mob violence against Indian Christians.

Pastor David was not converting anyone, he said. But the organized assault against his church was propelled by a growing anti-Christian hysteria that is spreading across this vast nation, home to one of Asia’s oldest and largest Christian communities, with more than 30 million adherents.


Anti-Christian vigilantes are sweeping through villages, storming churches, burning Christian literature, attacking schools and assaulting worshipers. In many cases, the police and members of India’s governing party are helping them, government documents and dozens of interviews revealed. In church after church, the very act of worship has become dangerous despite constitutional protections for freedom of religion.

To many Hindu extremists, the attacks are justified — a means of preventing religious conversions. To them, the possibility that some Indians, even a relatively small number, would reject Hinduism for Christianity is a threat to their dream of turning India into a pure Hindu nation. Many Christians have become so frightened that they try to pass as Hindu to protect themselves.

“I just don’t get it,” said Abhishek Ninama, a Christian farmer, who stared dejectedly at a rural church stomped apart this year. “What is it that we do that makes them hate us so much?”

The pressure is greatest in central and northern India, where the governing party of Prime Minister Narendra Modi is firmly in control, and where evangelical Christian groups are making inroads among lower-caste Hindus, albeit quietly. Pastors hold clandestine ceremonies at night. They conduct secret baptisms. They pass out audio Bibles that look like little transistor radios so that illiterate farmers can surreptitiously listen to the scripture as they plow their fields.

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A prayer meeting schedule at a house in Bilawar Kalan, in the central state of Madhya Pradesh, in April. Village elders recently instituted a fine for any family that allows Christians in their home.

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Satprakashan Sanchar Kendra, a Christian community center, in Indore, India, in February. It was raided in January by Hindu nationalists with the help of the local police.

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Women participated in a secret night prayer meeting at the home church of a villager in Madhya Pradesh in February. Secrecy puts many Christians in India in a bind.


Since its independence in 1947, India has been the world’s largest experiment in democracy. At times, communal violence, often between Hindus and Muslims, has tested its commitment to religious pluralism, but usually the authorities try, albeit sometimes too slowly, to tamp it down.

The issue of conversions to Christianity from Hinduism is an especially touchy subject, one that has vexed the country for years and even drew in Jawaharlal Nehru, India’s first prime minister, who fiercely guarded India’s secular ideals. In the past few years, Mr. Modi and his Hindu nationalist party have tugged India far to the right, away from what many Indians see as the multicultural foundation Nehru built. The rising attacks on Christians, who make up about 2 percent of the population, are part of a broader shift in India, in which minorities feel less safe.

Mr. Modi is facing increasing international pressure to rein in his supporters and stop the persecution of Muslims and Christians. The United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, a government body, recommended that India be put on its red list for “severe violations of religious freedom” — a charge the Modi administration strongly denied.

But across India, the anti-Christian forces are growing stronger by the day, and they have many faces, including a white-collar army of lawyers and clerks who file legal complaints against Christian organizations. They also devise devastating social boycotts against isolated Christians in remote villages. According to extensive interviews, Hindu nationalists have blocked Christians from community wells, barred them from visiting Hindu homes and ostracized villagers for believing in Jesus. Last year, in one town, they stopped people from gathering on Christmas.

“Christians are being suppressed, discriminated against and persecuted at rising levels like never before in India,” said Matias Perttula, the advocacy director at International Christian Concern, a leading anti-persecution group. “And the attackers run free, every time.”

‘They Want to Remove Us From Society’

Dilip Chouhan sits in an office behind a copy shop in the small central Indian town of Alirajpur, meaty arms folded across his chest. Above him stretches a poster of a tribal warrior. Mr. Chouhan is part of a growing network of anti-Christian muscle.

Just the mention of Christians makes his face pucker, as if he licked a lemon.

“These ‘believers,’” he said, using the term derisively, “they promise all kinds of stuff — motorcycles, TVs, fridges. They work off superstition. They mislead people.”

Mr. Chouhan lives in the central state of Madhya Pradesh, which this year passed an anti-conversion law that carries prison sentences of up to 10 years for any person found guilty of leading illegal conversions, which are vaguely defined. Energized by this law, Mr. Chouhan, 35, and scores of other young Hindu nationalists have stormed a string of churches. Some of the raids were broadcast on the news, including footage of Mr. Chouhan barging into one church with a shotgun on his back.

He said he wore the gun on his back simply out of “fashion,” and a senior police officer in that area said there would be no charges. Instead, as happened with the Indore episode, several pastors in the ransacked churches were jailed on charges of illegal conversions. Police officials declined to share their evidence.

Mr. Chouhan says his group, which uses WhatsApp to plan its raids on upcoming church services, has 5,000 members. It is part of a constellation of Hindu nationalist organizations across the country, including the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, or R.S.S., as well as many members of Mr. Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party, or the B.J.P.

“The B.J.P. is really into this issue, big time,” said Gaurav Tiwari, a party youth leader in Madhya Pradesh.


His B.J.P. comrades in the neighboring state of Chhattisgarh recently conducted several anti-Christian marches during which they belted out: “Converters! Let’s beat them with shoes!” In September, they did exactly that: A throng of young B.J.P. workers from the same chapter barged into a Chhattisgarh police station and hurled shoes at two pastors and beat them up — right in front of police officers.


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Dilip Chouhan is part of a growing network of anti-Christian muscle. Energized by a new anti-conversion law in Madhya Pradesh, he and scores of other Hindu nationalists have stormed churches.

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“They want to remove us from society,” said Sukh Lal Kumre, a threadbare farmer and a Christian, who sat in a field just outside Bilawar Kalan.

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When asked about the social boycott of Christians in Bilawar Kalan, Mesh Lal Chanchal, one of the village’s B.J.P. members, was not apologetic. “We are doing this to coerce them back to society,” he said.


“I slapped that pastor five or six times,” bragged Rahul Rao, a 34-year-old contractor and officer holder of the B.J.P. youth cell. “It was immensely satisfying.”

In this case, police officers have charged Mr. Rao, who was bailed out by other B.J.P. members. But in many cases, the authorities take the mob’s side.

A recently leaked letter, from a top police official in Chhattisgarh to his underlings, reads: “Keep a constant vigil on the activities of Christian missionaries.”

Another leaked document, from a district administrator in Baghpat, in the state of Uttar Pradesh, last year denied Christians the right to celebrate Christmas at a church. And just a few weeks ago, an esteemed Hindu priest presented, in public, with B.J.P. leaders sharing a stage with him, his remedy for those who try to convert others: beheading.

Christians in states such as Kerala and Goa, which have large historic Christian communities, face much less persecution, if any at all.


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This is not just hindu attack against Christians. But Racist upper caste attack on lower caste converting to Christianity to escape caste system. Upper caste fear that after converting lower caste will become more educated and financially independent. This will lead to assertion and revolt. These same upper caste hindus live like a peaceful mouse in Christian and Islamic countries. Hindu religion is made by and for upper caste, OBC SC ST are slaves under Hindu religion. caste system is just clever way to obfuscate it. For upper caste religious conversion is loss of slaves.
 
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