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Highest ever export in goods in the month of October.

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We are energy surplus but lack the distribution and transmission network to utilize all the capacity. Shukriya NS for installing expensive power generation capacity in record time, but didn’t invest in transmission upgrades to carry the energy from Power producers (PP) to industry and consumers.
And oh by the way, all those PPs, including those made under CPEC, need their capacity payments NOW whether we can utilize their energy or not due to lack of transmission capacity.

Aiik wari phir shaaaiir.:bounce::victory:
You do remember the 20-hours of daily loading-shedding back in 2013, don't you with large parts of the textile industry either shut down or moving to other countries?

You do also remember the PML-N Government having to pay nearly half-a-trillion Rupees of the circular debt to the IPPs, don't you?

Tum logon ki thori si bi aqal hoti, to itniya bongiyan na martay.
 
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Lack of electricity.
Lack of electricity.
Lack of electricity.
Lack of roads.
Low quality of products.
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The news of exports increase is great news Alhumdulillah! Inshallah this is the cusp of a take off for Pakistan. In 10 years we will be in totally different place than now. At a growth rate of 17, in 4 years we will be double our current exports. Key will be to maintain that for a few years. At this rate 50 billion exports are 4.11 years away.

As some have mentioned, long term benefits will start to come through also. The extra money for low income families may help with the stunting. Kamyab Jawan program getting bigger for skill enhancement. Electricity prices cheaper and with less impact on forex with more hydro and local coal. Fewer import of cooking oil or palm oil with more local olive oil - takes years to start harvest. Export of our tech services going up and high tech products such as JF 17. Lots and lots of work to be done with head winds but the base has been set after a long time. If I was a smart westerner I would put max money on Pakistan because compared to many other countries we will rise. We have been hamstrung by power woes, terror, corruption, gross incompetence, but inshallah on path up.
 
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The news of exports increase is great news Alhumdulillah! Inshallah this is the cusp of a take off for Pakistan. ...
Alhamdu'lillah, the exports are increasing.

But at what cost?
Rupee has been made worthless, debt has sky rocketed and poverty has increased like never before. Whatever benefit is supposedly gained from increasing exports seems to be wasted elsewhere.

At the moment, it feels like one step forward and two steps back and all the focus is on the one step forward.
The Shaikh Chillis used to claim that $10 billion leaves Pakistan annually.

Since the incompetent PTI Government came to power, I assume this was stopped. But where's the $30 billion then?
 
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Brother, the exchange rate is pretty much at its baseline level of on average 6-7 percent yearly depreciation. The question is why should be accept the 6-7 percent yearly depreciation? Why have we had this for 40 years? what can we do to avoid this the next 40 years?

I am not an economist but my simple mind tells me that if the exchange rate is fixed to a certain amount greater than it should be. Over the long term 5-10 years, exporters will not be thinking of exporting and instead go in import business with focus on consumption. The exchange rate is determined based on dollars in (exports and remittances) versus dollars out (imports plus loan payments). Because on the fixed exchange rate, the imports should go up, especially with economic growth happening while exports would stagnate or even decrease- which they did. (Also since it’s an import based economy inflation should be minimal since all our imports would be cheaper given the over valued exchange rate)

So now as our economy grows we are in a balance of payment crisis burning our reserves to keep the rupee at a certain level. This means now we need more dollars to keep the exchange rate fixed but we can only get dollars through exports organically or through loans. Now nothing wrong with loans to build things in Pakistan which will give back - Tarbela dam has given multiple times it’s loan value back to Pakistan. Issue is if we take loans to keep the rupee pegged, some day in the future we have to pay those loans back. So we go to IMF that forces depreciation to a level and we maintain that.

Over the last 40 years we have kept the rupee fixed and taken pride in the 60 rupee or 100 rupee or whatever. No industry develops because it’s cheaper to import than to produce locally. We have lost out on industrialization. We are per capita one of the worst countries when it comes to exports. But given our planning this makes complete sense.

Compare this to China, google how the US wanted to sanction them in the 90s and 2000 for keeping their currency purposely weak.

This State bank is changing this. They have let a free float rupee while encouraging exports. There are even reports that when the rupee was running at 150, the state bank was actively buying dollars to not allow it to get too strong to hurt exporters. This will certainly lead to inflation over the short term but over the long term what happens. The exact opposite of what I said earliar. The exports will increase, and imports to some extent also(natural). Eventually our economy is able to adapt so it’s more export based so when we grow at 5 percent we don’t go in to a massive CAD and to the IMF. Instead we can grow at 7-8 percent as its export based. Dollars come in more along with remittances. More pressure on rupee to get stronger as opposed to weaker as exports always going up. The economy changing takes time. Exports take long to grow - setting up a factory takes years. The rupee organically gets stronger and not artificially. If anything we artificially keep it weaker to push our exports and force industrialization in our country. What they are doing makes sense to me. Doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results is madness….
 
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But at what cost?
Rupee has been made worthless, debt has sky rocketed and poverty has increased like never before. Whatever benefit is supposedly gained from increasing exports seems to be wasted elsewhere.
Rupee has been made worthless? Khota Biryani overdose.
The Shaikh Chillis used to claim that $10 billion leaves Pakistan annually.

Since the incompetent PTI Government came to power, I assume this was stopped. But where's the $30 billion then?
When those who flunked math start talking about economics.
Brother, the exchange rate is pretty much at its baseline level of on average 6-7 percent yearly depreciation. The question is why should be accept the 6-7 percent yearly depreciation? Why have we had this for 40 years? what can we do to avoid this the next 40 years?

I am not an economist but my simple mind tells me that if the exchange rate is fixed to a certain amount greater than it should be. Over the long term 5-10 years, exporters will not be thinking of exporting and instead go in import business with focus on consumption. The exchange rate is determined based on dollars in (exports and remittances) versus dollars out (imports plus loan payments). Because on the fixed exchange rate, the imports should go up, especially with economic growth happening while exports would stagnate or even decrease- which they did. (Also since it’s an import based economy inflation should be minimal since all our imports would be cheaper given the over valued exchange rate)

So now as our economy grows we are in a balance of payment crisis burning our reserves to keep the rupee at a certain level. This means now we need more dollars to keep the exchange rate fixed but we can only get dollars through exports organically or through loans. Now nothing wrong with loans to build things in Pakistan which will give back - Tarbela dam has given multiple times it’s loan value back to Pakistan. Issue is if we take loans to keep the rupee pegged, some day in the future we have to pay those loans back. So we go to IMF that forces depreciation to a level and we maintain that.

Over the last 40 years we have kept the rupee fixed and taken pride in the 60 rupee or 100 rupee or whatever. No industry develops because it’s cheaper to import than to produce locally. We have lost out on industrialization. We are per capita one of the worst countries when it comes to exports. But given our planning this makes complete sense.

Compare this to China, google how the US wanted to sanction them in the 90s and 2000 for keeping their currency purposely weak.

This State bank is changing this. They have let a free float rupee while encouraging exports. There are even reports that when the rupee was running at 150, the state bank was actively buying dollars to not allow it to get too strong to hurt exporters. This will certainly lead to inflation over the short term but over the long term what happens. The exact opposite of what I said earliar. The exports will increase, and imports to some extent also(natural). Eventually our economy is able to adapt so it’s more export based so when we grow at 5 percent we don’t go in to a massive CAD and to the IMF. Instead we can grow at 7-8 percent as its export based. Dollars come in more along with remittances. More pressure on rupee to get stronger as opposed to weaker as exports always going up. The economy changing takes time. Exports take long to grow - setting up a factory takes years. The rupee organically gets stronger and not artificially. If anything we artificially keep it weaker to push our exports and force industrialization in our country. What they are doing makes sense to me. Doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results is madness….
He is a patwari, not your brother.
 
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Brother, the exchange rate is pretty much at its baseline level of on average 6-7 percent yearly depreciation. The question is why should be accept the 6-7 percent yearly depreciation? Why have we had this for 40 years? what can we do to avoid this the next 40 years?

I am not an economist but my simple mind tells me that if the exchange rate is fixed to a certain amount greater than it should be. Over the long term 5-10 years, exporters will not be thinking of exporting and instead go in import business with focus on consumption. The exchange rate is determined based on dollars in (exports and remittances) versus dollars out (imports plus loan payments). Because on the fixed exchange rate, the imports should go up, especially with economic growth happening while exports would stagnate or even decrease- which they did. (Also since it’s an import based economy inflation should be minimal since all our imports would be cheaper given the over valued exchange rate)

So now as our economy grows we are in a balance of payment crisis burning our reserves to keep the rupee at a certain level. This means now we need more dollars to keep the exchange rate fixed but we can only get dollars through exports organically or through loans. Now nothing wrong with loans to build things in Pakistan which will give back - Tarbela dam has given multiple times it’s loan value back to Pakistan. Issue is if we take loans to keep the rupee pegged, some day in the future we have to pay those loans back. So we go to IMF that forces depreciation to a level and we maintain that.

Over the last 40 years we have kept the rupee fixed and taken pride in the 60 rupee or 100 rupee or whatever. No industry develops because it’s cheaper to import than to produce locally. We have lost out on industrialization. We are per capita one of the worst countries when it comes to exports. But given our planning this makes complete sense.

Compare this to China, google how the US wanted to sanction them in the 90s and 2000 for keeping their currency purposely weak.

This State bank is changing this. They have let a free float rupee while encouraging exports. There are even reports that when the rupee was running at 150, the state bank was actively buying dollars to not allow it to get too strong to hurt exporters. This will certainly lead to inflation over the short term but over the long term what happens. The exact opposite of what I said earliar. The exports will increase, and imports to some extent also(natural). Eventually our economy is able to adapt so it’s more export based so when we grow at 5 percent we don’t go in to a massive CAD and to the IMF. Instead we can grow at 7-8 percent as its export based. Dollars come in more along with remittances. More pressure on rupee to get stronger as opposed to weaker as exports always going up. The economy changing takes time. Exports take long to grow - setting up a factory takes years. The rupee organically gets stronger and not artificially. If anything we artificially keep it weaker to push our exports and force industrialization in our country. What they are doing makes sense to me. Doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results is madness….

People here don't realize that it is natural for currencies of developing countries to depreciate over time against developed countries.

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Do people here see the trend of INR against dollars. During this whole period Indian exports doubled and they maintained macro economic stability.

What we did was fixed rupee to dollar ( just for politics and to control natural inflation artificially) hurting our exports and creating deindustrilization.Furthermore the wealth generation was never there as everything was artificially manipulated instead of following its natural path thus it end up hurting the common man.

When this is reversed the pkr to dollar jumps to its natural trajectory ( the amplitude of which is determined by our macro economic stability, since our exports/productivity to earn dollars barely grew during the last decade the value of rupee depreciated much more than INR against dollar).
 
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We are energy surplus but lack the distribution and transmission network to utilize all the capacity. Shukriya NS for installing expensive power generation capacity in record time, but didn’t invest in transmission upgrades to carry the energy from PP to industry and consumers.
And oh all those PP including CPEC need their capacity payments now whether we can use it or not due to lack of transmission.
Aiik wari phir shaaaiir.
Rupee has been made worthless? Khota Biryani overdose.

When those who flunked math start talking about economics.

He is a patwari, not your brother.

There is a reason why I support castrating all patwaris ….
 
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