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Hidden Travels of the Atomic Bomb

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But still you are unable to back up your claims. What you have posted is russia gave us nuclear power technology not nuclear weapons technology. We are grateful to Russians for establishing the power plants in India and supplying nuclear fuel to run them.

If you say that all these above mentioned help from Soviets was not used by India in her Nuclear Program or make it the other way as this technology cannot be used for Nuclear weapons then i will say we made Our Bomb same like you and all these Chinese Proliferation is based on lies and is baseless as we got the same Technology from China which you got from Russia and as matter of Fact Chinese Tech is also based on Russian tech, So whats the Difference Dude.
 
ever wonder, why Canada's goverment did not have good ties with canada for last 20 years or so. Its because Canada gave india nuclear reactor as a gift and india had told india not to use them to make bombs. Instead india stole the plotonium from the reactor and used toward the nuclear weapons.
 
Canada's Position: No nuclear cooperation with India

India's refusal to sign CTBT worry the world community - potential

conflict and nuclear exchange in South Asia over the Kashmir dispute

Canada has refused to discuss ending a 22-year freeze on nuclear cooperation with India unless it agrees to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty.

The nuclear disarmament issue and India's refusal to accept the treaty are of particular concern to Ottawa. Canada was the first country with the capability to build nuclear weapons but decided against it. However, India used Canadian nuclear technology to build its own explosive device in 1974.

David Van Praagh, an associate professor in the school of journalism at Carleton University, and a former correspondent in India for The Globe and Mail, wrote recently in The Globe and Mail: India derailed the test-ban treaty. Canada helped: "Forty years ago, a well-intentioned but highly naive Canada signed an agreement with India that led to the current blockage of international efforts to control nuclear weapons.

"The agreement on April 28th, 1956, called for the building of India's first nuclear reactor with Canadian technology and aid. It vaguely limited the reactor's use to 'peaceful purposes,' but there were no controls, international or otherwise. The 40-megawatt heavy-water research reactor at Trombay, outside Bombay, went 'critical' (set off its first chain reaction) on July 10th, 1960. India, which last week [August 20th, 1996] vetoed an international treaty banning all nuclear tests, was on its way to becoming a nuclear-weapons power.

"Later, the Indians built a plant adjacent to the experimental reactor to convert spent fuel from it and from much larger Canadian-designed twin power reactors in the western state of Rajasthan into weapons-grade plutonium. On May 18th, 1974, a violent event broke the surface of the Rajasthan desert. India called it a clean 'implosion' of a 'peaceful-nuclear device.' It was a dirty explosion of a warlike nuclear bomb. In a classic case of locking the barn door after the horses have been stolen, Canada cut off nuclear assistance to India.

"...In blocking a comprehensive test ban this year, in refusing to go along with extension of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty last year, India typically seeks to occupy the moral high ground, above that of the recognised nuclear powers . . .

"... India has 60 to 100, according to conservative estimates, though some experts put the number at above 2,000. All these Hiroshima-type bombs have come off an assembly line that started with Canada's gift to India.

"What's more, India has designed a crude hydrogen bomb; and growth in the number of delivery vehicles for its secret nuclear arsenal is steady . . .

"Canadian officials share a growing worldwide worry that a nuclear exchange is more likely in South Asia - the Subcontinent - than in any other part of the world. The danger is unlikely to disappear while troops and police of predominantly Hindu India continue to repress separatists in Kashmir, a Muslim majority state disputed with Pakistan, instead of allowing promised self-determination," The Globe and Mail, August 30th, 1996.

At present, forty-four countries have nuclear power reactors and thus the potential to convert radioactive material into weapons, however, only five countries have openly acknowledged that they possess nuclear-arsenal.

The U. S. President, Mr. Bill Clinton addressing 51st. session of the General Assembly, September 24th, 1996, and immediately after singing the CTBT, said the treaty would create an international norm against nuclear testing even before it formally entered into force.

Mr. Clinton said, "some have complained that it does not mandate total disarmament." I would say to them "do not forsake the benefits of this achievement by ignoring the tremendous progress we have already made in disarmament. Today there are no Russian missiles pointed at the U. S. and no American missiles pointed at Russia." He then asked all countries of the world to sign the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT), declaring that it points towards "a century in which the risks of nuclear weapons can be further reduced."

The Secretary-General, Dr. Boutros Boutros Ghali, while opening the treaty for signature described it as a milestone in making the world safer for generations to come. "We are privileged today to witness a turning point in the history of efforts towards nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation."

The treaty was endorsed by the General Assembly earlier in September after the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva failed to arrive at a consensus.

The AFP reports from New Delhi: India, like Pakistan a "threshold" nuclear state believed to have the ability to build nuclear weapons, argued that the treaty consolidated the dominance of existing nuclear powers, warning India would retain the nuclear option in case it was threatened.

To the outside world, India's stormy relationship with Pakistan, centred around the disputed Kashmir region, has often seemed more potentially explosive.

The two nations, with three wars behind them since independence from British colonial rule in 1947, regularly trade insults over the Kashmir, over terrorist attacks, spying and ** inevitably ** nuclear weapons.

The AFP reports from Islamabad: Pakistan has achieved diplomatic dividends while India stands isolated with the adoption of a global nuclear test ban treaty, officials sources said here Wednesday [September 11th].

"We have protected our interests and Pakistan is not being targeted today by anybody," an official observed. "We are looking good in the eyes of the world community."

The position taken by India at the UN is further proof of its nuclear aims, he said.

The English*language daily The News said Wednesday [September 11th]: "It is plain hypocrisy that India is piling up tactical and strategic nuclear weapons of a wide variety and at the same time preaching the virtues of global nuclear disarmament.

"India now looks to be the black sheep," the newspaper said in an editorial. But it cautioned Pakistan "cannot afford to sit back and relax," stressing there was a "lot of margin" for India to manoeuvre in the next three

years in which the treaty will "hang in the air."

"India, Canada to resume N-talks: the big chill between India and Canada on the nuclear issue appears to have thawed. Following the recent visit to Canada by [India's] External Affairs Minister I. K. Gujral, India and Canada have decided to resume co-operation in peaceful uses of nuclear energy. Speaking to media persons, Gujral said a senior Canadian ex-minister would be visiting India shortly, for discussions to finesse the details and to identify areas where nuclear technology could be applied," The Indian Express, October 16th.

Foreign Affairs spokesperson Mr. John Bell, speaking to Mr. Mushtaq A. Jeelani, executive director of the Kashmiri-Canadian Council (KCC), said that "Canada would not engage in any kind of nuclear co-operation with India, unless India agrees to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty." Reacting over Gujral's statement to the media in New Delhi, "Indian minister can say what he wants to say," Bell said. "If India agrees to sign the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, then maybe that would open the door for discussion."
 
ever wonder, why Canada's goverment did not have good ties with canada for last 20 years or so. Its because Canada gave india nuclear reactor as a gift and india had told india not to use them to make bombs. Instead india stole the plotonium from the reactor and used toward the nuclear weapons.

Yes, but making nuclear weapons is different from enriching the Plutonium.
 
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My dear friend, both are different. Then why India is going to buy nuclear power reactors from Russia, France and US, when it already knows the technology to make nuclear weapons. Why Pakistan is asking for Chasma II nuclear power plants when it already has nuclear weapons technology.

You should understand that both are different technologies. You keep on harping about India getting technology from Soviet from 1974, to make it clear for you, India's nuclear weapons program was started in 1950s.

Thats exactly what i am trying to tell you, listen my friend, Both India and Pakistan got help to make their Nuclear weapons and still Both need help in Civil Nuclear Program as well simple is that, Even Russia got help from USA to make Atomic bomb.

I agree both are different technologies and i quoted about 1974 help from Russia but please go back and read my post again i also mentioned about Russian help in 1950 as well.
 
Why don't you prove it?. From where india got its nuclear know-how?.

OK you tell me, If not from Russia :undecided: and you also don't know from where :disagree: ok then lets Guess

1.) Aliens

2.) Krish

3.) A indian women who gave birth to a Born genius Scientists and he brought a Nuclear bomb along with him :woot:. (Obviously not plausible)

4.) Still a mystery like UFO, Crop Circles and Big Foot ;).

See i m forcing you to think Logically Russians helped India in 1950 to make Atomic bomb and if there is no Media Propaganda about this and there is a Big Propaganda about Chinese help in Pakistani Nuclear program doesn't meant that China gave us atomic bomb as a Gift and India made it on her own WITHOUT any help From Russia.
 
OK you tell me, If not from Russia :undecided: and you also don't know from where :disagree: ok then lets Guess

Instead of writing BS, why don't you give me links that proves that Soviet has helped India with Nuclear weapons (but not nuclear power plants). I know that you don't know, so cut the BS and leave it here.
 
No nation's nuclear programme is completely indigenous but there is a difference in the foreign component.

India gor the basic building blocks from outside and built on that, more like we got the sounding rockets for our space programme and took it to the current state.

Some other countries had a bigger component. Much bigger.

Not that it matters too much. The effects will not be less horrible depending on what was the % of foreign collaboration.
 
Well, for what it is worth to mankind, the US did produce the first fission AND fusion devices on its own. You can't say "the Germans" did it. If you wanted to pick out one nationality or ethnic group that contributed the most key technical insights, it would probably be Jews of both European and American citizenship. It was primarily native-born Americans who contributed the practical knowledge responsible for such things as shaped charges, triggering and fissile material enrichment production. The great advantage the US had in the Manhattan Project effort, and still has in many ways, was its international population. That is, because the US has been able to accept and assimilate people from all over the world, it has been able to assemble some of the best technical development teams ever put together. The "openness" of US society, drawing on talents from people from every country on the planet, is in large measure responsible for US economic and technical achievements. Just look at the countries of origin of all US Nobel laureates, it's like a UN roster.
 
Instead of writing BS, why don't you give me links that proves that Soviet has helped India with Nuclear weapons (but not nuclear power plants). I know that you don't know, so cut the BS and leave it here.

You are getting angry now, I told you to use your logic and here is one more article i hope it will help you and satisfy your EGO and requirement of a PROOF.

India's Back Door to the Atomic Club

Interestingly i found that USA and Canada helped India More than anybody else but when USA and Canada turned their Back to India, Russia came into play and Provided all the Necessary Equipment and technology To India.

India is now importing enriched uranium-reactor fuel under an agreement with the United States. India plans to convert all the plutonium made from that fuel to nuclear weapon status as soon as the plutonium is physically ready, which will be in about six years. Plutonium is the gray metal that made the world's first nuclear explosion and destroyed Nagasaki.

India will make this conversion despite the fact that the U.S. agreement restricts the plutonium to peaceful use. India also plans to convert the two U.S.-supplied power reactors at Tarapur — which are receiving the fuel — from peaceful to military production status at the same time. If these plans succeed, India will be able to shift about 1,800 kilograms of plutonium to military status — enough for 225 atomic bombs.

India justifies all this by arguing that in six years, when the U.S. pledge to supply fuel to the Tarapur reactors ends, all other rights under the trade agreement end as well. This means that the entire stockpile of plutonium made by the reactors will leave international inspection, India's pledge to restrict the plutonium to peaceful use will end, and so will India's obligation not to transfer the plutonium to other countries or groups. India thus hopes to change the U.S. agreement into an option contract for bombs. India would get the bomb simply by performing the agreement to the end. India's argument lacks any legal or plausible basis.

India is also hinting that it may immediately convert about 40 bombs' worth of U.S. and Canadian-origin plutonium from peaceful to military status. The plutonium has been made by the CIRUS reactor, which Canada exported to India in the early 1960s. The United States exported the heavy water (deuterium oxide) needed to run the reactor. This conversion would boost enormously India's military stockpile, which now consists of only six to 10 bombs' worth of plutonium.

This conversion too violates a pledge of peaceful use — which India made to Canada to get the reactor, and to the United States to get the heavy water. After India exploded a bomb in 1974 with the CIRUS reactor's plutonium — which India called a "peaceful nuclear device" — Canada ended nuclear trade with India.

However, Canada has never waived India's right to peaceful use of the plutonium and neither has the United States. India is simply hoping that neither Canada nor the United States will enforce its rights. So far, India has been correct. Neither supplier is demanding that India acknowledge the pledge, nor abandon its plan to violate it.

The United States, Canada and other nuclear suppliers should act now to prevent India from breaking its word. If they don't, the lack of enforcement will create a nuclear proliferation disaster. The additional plutonium will multiply the number of bombs India can make, weaken the credibility of export controls, and cripple the effort to restrain Pakistan.

This is an Old article By Gary Milhollin

The Philadelphia Inquirer
September 29, 1987, p. 22-A
 
Shuuut! do not talk about the USA, England, Canada and commonwealth countries proliferating amongst themselves, It s a top secret.

Please refer to post #27.
 
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