Heavy firing on the LOC - 6 plus Indian Soldiers Killed

[Reichsmarschall]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1327941182190739456

He was the one who gave AbhiNoneDone first aid.

 

[HAIDER]

He was martyred in encounter with terrorists in Waziristan 28 September 2020.

Still Indian funded terrorist.

 

[Vapour]

These duels will occur every year. The prospects of advancing into J&K have been put forward in other threads and different plans have been discussed. I was addressing the concern of protecting AJK civilians from Indian military bombardment but somehow one thing leads to another.
I can see through replies of Indian members that I have already stirred up quite a few nerves here Poor fellows.

I understand that. However, without declaring all out war, it's impractical to be able to clear and hold positions I imagine, so the next best option would be to deny IA their most advantageous positions that they're holding. Was thinking specifically about Neelum Valley, but perhaps that's a step too far without going all in.

 

[HAIDER]

He was the one who gave AbhiNoneDone first aid.

excellent officer ..

 

[Rahil khan]

Pak used heavy artillery on Friday at LoC: IG BSF

Srinagar: Asserting that Pakistan Army used heavy artillery that caused casualties to civilian and security forces in north Kashmir on Friday, a top Border Security Force (BSF) official on Sunday said that issues of human rights violation should be raised against the neighbouring country.
BSF IG Rajesh Mishra said that Pakistani Army also suffered huge losses during the retaliatory action by Indian forces. “In an unprovoked ceasefire violation, Pakistan used heavy artillery to target security force posts and civilian areas in north Kashmir. Security forces suffered loss of lives due to Pak shelling. Lot of harm was also inflicted on civilians, including damage to the property and loss of lives,” Mishra told reporters during a wreath laying ceremony held in Srinagar on Sunday.
Eleven people — including six civilians, four Army soldiers and a BSF Sub Inspector — were killed while several others were injured when Pakistan violated ceasefire by resorting to heavy shelling and firing, targeting multiple forward areas in three north Kashmir districts on Friday. Several residential houses were also damaged in border villages in Kupwara, Baramulla and Bandipora districts.
Answering a question about the details of the damages caused to Pakistani troops by Indian Army in retaliatory action on Friday, he said those details are yet to come. However, he said Pak defences were inflicted a huge blow during the retaliatory action by Indian forces.
The IG BSF said 250 to 300 militants are waiting on launch pads in Pakistan administrated Kashmir (PaK) to sneak into this side of the LoC. But, Mishra said that the anti-infiltration grid along the LoC is on high alert to foil any attempts by militants to sneak into this side. “So far we have been able to foil most of the infiltration bid from PaK. We are certain that any attempt by militants to infiltrate into this side, to create disturbance, will be foiled effectively by the forces,” he added.
About his message to international community over the damages caused to civilians during Pak shelling, he said the issues of human rights violation by Pakistani Army should be raised with the international community.
Paying tribute to the BSF SI, Mr Mishra said that the martyr deserves highest tributes as he fought bravely. “The SI, a 2004 batch recruit, was deployed with the artillery wing of the BSF. We pay tribute to his valor and stand with the family of the martyred jawan,” he added.

Pak used heavy artillery on Friday at LoC: IG BSF

Srinagar: Asserting that Pakistan Army used heavy artillery that caused casualties to civilian and security forces in north Kashmir on Friday, a top Border Secu

thekashmirhorizon.com

I feel those were the same 250 to 300 Mujahedeens which were targeted by IAF Mirages on Feb 2019 in Balakot. We resurrected those freedom fighters so that Indian media would able to satisfy their passive receivers.

 

[arjunk]

So you are telling me, Bharti Mighty Arjunk tank is a guttar full of gobar ????

did somebody call me??

 

[undercover JIX]

did somebody call me??

We are seeing Modi riding on you, so just wanted to know how its going......

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

no wonder Modi had to run and hide far away in a tank.

Only if tanks were that safe nowadays!!! Look at what happened to the top notch Russian tanks in Syria, karabag' etc.!! Now, we're talking about the "cheap" Indians whose tanks lose their transmission, chain etc. after running for a couple of kms...

 

[Mrc]

Modi Bahadur is showing bravery at Longewala, while the firing and shelling is going on at LOC.

How far he has to be from the hot area to show his bravery?

and Mod deleted my post because its of a poor taste. I just stated Indian claims, did not lie.....

Indians turning everything against Islam and Muslims, but they can carry on, and when we tackle them with facts and Mod sees that Indians have no counter for it, thread locked for religious reasons.

Indians can lie and say whatever they want against Islam and Muslims, but we can not even counter them with hard facts and truth.

just stating facts, not complaining, Mods can carry on with with their duties as they see fit.

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The steel on that hatch looks of pretty low quality

 

[undercover JIX]

Only if tanks were that safe nowadays!!! Look at what happened to the top notch Russian tanks in Syria, karabag' etc.!! Now, we're talking about the "cheap" Indians whose tanks lose their transmission, chain etc. after running for a couple of kms...

Modi Bahadur is famous for his stunts and dress shows.
it is safe to do a photo op during peace time in Made in India stuff, otherwise we all know even Indian Mil do not trust their Junk.

Modi is so brave he tooka chance in Made in India Tank, do you understand now? or still doubting at Modi Ji ki bravery.

The steel on that hatch looks of pretty low quality

even if it was plastic toy tank, Indians will still Modi songs...

 

[Inception-06]

This is exactly where India made a huge military blunder. Indian Army underestimated Pakistan Army's deployment and weapons and is now equally involved in paying the price through blood. India wanted a war of attrition on LOC with this false thinking that Pakistani troops will suffer multiple causalities everyday day which Pakistan wont be able to replace due to the brutal logistics measures in the Kashmir terrain. The wounded will fill all the military hospitals and when fresh troops will see a long line of wounded, their morale will hit the ground. It will be tough to keep supply lines open on roads for weapons, ammo and other supplies which are in reach of Indian small arms weapons and artillery. Pakistan Army will not be able to support troops which have to be deployed in far flung mountain tops since helicopters are limited in number and will not find place to land unless open areas or make shift helipads are made. To further ensure that helicopters don't operate at all near LOC, Indian Army put 35mm and other calibres of Anti aircraft artillery.

While the Indian generals were over joyed with such an bold plan, the Pakistani Army punched the Indian Army right in the nose so the Indian Generals can realise their own stupidity !

Pakistan Army plugged the gaps on LOC by bringing strength of numbers through NG battalions (Janbaz or Mujahid ), which are used as defensive forces, while Pakistan Army deployed regular troops to conduct offensive Ops if and when required. The NG troops will provide flanking cover and defend all supply lines when regular Pakistan troops are tasked to go on the offensive. That is double the strength which Indian Army Top brass never imagined when they were planning their misadventures of causing attrition. Further on, a LID was raised and deployed behind FCNA Ops area of LOC.

So instead of suffering losses through a so called " war or attrition", Pakistan raised another 2 x Light Infantry Divisions, which are impossible to raise when a Military formation is suffering losses through attrition.

Next, Pakistan not only started building and manning posts in far flung mountain tops, but got pack howitzers and mortars to fully retaliate when Indian Army uses its heavy weapons. Not only that but PA troops also brought forward stock of ATGMs for direct fire to take out Indian Army bunkers, this was to compliment the SPG-9 and 35mm deployed for providing firepower. Then SSG snipers were deployed to keep taking out enemy stragglers wandering between posts. This is not 65 or 71 that Pakistan cannot make produce own ammo, POF is churning it out. Old stock is being used instead of being wasted.

Engineers started constructing roads, pathways, bridges to make inroads into forward positions. Then bunkers and hardened shelters were made along with medical stations. The depots and dumps were made road accessible. Pakistan RVFC started getting mules from Mona depot and used them extensively to carry supplies in inhospitable terrain of Kashmir. Thousands and thousands of animals were drafted and are still used today in the areas where vehicles or helicopters cannot reach. Pakistan Army increased strength of light and medium helicopters and made helipads in Military hospitals for quick evac. The 130mm guns and other heavy weaponry with ammo was deployed in inhospitable terrain through helicopters.

Wherever Indian Army built a post and deployed troops, Pakistan built a post in front of it on opposite side. This kept Indians in check and they lost space of area to spread and create a surprise. While Indians post hold more troops than Pakistan posts, the defensive posture of both armies ensure that Pakistan Army deploys its fire power accordingly to retaliate to Indian Army firing. Another mistake which Indian generals did was to tell their troops of how weak and undefended Pakistan's side of LOC, the frustration of troops led to suicides in Indian military ranks. This is why false bravado and brain washing through lies is not the best way to deploy troops on front lines. Logistics became a nightmare for Indian Army and a video of Indian soldier surfaced on internet about his rations.

Indian Army has been caught in its own trap and neither can Indian troops advance into AJK without suffering major causalities nor can they leave/withdraw from their current positions. The Indian troops have to withstand pounding of Pakistan Army's small arms fire and Artillery as and when Pakistani troops wish. The Indian Army has to count its dead and send bodies back home. Now the frustrated Indian media wants to match causality numbers due to failure of Indian General's plan.

The rat who tried to act over-smart with vile intentions to inflict damage has been caught in its own trap !

Sir you have written a masterpiece, will print it and hang it on my door for every visiting guest. You should have a job in ISPR or they should publish it. Best regards

 

[Inception-06]

There could be a way to end a part of damage done to civilians of AJK by bombardment of Indian Army. For this Pakistani Military has to plan to extend the LOC further east and north by capturing some strategic points and creating a 5-10 km buffer zone between LOC and AJK population.

1. The first step is to survey which AJK populated areas are continuously affected through Indian bombardment.

2. Mark posts and artillery positions of Indian Army on the maps, which fire at AJK population.

3. To create a buffer zone of 5-10 km, PA would need to carry out an offensive of 5-10 km into J&K and occupy or by pass Indian Army posts. This can obviously create a larger conflict in the region which can lead to full fledged war.

4. Pakistan Army should aim to capture those areas which can be comfortably supplied once captured. This means the DGMO and QMG have to sit together and brain storm for a plausible solution for the long term. Another criteria could be positions where there is less or hardly any J&K population so they can also be kept safe from military damage in the longer run.

5. If the offensive is carried out in J&K on multiple locations, it may seem a full fledged attack from all formations of Pakistan Army deployed on the LOC, but it has its advantages. In kargil war, Indian Army concentrated its manpower and resources in one region and that made it easy to resist infiltration by Pakistani forces. Opening fronts at multiple locations has its disadvantages too since resources of PA will be also be divided. Opening front one by one can also be possible. When one of the planned locations are secured, then start phase-II and start offensive 50 km or so away at a different location.

6. PAF and other paramilitary forces (GB) will be required to get involved so the secrecy that was kept in Kargil war will not be applicable. PAF will be required since after the required areas/peaks are captured, PA troops will need to be protected from IAF bombardment. PAF should also be available to provide ground strike sorties when requested by PA.

7. This Ops will be costly for PA troops even if the objective is to infiltrate a few km, capture and then fortify some locations. Defending all these extended positions will require a continuous supply chain of troops, equipment, weapons, material, ammunition etc.

India will never tolerate such a military step by Pakistan so there are a lot of chances that the matters will escalate to a full fledged war and the International community will pressurise GOP to retreat back to original positions. Pakistan will be in a fix since retreating back would mean internal humiliation from Public who will lose faith in Military and GOP. If Pakistani Army doesn't retreat instead fortify themselves in new positions and supply lines are opened, then the Kashmiris of J&K can have a ray of hope that Pakistan is willing to take practical steps for their liberation from Indian tyranny. When the sentiments of Kashmiri population in J&K are witnessed on ground by PA and reported by commanding officers back to GHQ, then further operations on the lines of Ops Gibraltar can be planned. Previously such sentiments and commitment was not considered in 1965, instead matters were taken as understood which turned out completely incorrect.

India will definitely open a new front in retaliation and the infiltration from Afghanistan/Iran will increase from western border. The damage inside Pakistan through blasts and attacks will increase.

To ensure that the operation succeeds no matter what, Pakistan can take China in confidence and request assistance of weapons and equipment from China stating that CPEC lines will be secured and offense is the best defence. Pakistan should ask for dozens of transport helicopters and thousands of protective/weather resistant military gear for regulars/paramilitary from China (as well as J-10, for lovers of J-10 on this forum, I'm not one of them). Pakistan should not ask China for involving itself militarily in this offensive since USA will then join India citing Chinese active involvement as an excuse. Mere presence of China on LAC would be enough for the time being. A portion of harsh weather military gear that India purchased for troops deployed on LAC will have to diverted to LOC. As soon as the offense starts, Pakistan should notify Turkey, Azerbaijan, Malaysia and other friendly nations that phase-I of an offensive has started to secure homeland from enemy fire and to free oppressed muslims from India.

There is a clear statement by Azerbaijan through which the Karabkh conflict has started, Pakistan can do the same in kashmir if the military top brass and civilian Govt agree to take such a step.

Why you don't love the J-10C?

 

[waz]

Not secretive manners but given the Indian culture, you may have expected a full day Bollywood coverage, a film being released or at-least a new documentary to praise BSF/IA. I am sorry to disappoint you but things works differently in Pakistan and that worth it. Pakistanis don't release item songs, shouting commentators & news anchors calling for Pakistani blood and then Bollywood released a new Rambo cut.


Even Reuters took it back...

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we have already said, that's not Pak Army post. Now their own professionals said so...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1327404254248615936

Notice the Indian posters who were putting up these stupid clips and supporting their claims have all but disappeared. A few more of them are fake as well. These clowns think that an army like the PA construct bunkers which are built as badly as a child's tree house.

 

[Vapour]

'Avalanche':

https://twitter.com/x/status/1328948552949665792

 

[Neurath]

Last year someone was complaining about food supplies, now someone just committed suicide according to Indian media.
RIP Indian Army.
This must hurt for online BJP trolls you know, bragging about their shit all day and then this happens,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1328937957659701249