He wanted to be in IIT, but ended up in IM instead

[JayAtl]

Apart from the Islamophobic comments from the usual suspects... one has to look at the lack of monitoring of such preaching organizations in India.. As I suggested elsewhere, careful monitoring of Muslims education and community organizations is needed along with closer control of the syllabi of seminaries while keeping an eye on Mosque Imams and preachers.

well put. and frankly quite bravely put.

 

[IndoUS]

Apart from the Islamophobic comments from the usual suspects... one has to look at the lack of monitoring of such preaching organizations in India.. As I suggested elsewhere, careful monitoring of Muslims education and community organizations is needed along with closer control of the syllabi of seminaries while keeping an eye on Mosque Imams and preachers.

But then rights group start to cry about breach of religious freedom and personal privacy.

 

[Abingdonboy]

A lot of the new-age terrorists from the West and now India are actually not the typical uneducated ignorant fools. There is a reason here in the UK certain universities are known as "terrorist factories". A lot of the home grown terrorists from the west have degrees and such. The Nigerian underpants bomber went to UCL in London!

 

[SQ8]

But then rights group start to cry about breach of religious freedom and personal privacy.

Are the rights groups important or the future of Indian Muslims.. and India's security as a whole?
Rights groups can be silenced by focusing on the sufi aspect of Indian Muslims and actively funding and supporting it.

 

[anonymus]

Are the rights groups important or the future of Indian Muslims.. and India's security as a whole?
Rights groups can be silenced by focusing on the sufi aspect of Indian Muslims and actively funding and supporting it.

Sufi's are not so much of peace loving people as they made out to be, historically or contemporarily. They have their fair share of violent activities and Hanbali and Hansfi's get blame just because of availability heuristic.


Should i remind you of Chechenya or the "Peaceful" doctrine of naqshbandi branch of Sufism which is even more fundamentalist than hanbali's in theory.

 

[Albatross]

Boo fcking hoo, we don't need such sob stories. Get as much information out as possible and hang the terrorist scum.

Your emotions are understandable but without having a look at the root cause keep on hanging would only start a vicious cycle producing more and more discontent youth ready to explore violence just to vent their frustration.

The root cause in india is denial of equal rights to muslims . I have very patriotic muslims relatives in India who would defend india against Pakistan in our home discussion whenever they visit us here in Pakistan but they do accept discrimination against muslims at all levels ranging from admission to good school,Universities , Civil services ,armed forces and good private jobs .

The reason Indians normally give is Muslims are illiterate so cant have good jobs but this thread is a prove this is not the case . Muslims even if they get good grades are turned down by the elite hindus thus discouraging youth from pursuing education .

India’s Muslims: Growing, and neglected | The Economist
http://[URL='http://www.dignityinst...sequences-for-the-muslim-survivors.aspx][/ur]
http://counterview.org/2013/11/28/c...and-gujarat-is-worse-than-other-communities/]
Educational condition of Muslims in India worse than SC, STs: UK scholar - Indian Express
Just 3% Muslims in Indian Army ( while Indian muslims are 20% of Indian population)

You may get 1000 likes here if you say throw all indian muslims in ganges or indian ocean so that india can be terror free but thats not the solution and I guess India has witnessed it vividly in kashmir .

Steps should be taken to integrate Indian muslims at national level and Fanatics like modi and BJP will only lead india towards disintegration . 20 million strong muslims cant be just made to evaporate in air they are there for centuries (and ruled subcontinent for centuries) and need to be dealt with justice and equality in real manner.

Mere politics or hangings would only make things worse.

 

[SQ8]

Sufi's are not so much of peace loving people as they made out to be, historically or contemporarily. They have their fair share of violent activities and Hanbali and Hansfi's get blame just because of availability heuristic.


Should i remind you of Chechenya or the "Peaceful" doctrine of naqshbandi branch of Sufism which is even more fundamentalist than hanbali's in theory.

Depends on the cause. What is the current state of Sufism in India? Base a program on that.

 

[godofwar]

Damn!
This idiot had opportunity to get good education and help in growing the nation, an opportunity millions of our people in India and in the world will never get.And he kicks it away to become a terrorist.Shame on the mullahs who brainwashed him into throwing his life away.Think about grief his parents must be going through

what a waste of a life!!!

 

[AugenBlick]

Your emotions are understandable but without having a look at the root cause keep on hanging would only start a vicious cycle producing more and more discontent youth ready to explore violence just to vent their frustration.

The root cause in india is denial of equal rights to muslims . I have very patriotic muslims relatives in India who would defend india against Pakistan in our home discussion whenever they visit us here in Pakistan but they do accept discrimination against muslims at all levels ranging from admission to good school,Universities , Civil services ,armed forces and good private jobs .

The reason Indians normally give is Muslims are illiterate so cant have good jobs but this thread is a prove this is not the case . Muslims even if they get good grades are turned down by the elite hindus thus discouraging youth from pursuing education .

India’s Muslims: Growing, and neglected | The Economist
http://[URL='http://www.dignityinst...sequences-for-the-muslim-survivors.aspx][/ur]
http://counterview.org/2013/11/28/c...and-gujarat-is-worse-than-other-communities/]
Educational condition of Muslims in India worse than SC, STs: UK scholar - Indian Express
Just 3% Muslims in Indian Army ( while Indian muslims are 20% of Indian population)

You may get 1000 likes here if you say throw all indian muslims in ganges or indian ocean so that india can be terror free but thats not the solution and I guess India has witnessed it vividly in kashmir .

Steps should be taken to integrate Indian muslims at national level and Fanatics like modi and BJP will only lead india towards disintegration . 20 million strong muslims cant be just made to evaporate in air they are there for centuries (and ruled subcontinent for centuries) and need to be dealt with justice and equality in real manner.

Mere politics or hangings would only make things worse.

Dear lots of people are denied justice in India , not just muslims. I don't see them blowing them selves up. Every time something like this happens , the first response is appeasement. Give them rights, give them privileges etc. It is as if all muslims are cattle that have no power to think on their own. There is something wrong with the way Islam is practiced in the sub continent because no other religion is blowing its followers up. No other religion has shown this much intolerance worldwide.

 

[PoKeMon]

LoL
You today killed a women because she was not allowing you to have sex with her.
That night, you go to your place of worship and ask for forgiveness to the god.

Next day again you kill a man because he was trying to save his monthly salary from you which was just cashed from ATM.
Again you go to your place of worship to ask god for forgiveness and this goes on.

You cannot sin all the time by having this in your mind that god will always forgive you whatever you do on earth.

Neither you can do sins all time thinking God will praise you and give you jannat with lot other goodies.

 

[HRK]

BHai kya bo raha hai samaj m nahi a raha hai??

good question we are still trying to figure out what Iqbal said ......

 

[Janmejay]

good question we are still trying to figure out what Iqbal said ......

WO!! Both your signature and avatar is

 

[Roybot]

Your emotions are understandable but without having a look at the root cause keep on hanging would only start a vicious cycle producing more and more discontent youth ready to explore violence just to vent their frustration.

The root cause in india is denial of equal rights to muslims . I have very patriotic muslims relatives in India who would defend india against Pakistan in our home discussion whenever they visit us here in Pakistan but they do accept discrimination against muslims at all levels ranging from admission to good school,Universities , Civil services ,armed forces and good private jobs .

There is no justification for killing of innocent civilians. You can't reason with these people. Your government is trying to reason and compromise with TTP lemme know how has that been working out for you. China on the other hand has got it right, and that is the only way to deal with the issue.

And please your anecdotal examples hold no value. We live with our Muslim counterparts and we know how much "discrimination" they face. And even if we were to believe your examples, there are other avenues to make themselves heard. With their population increasing over the years, they now have a very strong say in whatever goes on in India, they have the power of vote, they are the king makers in many constituencies and states. Thats the normal civilized way of addressing the issue if there is one, use the ballot to raise your issues and get it addressed, not bullets, not suicide jackets.

Don't try to justify everything a Muslim does. Mind you its only a tiny fraction of Muslims involved in these terrorist activities, but by justifying such acts you make every Muslim look bad.

 

[anonymus]

Depends on the cause. What is the current state of Sufism in India? Base a program on that.

In India, not even Sufi's but also deobandi's are peaceful at communal level ( barring hate propaganda and terrorism ) . If you are outnumbered 9:1 in a conflict, there is not much you can do except remaining peaceful.

I am talking about global situation. There are far more Sufi terrorists than there are wahabi terrorists. Sufism is prevalent in Chechnya, a large supply center of terrorists and also in Central Asia where Uzbeks are numero uno jihadis and never to forget Barelvis community from which Gems like mumtaz qadari hailed.

The point to any neutral observer, outside the fold of Islam, is clear. The bad press that Hanbali's ( wahabi's) get is undeserved as they are outnumbered by Sufi's in propagation of terrorism.

 

[anyrandom]

They are peaceful only as long as they are in minority or until 30%. As soon as they cross this mark they start showing their true nature by subjugating non-muslims. Be it Iran,Afghanistan,Saudi Arabia,Chechanya,Bangladesh etc etc the examples are abound.
While in non-muslim countries they demand equal rights, no non-muslim in muslim country gets any right.