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T-Faz

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A brief background for some unfamiliar members here.

The Hathora group was a violent yet unknown group of a sizable number which terrorized Pakistan in the mid 80's. Though referred to as the 'Mini' Hathora Group, one similar group precedes it. The group used to smash victims with a hammer (hathora), killing or maiming them in the attack.

Even though I was born after the said group was terrorizing our country, the fear of it was kept alive and well by rumors and the printed press which usually cashes in on such incidents.

The eighties was the begging of our current predicament and the following Gallup poll shows the opinions of people which are similar to ones found today.

The myth of an external hand, foreign power or agents was starting to seep into the psyche of people which haunts the nation to this day, rendering reality ineffective.

Oddly enough the cases were never solved and no member of the Hathora group captured or prosecuted (I am not so sure, maybe someone can elaborate on it). There might have been some investigation but the facts not known to me.

Enjoy the views in this brief and unfortunately amusing poll.

http://www.gallup.com.pk/Polls/28--12-1985.pdf
 
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The myth of an external hand, foreign power or agents was starting to seep into the psyche of people which haunts the nation to this day, rendering reality ineffective.
T-Faz yaar ... what is reason behind this kind of thinking ? what is source of origin ?

And I am surprised that in 80's India was not that bad for Pakistani people .. ( only 2 % believed that India can do such a thing)
 
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T-Faz yaar ... what is reason behind this kind of thinking ? what is source of origin ?

And I am surprised that in 80's India was not that bad for Pakistani people .. ( only 2 % believed that India can do such a thing)

During the late 70's and 80's, the unpopular regime of the time used mass public propaganda to great effect.

It rendered the public opinion ineffective by using propaganda and manipulating tools to dupe the general public.

The systemic campaign was so intense that all and one were negatively effected by it.

India was not really thought of an accomplice in many incidents, even today only a small section would point towards India. USSR back then was what USA is today, the detailed list of stated suspects in the list are the usual suspects.

Here is an excellent write up that details the Zia propaganda tool and how it was used to alter public perception of things.


IT FELL FROM THE HEAVENS

Recently religious programming on TV channels has come under scrutiny for various reasons. One of the biggest concerns is how some of these programmes have gone on to advocate violence against so-called minority sects and religions, and the way they use obscure traditions and biased interpretations of the scriptures to deride certain events and personalities.


Though both sides of the main sectarian divide (the ‘Barelvi’ and the Salafi/Deobandi) are given equal space on the channels, unfortunately, the preachers and TV hosts of both the sides have usually taken extreme positions on various issues. This includes exhibiting animated armchair radicalism by indirectly siding with monsters such as the Taliban and scoffing at the concept of democracy and liberal Islam, attacking them as misguided constructs worthy only of ridicule.

But the proliferation of conservative and at times rather demagogic religious shows on television is not exactly a new phenomenon. Its roots lie in the sudden growth of religious programming on the state-owned PTV from 1979 onwards, or two years after General Ziaul Haq’s intransigent military dictatorship started to find some firm footing following the toppling of a democratically elected government in 1977. According to a former PTV man Burhanudin Hasan’s book, ‘Uncensored’ (2000), there was almost a three-fold growth in religious programming on PTV in the 1980s.

This kind of programming was mostly sculpted to propagate the Zia regime’s Islamic credentials and laws, and to also justify and glorify the concept of armed jihad in the wake of Pakistan’s involvement in the anti-Soviet manoeuvres of the (US/ISI-backed) Afghan mujahideen. But is it possible to pinpoint an exact moment that triggered the whole trend of politically-motivated religious programming in Pakistan? It seems there is.

In July 1979, America’s National Aeronautics and Space Administration (Nasa) announced that its ‘Skylab’ satellite that had been orbiting the planet since 1973 had developed a fault and was expected to fall to Earth. Nasa was not sure exactly where it would crash, but experts believed that the burly satellite was likely to fall either over Australia or over the Indian subcontinent. Though the same experts also stated that the satellite would start burning after it entered Earth’s atmosphere and most probably end up in the sea, the story took a life of its own in Pakistan.

PTV started running regular bulletins on the latest whereabouts of Skylab, usually read by Azhar Lodhi — a newscaster who would go on to become a ubiquitous presence on PTV across the Zia years. Lodhi maintained a sombre tone in the bulletins, and then started to punctuate them with equally sombre pleas for urgent prayers. Suddenly, most Pakistanis who till then had taken the affair lightly began using apocalyptic overtones while speaking (to PTV and newsmen) about the event. Many even went to the extent of wondering whether the fall of Skylab (on Pakistan) may announce the beginning of the Day of Judgment.

A tense strain of fear cut across society. It was as if the Zia regime was purposefully using the occasion (and TV) to instil fear into people’s minds by allowing Lodhi to use an apocalyptic tone, sermons and pleas for prayers, perhaps alluding that in such a testing hour Pakistan required a pious and Islamic regime (which, of course, the dictatorship was pretending to be). Interestingly, in those days, more Pakistanis visited Sufi shrines than mosques, with much of the urban populace going to the mosques only on special occasions such as Eid and sometimes for the Friday prayer.

However, with Zia’s Islamic laws coming into force, many Pakistanis saw themselves being led (mostly by fear) to the mosque as Lodhi continued to dramatically announce the closing in of the falling Skylab. It eventually fell on July 12, 1979, over the ocean and the deserts of Australia, and once the feared day did not come, the episode was forgotten but the apocalyptic outlook that it had triggered lingered. This grim point of view worked well for the Zia dictatorship to intensify its ‘Islamic’ manoeuvres and appeal, in which religious programming played an important role.

Interestingly though, the number of religious programmes actually fell after Zia’s death in 1988. But with the emergence and success of new, more modern sounding — albeit equally conservative and traditionalist — preachers in various urban drawing rooms from 1995 onwards, the new trend was picked up by various TV channels that erupted in the early 2000s.

What we see today on these channels as religious shows is directly linked to the said trend, but this trend’s roots too lie in that bizarre Skylab incident that first triggered and shaped the kind of conservative and alarmist mindset required for such programming to flourish.

It fell from the heavens The Nadeem F. Paracha Work(s) Archive
 
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well pointed ... this is how the estabilishment started their campaign of fear and confusion , as far as the criminals are concerned TFAZ bhai ajj tak hamaray pehlay PM kay qatilon ka kuch nahi pata tu hathora group is a forgoten story
 
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well pointed ... this is how the estabilishment started their campaign of fear and confusion , as far as the criminals are concerned TFAZ bhai ajj tak hamaray pehlay PM kay qatilon ka kuch nahi pata tu hathora group is a forgoten story

There are many unsolved mysteries in our history.

  1. The ambulance without adequare petrol sent for Jinnah when he was dying.
  2. Liaqat Ali Khans Assasination.
  3. The plane crash involving Gen. Iftikhar Khan and Sher Ali.
  4. Daultana's motives to dislodge PM Nazimudin through th3 53 agitations.
  5. etc

Many things remain unsolved and a point of further scrutiny.
 
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T-Faz thanks for bringing this up, agreed in retrospect there are many things that still boggle the mind. Excellent thread i hope more will comment on this. Would be very enlightening.
 
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foreign hands have always been intermingled in Pakistan due to its strategic location..the colonial powers feared a communist soviet allied India so approving Pakistan was their necessity but in a sense of a puppet country. Its aspirational leaders were hard to digest particularly for the fascist crown!
 
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I don't know about conspiracy theories or national threat etc.

But something similar happen in India and a movie was made on the same true story in India.


stoneman_murders_xlg.jpg


the-stoneman-murders-wallpaper-450x282.jpg


the-stone-man-murders-movie.jpg


0e770_12022009093507_1.jpg
 
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There are many unsolved mysteries in our history.

  1. The ambulance without adequare petrol sent for Jinnah when he was dying.
  2. Liaqat Ali Khans Assasination.
  3. The plane crash involving Gen. Iftikhar Khan and Sher Ali.
  4. Daultana's motives to dislodge PM Nazimudin through th3 53 agitations.
  5. etc

Many things remain unsolved and a point of further scrutiny.

All those cases are unsolved which involved CIA role.

A declassified document from the US State Department brings to light some interesting facts.

UK was pressing Pakistan for support on the issue of Iran, the US demanded Pakistan use its influence in Tehran and persuade it to transfer control of its oil fields to the US.

Liaquat Ali Khan declined to accede to the request. “The US then threatened to annul the secret pact on Kashmir (between Pakistan and the US). Liaquat replied that Pakistan has annexed half of Kashmir without American support and would be able to take the other half too.”Not only that, Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan also demanded that the US vacate air bases in Pakistan.

“Liaquat’s demand was a bombshell for Washington. Americans who had been dreaming of conquering Soviet Russia from Pakistan air bases were flabbergasted,” the article emphasized. And hence the plot to kill Liaquat was hatched, says the article.


US wanted a Muslim assassin, so as to obviate international complications.The US could not find a traitor in Pakistan
The assassin was an Afghan.
The type of bullet used to kill the Pakistani prime minister were in “use by high-ranking American officers”, and were “not usually available in the market”
You can read the full article here.

Declassified Papers Shed Light on US Role in Liaquat’s Murder

You can see the importance of Pakistan and A'stan in great games, almost same situation after 60 years. US needs Pakistan for their objectives and CIA 3000 Afghan contractors and TTP assassins killing Pakistani's.
 
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I don't know about conspiracy theories or national threat etc.

But something similar happen in India and a movie was made on the same true story in India.


stoneman_murders_xlg.jpg


the-stoneman-murders-wallpaper-450x282.jpg


the-stone-man-murders-movie.jpg


0e770_12022009093507_1.jpg

No offence but please can we keep this about PAKISTAN, thank you,.
 
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No offence but please can we keep this about PAKISTAN, thank you,.

Surely.

But, as the thread itself mentioned India as someone behind :rolleyes: that so i have posted.

Also, just see the date The stone men incidents was "1983" about the same time as pakistan.
 
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Surely.

But, as the thread itself mentioned India as someone behind :rolleyes: that so i have posted.

Also, just see the date The stone men incidents was "1983" about the same time as pakistan.

Regardless this is about events in Pakistan. Lets stick to Pakistan, i would highly appreciate it.

Many thanks.
 
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Thanks for providing this.

These type of stories were popular the world over. Sylvester Stallone's film 'Cobra', also used a similar villainous group. It was based on a popular book as I recall. I remember the popular Urdu newspaper 'Jang' publishing all such stories, which were basically copies of American conspiracy/gossip columns.

My grandmother was always worried about HIV pin prick attack in the 90s, which she read in 'Jang'. It was a hoax started in America, but spread the world over by local media.
 
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